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I supported (voted for):

Kerry   46 votes - 25 %
Sharpton   1 vote - 0 %
Mosely-Braun   0 votes - 0 %
Kucinich   22 votes - 12 %
Dean   68 votes - 37 %
Gephardt   0 votes - 0 %
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other   6 votes - 3 %
 
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Clark would have been my second choice, but he was out before Dean.

I came to wholeheartedly support Kerry.  I still think he would have been a great president, and I'm irritated at all the Kerry-slamming since the election.  I think the fatal flaw was our lack of party structure, not his campaign.  We should be organized enough to elect anyone - as the other side is and does.  

by ScientistMom in NY (km_ny(at)speakeasy(dot)net) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:29:42 PM EST
I really liked his intelligence over the issues. This guy did not go after an issue by reading the newspapers, he actually spent times researching the issue, was open enough to realize the several approaches to an issue and then decide what coarse to take. I admire that in any leader, Kerry included. I also found myself changing my opinion despite the media's loving guidance, of how I choose a president.
Don't care how he looks, don't care if he's not the "best" speaker(body language,etc,.) and don't care if he doesn't like beer!
by nicky on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 08:37:35 PM EST
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I thought Kerry was a solid, intelligent choice.  I just wish he'd made some more noise about election fraud and verifying results.
by E Vill Judy on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 09:08:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As I told someone before the election, "We don't need a perfect candidate, we need a perfect campaign."
by pacifica on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 12:44:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Fraud caused most of the loss- lets not forget that!

"Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."
by roseeriter (roseeriter@yahoo.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 01:05:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have said before and I say again, I will support our nominee, whomever he or she may be.

That said, I am hoping for General Clark, perhaps because I believe he could take Texas and remake the red map blue.

I saw Senator Kerry here in Austin recently and felt energized by him.  I am looking forward to hearing Governor Dean in two weeks at DemFest.  

We have to all fight on the same team if we are ever going to prevail.

Logic and an open mind are more useful than common sense.

by Othniel (randrews6@austin.rr.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:35:39 PM EST
Yeah - the only reason I think Clark could win a red state is becuase maybe, just maybe (putting on flame suit) he is a Republican.....

Seriously, he's a military guy who never did anything political or expoused any beliefs until he was "drafted" to run - and the people who loved him were the most serious ABB types - they were willing to take anyone who wasn't Bush.

Anyways, I'm sure that I'll be exiled from the group now, and my mojo will be perminently shot.....but I didn't mean it personally - I just never got a solid sense from Wesley that he had a solid political philosophy - and I definitely caught a whif of opportunism in his declaring himself a "D" for his run.

Of course, maybe I'm just saying all this because I was a Dean staffer, and felt that Clark's run could've been a serious problem for us...

Seriously, I'm usually much more constructive than this.  Please be gentle...

More trite smarmy snark can be found at willisreed.blogspot.com

by willisreed (willisreed@comcast.net) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:47:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'd still vote for, and probably even work for, Clark if he had received the nomination.

Hell, I would've voted for any living breathing non-Bush entity in the last election if it would've made this nightmare end.

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by willisreed (willisreed@comcast.net) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:22:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I liked Clark, but by the time California's primary rolled around, he'd dropped out, so of course I voted for Kerry (and I agree with many posters that the guy has gotten a bad rap. Running for president has got to be one of the toughest processes out there, in terms of how it magnifies one's flaws and distorts one's strengths).

But I think Clark has a lot of heart and promise. Did anyone see his speech at the convention? He rocked! And I am not someone who goes for the whole flag and country speech, but I'll tell you, he had me going.

My heart, however, still belongs to Big Al Gore, whose speeches over the last 2 1/2 years have been consistently brilliant and even heroic. I can't think of a bigger tragedy for this country and for the world at large that he did not take his rightful place in the White House in 2000. Where would we be today if he had?

It breaks my heart, it really does.


"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:38:58 PM EST
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I think Gore could have been one of the great presidents, one of those who led us through a time of vast and deep change that goes far beyond party politics. He seemed to understand (or at least be aware of) the larger movements in technology, demographics, environmental outlooks, cultural shifts, and world economic and political realities. There was a real chance, I think, that he could have started us on a REAL third way, fresh paths that leave the old dying highways behind.

