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Obama's Fiscal Responsibility Summit | 19 comments (19 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: ok I'll bite (none / 0)

okay. Let's go with what you're saying because I agree with it about 99%.

The fact is that there are somewhere over 200 Republican members of the House and Senate and that you will find some of them are interested in special education, some in ending foreign adventures, some in funding cancer research, some in funding stem-cell research, etc.

So, you identify those commonalities and exploit them.

The example I used, though, was when a representative of a specific district has some distinctive, localized knowledge. Perhaps they understand the issue of lack of broadband access, or the devastating effects some piece of legislation will have on certain local economies.

It's non-partisan knowledge. And it can used to make better laws.

by BooMan on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 09:47:25 AM EST
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Re: ok I'll bite (none / 0)

I realized I read your question wrong.

You stated "we all have to learn from this just as much as the Republicans do", and i read this as the "we have stuff we can learn from the GOP."

that's the problem with not enough coffee in the morning.

So as long as we're talking about playing nice with the gop as a strategy to split and weaken them further, i agree. However, if the president really means that "the majority has to be inclusive. On the other hand, the minority has to be constructive", I disagree 100%.

the majority does not HAVE to be inclusive. they can be if they want to be, but there is no requirement that they be this way. I would prefer that, for the time being, they NOT be inclusive, on many topics. being "inclusive" watered down an already weak stimulus bill, and still didn't get any GOP votes (yeah, yeah 3 in the senate, bug whoop).

Furthermore, it's the minority's JOB to be obstructive, and i wish the democrats had done more of this when they were in the minority. There's a rteason it's called the "loyal OPPOSITION."

I've lived through 8 years of republican majority rule, and since the 1990s with solid gop majorities in the senate and the house. I'm not particularly interested in including their stupid, wasteful, and obsolete ideas.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 10:20:06 AM EST
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Re: ok I'll bite (none / 0)

Two things:

First, read Obama's blockquote again. What is he really saying? Is it at all different from what you're saying? I would say, only in tone and temperament. Substantively, he's flat-out saying that there are philosophical differences between the parties and that the majority's philosophy is going to prevail unless the minority can block it.

At the same time, look at what I am saying in the last paragraph. I am saying that you and I are jaded by years of severe political polarization and what we see as Republican bad faith (including so far in this Congress). We see Obama reaching out and holding a party for fiscal responsibility and we get concerned that he's getting ready to sell us out or gut our Social Security. But, we're suffering from the scars of combat every bit as much as the Republicans. Obama is asking us to trust his approach, but it isn't easy to take his approach as sincere or wise or constructive because we have no faith in Republicans.

But these two concepts together and keep them tightly entwined, and you'll get what I'm trying to communicate.

by BooMan on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 10:33:24 AM EST
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Re: ok I'll bite (none / 0)

"I am saying that you and I are jaded by years of severe political polarization and what we see as Republican bad faith"

so what you're saying is this is all a matter of perception on my/our part? What we "see" as "republican bad faith" is actually something else?

well, then what is this something else that i am obviously missing.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 12:40:49 PM EST
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Re: ok I'll bite (none / 0)

What I'm saying is that we have no faith that anything of value can come from 'working with Republicans'. That's based on actual experience, not mere perceptions. It's not a dumb theory, but hard-won wisdom.

But, things do change.

by BooMan on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 12:55:44 PM EST
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Re: ok I'll bite (none / 0)

OK, I think i gotcha.

but now I'm confused: on several issues in the recent past, democrats and republicans have worked on good legislation together, such as obama and lugar's nonproliferation work. And as long as bipartisan isn't just a euphemism for "do as the gop says" I'm ok with workign together (the congress and senate are supposed to be where deals are made).

but i honestly don't think the gop will go along with that. did you see these comments from Steele, suggesting "retribution" against republicans like specter and nsowe for voting in favor of the stimulus?

not sure how that'll play out.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 01:18:28 PM EST
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ok I'll bite (none / 0)

steele's a fucking idiot. since snowe isn't up for re-election until 2012, and collins was just re-elected, l' sure they're shaking in the prada's.

l hope he keeps it up. maybe the d's can finally get snow to change parties, get franken seated, then tell the RAT's to go bugger themselves.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Tue Feb 24th, 2009 at 02:47:40 PM EST
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