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On Afghanistan | 19 comments (19 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: What to do? (none / 0)

Yes, it is a false memory. There was no threat to US national security as a result of the nineteen men with box cutters who trained in the US according to a plot hatched in Germany. Are you afraid, very afraid? In any case studies have shown that military operations exacerbate terrorism, not lessen it.

In any case, you are off-topic in refusing a dialogue on the topic which is indeed COIN, and which is now being transformed (yet again) into nation-building, this tine in a nation that won't be built.

Why do you call this a "progressive community", by the way, and not more accurately neo-liberal and pro-Democratic, of the DLC variety?

by Don Bacon on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 08:31:23 PM EST
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Re: What to do? (none / 0)

I can't really think of a bigger threat to our national security than having someone target the Pentagon and try to decapitate our government while bringing Wall Street to its knees. That kind of defines non-nuclear threats to national security at the highest level.

by BooMan on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 10:20:33 AM EST
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Re: What to do? (none / 0)

Remember that the 9/11 Hamburg Cell originally wanted to fight the Russians, but were flipped.

The available evidence indicates that in 1999, Atta, Binalshibh, Shehhi, and Jarrah decided to fight in Chechnya against the Russians. According to Binalshibh, a chance meeting on a train in Germany caused the group to travel to Afghanistan instead.An individual named Khalid al Masri approached Binalshibh and Shehhi (because they were Arabs with beards,Binalshibh thinks) and struck up a conversation about jihad in Chechnya.When they later called Masri and expressed interest in going to Chechnya, he told them to contact Abu Musab in Duisburg, Germany. Abu Musab turned out to be Mohamedou Ould Slahi, a significant al Qaeda operative who, even then, was well known to U.S.and German intelligence,though neither government apparently knew he was operating in Germany in late 1999.When telephoned by Binalshibh and Shehhi, Slahi reportedly invited these promising recruits to come see him in Duisburg.89
Binalshibh, Shehhi, and Jarrah made the trip. When they arrived, Slahi explained that it was difficult to get to Chechnya at that time because many travelers were being detained in Georgia. He recommended they go to Afghanistan instead, where they could train for jihad before traveling onward to Chechnya. Slahi instructed them to obtain Pakistani visas and then return to him for further directions on how to reach Afghanistan.
Although Atta did not attend the meeting, he joined in the plan with the other three. After obtaining the necessary visas, they received Slahi's final instructions on how to travel to Karachi and then Quetta, where they were to contact someone named Umar al Masri at the Taliban office.90

They received their indoctrination there (for suicide missions) and only received their pilot training in the United States.

by BooMan on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 10:40:18 AM EST
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