That said, I don't think we can just gloss over what a terrible campaign he ran (even though it was a winning one). Whether it was him, the DNC, DLC, bad advisors or what, he blew every chance he got to show Bush for what he is. I hope some great reporter comes along soon with the truth of what the hell happened. Or maybe Gore is just a victim of a political processs that automatically filters out anyone who can think and have real ideas.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean

by DaveW on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:39:12 AM EST
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are you very sure he was a republican?  What is your evidence to that?  I always thought he was an Independent.  Just cuz he voted for republicans in the past doesnt make him a republican if he was independent, or at least that is what I think I heard him say.  

I went and saw him three times speek in my state and I really liked what he was about.  His wife was much more than ppl would even know too.  

I want to say this to you tho, if he was a republican in the past and came over to our side, I have no problem with that.  I am independent and I saw in him what I see in myself.  BTW, if anyone can clean up the mess in Iraq, I think Gen. Clark just might be the one to do this.  When one says they support the troops, I actually think he does...not like the ones we have in office today.  Ilikes the way Dean came out and from the get go and roused the ppl in taking back America...which of course we must do..

Clark has taught economics as well.  So he is just not military, I think he has some common sense...That is an important factor in my book.  I have been in the military and I have seen ppl in leadership positions that have no common sense what-so-ever.  That alone can be dangerous.

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 06:35:41 AM EST
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My only regret is that by the time March 2 came around, my vote for Wes was symbolic.  That's what I get for living in the electorally irrelevant state of New York.  Screw ethanol.

Democracy demands discussion, disagreement and dissent. - Wes Clark
by djinniya on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:40:00 PM EST
Actually before Kucinich even announced his candidacy I read a comment he wrote in The Nation and I wrote him an email asking him to run for President. I think these words still speak for themselves.

The life of Dr. Martin Luther King shines like the sun through the clouds, which hover over this nation, casting a beam of light whenever darkness seeks to envelope us, illuminating our way over the rocky, perilous ground until we can envision the upward path toward social and economic justice.

This evening let us reflect on his challenge to America's prosecution of a war in Vietnam as we ponder an America poised to once again use its destructive power against a nation of people already broken by war, by US sanctions, by an uncaring leader. America stands ready to accelerate the bombing over major cities in Iraq, to destroy lives, families, houses, buildings, water systems, electric systems, to light fires to force populations to move, to engage in house-to-house combat. All in the name of fighting terrorism. In the name of removing weapons of mass destruction.

...

Peace is a civil right, which makes other human rights possible. Peace is the precondition for our existence. Peace permits our continued existence.

"I speak as a citizen of the world," Dr. King said, "for the world, as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our nation: The great initiative in this war is ours, the initiative to stop it must be ours."

Today the world is watching, once again, aghast at an America resolutely poised for war.

...

It is up to us to rally our countrymen and countrywomen to the cause of peace, for the sake of peace, and for the sake of the innocents and whatever innocence of our own we may rescue. For the sake of truth too.

No justification whatsoever exists for the United States, the United Nations or any institution whose existence celebrates justice or human unity to wage war against Iraq.

On September 12, 2001, a little more than twenty-four hours after the planes hit the World Trade Center, the Secretary of Defense, in a meeting at the White House, called for immediate strikes against Iraq. "Rumsfeld was raising the possibility that they could take advantage of the opportunity offered by the terrorist attacks to go after Saddam immediately" (source: Bush at War, Robert Woodward, pp. 49, paragraphs one and two).

In sixteen months since America was attacked, no credible evidence has been presented that Iraq perpetrated 9/11 or conspired in 9/11. Iraq was not responsible for the anthrax attack on our country. Nor does Iraq have missile-strike capability against the United States, usable weapons of mass destruction or the intention to use them against us.

It is more than strange that while no credible connection has been made between Iraq and 9/11, the Administration blocked efforts at an early official inquiry into 9/11, while beating the drums to attack Iraq.

...

