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Can I Vent? | 150 comments (150 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Can I Vent? (none / 0)

I'm not really saying Obama is a personal coward--maybe you're right that it's human nature to expect a human to put stand up to a military. But other leaders throughout time have done so at great risk to their personal liberty. I see no evidence Obama is willing to take on the U.S. war machine--either covertly or overtly.

But, as a practical matter, if there really is a military junta running the U.S. that will assassinate a president for, say, letting gays in the military or stopping a war here or there (and while not generally prone to conspiracy theories--I'm open to this possibility) then it seems to me that Obama has a duty to do all he can to minimize this power and to inform the American people in any way he can of this fact.

But at every small step Obama has done the bidding of the generals and warmongers.

If he really was trying to "change things from the inside" I see no evidence of any sort of plan, clever or not, of making this happen. Quite the contrary in fact.

But the best we can do is to hold politicians accountable. Obama made noises about limiting our warmongering and has broken these promises. Whereas the two candidates that did promise radical change, Kucinich and Paul, seemed more than willing to challenge this uncomfortable fact and seems to me they are just as likely, or even more likely, to follow through on their promises than Obama was.

Why not elect a president that is willing to openly challenge the status quo rather than one that does the bidding of the status quo but promises to work from the inside to ameliorate the negative consequences and maybe, someday, do something about it (and you know I think that's a bunch of baloney to even believe this is Obama's goal)?

Why should we care about Obama. If a truly peaceful president would be assassinated then we need to see that happen. We can't be afraid to vote for peace because a secret junta may or may not exist. That's terrorism.

by SFHawkguy on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 02:32:33 PM EST
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Re: Can I Vent? (none / 0)

I've already seen that happen.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 07:45:23 PM EST
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Re: Can I Vent? (none / 0)

Do you have any book recommendations on the subject?

I was very interested in the subject while I was in High School and I read a number of books but it's been a long time and would like to revisit it.

Still. Granting your conclusion . . . giving in to the terrorists that would assassinate a president is not the answer either.

We don't just give up and elect puppets and make excuses for puppets because of the danger.

We find brave women and men who will stand up to this tyranny and hold them accountable. Like I noted, the only people have come close recently are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.

If a president feels their life is threatened they need to reveal it to the people. Maybe Bill Clinton can confess via YouTube on his death about this and the JFK assisination--he can put it in his will or something--in a message to the American people.

You get my drift. Some things can be done to fight this tyranny.

All I see is complete acquiescence and excuses.

by SFHawkguy on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 08:04:17 PM EST
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Re: Can I Vent? (none / 0)

Best single book is Jim Douglass' "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Was Killed and Why it Matters". I'm sick or I'd say more.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:56:33 AM EST
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Re: Can I Vent? (none / 0)

Look how close Kucinich and Paul got to being elected too. Just missed it by a hair.

I call the kind people who scream out this crap the worse than Bleacher bums at the ball park. Bleacher bums for the post part show their fast, carry a wallet. Have an id.

Blogger Bleacher Bums hide behind anonymous names. Make nutty assertions and expect people to take them seriously.

You should start the National Association of Blogger Bleacher Bums.(NNBBB) No real names are needed. No physical meetings occur. No dues are paid. No fear. It's a new kind of activism. The brave in your face activist armed with unassailable facts and logic is so 1960s.

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by DBurn (donb at theimagefactory.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:23:31 PM EST
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