To be sure, the dictator Saddam Hussein is an easy target, for murder of his own people. He was an easy target, too, years ago when supported by the United States, notwithstanding his cruelty.

When war is already in the hearts of those who lead this nation, because our leaders aspire to dominate oil markets, or expand arms trade or desire world empire, or to distract from failures domestically, what are the American people to do? Do we just sit and watch while the United States moves next to declare war against North Korea, or Iran?

In the spirit of Dr. King, we must reject this White House war mentality and the unfortunate energy policy which spawns it, or we are facing endless war over diminishing resources.

...

In his exploration of the philosophical underpinnings of America, in a work titled To Begin the World Anew, Bernard Bailyn writes of that long ago moment of democratic ferment which produced the world's grandest experiment with democracy through "the recasting of the world of power, the reformation of the structure of public authority, of the accepted forms of governance, obedience, and resistance, in practice as well as in theory."

Such was the creativity of our Founders. They used the creative energy of their hearts and spirits to change the world. Why has our creativity turned destructive? We need no longer be destructive with war. It is time to be creative in peace.

...



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by tiggers thotful spot on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:41:18 PM EST
Any Body But Bush

I started favoring Gephardt but he fell by the wayside early on. Then I was for Dean (but not a Deaniac, per se). Finally stood behind our guy Kerry, but was not personally enthusiastic. I think he tried too hard to counter Bush's "war on terror" approval ratings on the same turf. Maybe didn't have much choice then. Too bad the country didn't know and recognize then what it is beginning to see now.

by catte nappe on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:41:32 PM EST
I was in your boat too...ABB person.  But when I finally heard Clark, I took him on as my canidate.
by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 06:49:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
By the time the primary rolled around in West Virginia, it was all over but the shouting and balloons.  I voted for Kerry, but I would like to have voted for Clark.  He will be an interesting candidate in '08.
by staph on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:43:46 PM EST
That's one reason I didn't vote in the poll. All of us in states that have later primaries have no say in who the nominee will be. I voted for Kerry - enthusiastically, I think he would be a great president - but early on, I was very impressed by Clark.

If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. -Thomas Pynchon
by Janet Strange (jstrange1925athotmaildotcom) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 08:16:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe we Cal-ee-fornians should generate our own early "straw poll".
by rba (nearnight12@yahoo.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:31:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Interesting thought. Do we really have to wait for the party to decide when we get to express our views? Worth looking into. Who the hell cares what the DNC wants.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:41:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No regrets, voted for Kerry.  Not against Bush.  Interesting that his plans for the military, foreign policy, and especially Iraq are now incorporated into the party line.  That said, I would hesitate to vote for anyone on that list.  the next presidential candidate will need to rise from the ground up, not the top down.  And the party itself needs to stay the hell out of it - in front of, and behind the curtain.
by rba (nearnight12@yahoo.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:45:45 PM EST
I first got engaged at the time of the debates, and I thought that Kerry did so well in them.  And of course, by comparison, Bush looked like a complete idiot.
by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 07:57:25 PM EST
I felt it was more the case that Bush is just a terrible speaker and debater and his speech writers are Orwellian.

Edwards gave the best stump speeches, I thought, because he's pretty good at it. Though for content I personally liked Kucinich, and for humor and honesty I liked Al Sharpton best. Sharpton was probably the only one who gave me the feeling that he wrote his own material and was really comfortable saying everything he said.

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by tiggers thotful spot on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:24:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If that were the choice....  I would have voted for my Democratic left shoe if it had a chance.  But seriously, I saw a lot to like about Clark, Kerry, Edwards, Dean, and all the others, too.  ABB!  In the end I was proud to vote FOR the Kerry/Edwards ticket.  btw, has anyone else here read Edwards' book "Four Trials"?  I highly recommend it.  It will really show you what good trial lawyers can do for all of us.  I defy anyone to read it without shedding a tear for the injustices done to these particular folks or shouting out a "hooray" when you read how Edwards won these cases.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
by blueneck on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 08:25:14 PM EST
I loved that book. I was a Deanie from early days, but after I read Four Trials I knew I could be very happy if Edwards was the nominee. I think the world of both of the Edwards.

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by kansas on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 08:35:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I liked Dean a lot from the beginning, too.  I am also loving what he's doing now.  I saw a diary on some other site that was titled "Dean is crazy like a fox" and I had to agree that he is right on time with his "aggravating" remarks.  He is not afraid, and that is a GREAT quality.  I agree with you that Edwards is worthy of our respect and that I would be very happy with him as  our V.P. or even as our President.  I was very pleased with the quality of the field of candidates and could have voted FOR any one of them.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
by blueneck on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:50:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
of the two of them, I did like Edwards more so..Elizabeth is some wonderful person.  Just loved her to death.  How is she doing nowadays..Havent heard on her recovery from breast cancer.  
by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 06:57:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't know.  Maybe somebody who does know will read this and tell us.  Or maybe she lurks here just as she sometimes does (did?) at that other site.  Wouldn't that be nice?

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by kansas on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 07:22:22 AM EST
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Wesley Clark was my candidate. He knows war well enough to avoid ware if at all possible via diplomacy, because he knows the pain of war. He's more than able to stand up for himself and us, and he can deliver snark with class. His smackdowns are brilliant.

He has to fight the stereotype of "general," but I think he's come a long way. He is a true liberal in his policies, and I just hope people will listen to him.

I believe he really cares about the average joe, but he has the intellect, and I hope the communication skills, to deal with the Orwell-speakers. That seems to scare the party, but at the same time they're learning from him right now.

Bottom line, I think he can capture enough cross-over voters to win.

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by cotterperson on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 08:47:08 PM EST
a little surprised that Edwards is doing so badly in the poll.
by BooMan on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 08:47:30 PM EST
My journey through candidates:

Too young to vote:
Dwight D. Eisenhower -1956
Lyndon Johnson - 1960
John F. Kennedy - 1960
Barry Goldwater - 1964

Old enough to vote, did not:
Eugene McCarthy - 1968
Robert F. Kennedy - 1968

Voted:
Edmund Muskie - 1972
George McGovern - 1972

Did not vote:
Jimmy Carter - 1976

Voted:
Jimmy Carter - 1980
Jesse Jackson - 1984
Al Gore - 1988
Bill Clinton - 1992
Bill Clinton - 1996
Al Gore - 2000
John Kerry - 2004

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

by TarheelDem (editor@thepartielion.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:01:07 PM EST
I've actually never voted for the guy who ended up occupying the White House.

First election where I was eligible was 1984. I voted Dem in 1984 and 1988. I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 (crazy protest vote -- I plead temporary insanity but I was never a big DLC fan!), and Nader in 1996 and 2000 (mea culpa. Please don't pile on!)

I've also, to the best of my recollection, never voted for the winner of the California Democratic primary. One time I'm sure I voted for Ted Kennedy, for Jesse Jackson, for Jerry Brown, and last time for Dennis Kucinich.

So I think it's safe to say that the election day where I vote for the guy who ends up in the White House would almost certainly be a pretty big progressive victory.

(I was told I'd get more conservative as I get older. But I'm far too much of a contrarian to take that advice.)

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by tiggers thotful spot on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:54:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I certainly won't pile on. I've been a big fan of voting third party whenever possible. I was a bit disappointed in 2000 that the Green Party couldn't get on the ballot in Oklahoma, which precluded a Nader vote. Had to settle for the Libertarian Harry Browne instead. And yeah, if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't change a thing.

Btw...I'm pretty much convinced that the notion of "getting more conservative with age" is little more than a very bad myth. About the only thing that I've noticed that has changed as I've grown older (I'm approaching 40) is that my concerns have shifted from the self-centered to a more community-centered focus - and that shift if anything has necessitated if anything going in a more progressive direction.

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by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:43:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm 67 and if anything, I'm NOT conservative!!!

And, wisdom does not come with age either, you just get older.

by dlcampbe on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:29:43 AM EST
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That last sentence brought a smile to my face.

If nothing else, as I've grown older I have become more of a "wise guy."  :-)

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by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:56:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Pretty much an unreluctant admission:  Kerry supporter.  Was from the start, was a Kerry watcher since his election to the senate.

I do not regret it.  I think I have a fair veiw of all of our guys and gals.  I saw eveyone of them as problematic, even Kerry. I could list their
pros and cons.

Kerry's cons are even more obvious now, mind you.

But our loss can be blamed on Kerry as well as party problems that have plagued us for a couple of decades.  We let our side become a dirty word, we have been too apologetic about Democratic goals and policies.  Louder and prouder...

"But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore."--Prine

by Cathy on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:04:57 PM EST
strictly because of his message. When I heard of Dean I went to him at the time of the Internet Primary. Stuck with him as a first round delegate after he'd deactivated. Voted Kerry of course.

I'm not a Dean "-iac." I will say that his speaking out and the early success it caused were absolutely essential to us having any future at all. But that's not the same as being an ideal candidate.

He's not an ideal candidate in my mind because he talks in terms of ideas and logic, which is alien to most people, because they think mostly in terms of beliefs and feelings.

We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

by Gooserock on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:20:41 PM EST
I'm a Green in a deep, deep red state.  I would have voted for our candidate, David Cobb, in a heartbeat.  Unfortunately, thanks largely to the Democrats, Oklahoma has the nation's most restrictive ballot access laws and doesn't allow write-ins, so I was unable to vote for the candidate of my choice.

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by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:34:06 PM EST
Heh, the blame should be restrictive too, to Oklahoma Democrats...

"But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore."--Prine
by Cathy on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:40:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But few states have really sensible and open ballot access laws. And support for restrictive ballot access laws is truly bipartisan, with spikes and troughs when one party or the other thinks that easing the laws will hurt or help them in particular.

In OK, our current set of laws was put in by the Dems (who've controlled the State Senate for every year in the state's history except for four years in the 1920s, and who controlled the State House for every year until 2005) in a response to the successes of the Wallace campaign in 1968.  And, for the moment, because of Nader in 2000, GOPers in state government are more open to ballot access reform than Dems (I imagine things were different in, say, 1993, when Reform seemed a real danger to the GOP).

At any rate, it is the Oklahoma Democratic Party that is particularly responsible here. But the same could be said of many other state Democratic parties around the country. And the national Democratic Party certainly has no more (or less) commitment to open ballot access than does the national GOP.

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by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 04:43:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I should have allowed that there was a concerted effort partywide, nationwide to keep you from voting third party.

I mostly meant lightheartedly, the "ya'll" is not the "ya'll" here.

"But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore."--Prine

by Cathy on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 06:25:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As a fellow Okie, I feel your pain!

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by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:44:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Green versus Democrat dynamics were a big black eye for the Democratic party, if you ask me. But this last time the internal battle for control of the Green party was a big factor, too.

I would support a progressive third party over a Republican-lite party any old day. Hopefully the Greens will return to that place by 2008...

by asdf on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 02:29:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In the primaries, I voted for Al Sharpton. I knew Kerry would get the nomination by the time my state got to have its primary -- so it was a symbolic vote. But, honestly, Al Sharpton voiced everything I believe in -- from his belief in the rights of gay people to marry to his belief in a woman's right to choose. There were mostly truths in what Al had to say -- and because he probably didn't have a chance -- he could say the truth -- unlike the white guys who had a chance.

Mosely Braun was also great. Bless her.  

"You can measure the moral character of individuals and institutions by the way they treat defenseless persons. " -- Henlee Barnette

by coffee cup on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:47:11 PM EST
I thought Mosely-Braun was really impressive in the debates.  She conducted herself really well and she knew her facts.

I gained a lot of respect for her.  I'm far too pragmatic to have supported her.  But I enjoyed listening to her.

Sharpton almost got my vote for his slap-the-donkey routine.  Then I realized I didn't want a stand-up comedian to be President :)

by BooMan on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:53:05 PM EST
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Damn, I hate that word when applied to politics. You don't say who you ended up voting for, but whoever it was lost. So what was so pragmatic about that? It was the "pragmatic" Dems who nominated Kerry because he was "electable" who put us on the losing side. The outcome resulting from all other choices is mere speculation. Pragmatic my ass.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:50:53 AM EST
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Wow, what a firebrand!  I love that man for standing up and telling it like it is.  His speech at the convention was my favorite.  He was our much better version of Zell.  The conservatives really hate Rev. Al for that, which makes me love him all the more....

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
by blueneck on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:58:14 PM EST
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Kucinich or Lieberman - and I would have voted for either over Bush.
No Kucinich - in my intro welcome wagon comment I mentioned that I'm to the right of the average Kossak on foreign policy.  

No Lieberman - There's a difference between being a hawkish democrat and being a shill for the Bush admin.  There's Repubs who have managed to be more critical in spite of party loyalty - whether true blue hawks like McCain or traditional Republican internationalists like Lugar.  Plus I've always hated his tendency to view religiosity as a prerequisite for being considered a proper American.

My favorites in order were Clark, Dean, Kerry, Edwards.

by MarekNYC on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:51:24 PM EST
talked myself into supporting Kerry once he got the nom. I concentrated on BCCI and Iran/Contra so I could argue convincingly. It was hard, because he's been a hack since Reagan, but I did it, because I decided to be a partisan that election. I voted Nader in '00 (in NY, a safe blue state).

He sucked. He was a terrible candidate. Now that he's finally released his medical records, all I can think is that he didn't really want to win. He didn't ACHE for it. He didn't care. When he caved so fast, despite what we all saw of the lines in OH, that "I concede" broke my fucking heart. Somtimes I think he took a fall. I'll never forgive him for it, no matter how many emails with children's pictures he sends out.

I will NEVER, no matter how many great speeches he gives, forgive Al Gore for what he did to the CBC, and the voters, the communities, they represent. I stopped supporting him when he named Joe as a running mate, I did vote for Nader, but when the FL fight began, I really hoped he'd step up. No.

What next? Will the party learn to fight. Will the next nominee actually give a fuck and fight? I'm not so sure.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:51:42 PM EST
I could almost have written that post. Only exceptions are: I really liked Moseley-Braun, I did not vote for Nader in 2K (never liked him, and tried to get my Green friends to vote for Gore, alas, was unsuccessful), and I'm not registered as a Democrat so couldn't vote for Dean in the primaries, even though I liked him. I got screwed on that last thing, because the AZ voter website said primaries were open but it turned out that only statewide primaries were open; if I'd known I'd have re-registered. Bah.

I would love, love, LOVE to see Democrats actually fight for what liberals are supposed to believe in. I'd even start carrying the card.

by IndyLib on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:36:16 PM EST
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..about Gore's run.

((shudder))

When he picked Lieberman to run, there were so many groans about it--even from establishment types. The campaign, IMO, wasted so much time alternately hand holding and arm-twisting to get folks to accept it.

(This was supposed to be "out of the box thinking" to pick a VP based on piece in Roll Call--Morton Kondracke, I think, but I'm not sure, will try to find link--that Gore should pick Lieberman b/c he was appropriately aghast at Clinton's behavior during impeachment. To this day, I cannot believe the campaign actually bought that crock of shit.)

Lieberman is such a grandstanding ho (someone thought that the most dangerous place in DC was the distance b/w Schumer and a camera? OK, maybe that was true when he was a House member but not so w/ Holy Joe.) but is a cowering, babbling idiot in front of repubs. Recall his dismal performance w/ Unca Dick (that would be Uncle Dick, as in Shrub's puppetmaster)? No wonder he actually thought he had a chance in the '04 primaries--he believes his own hype.

Sorry--the flashbacks have been brutal--back to the question.

My head supported another candidate, because I used to work for that person. My heart supported Dean. Or maybe my heart supported that other candidate because of loyalty when my head was saying, "Look at all the people he's attracting! The stances he's taking! And even the money he's raising!"

Dean just shocked the hell out of me because he was the total opposite of what I expected...just the total opposite. I thought he was just another DLC governor and didn't know much about him, other than the NRA liking him. I figured I knew enough. I didn't even know why he was running, because the DLC had already "blessed" Kerry.

Wow, what a strange ride this has been.

Presumptuous is the new uppity.

by AP on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 05:48:29 AM EST
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I wish you could vote for two.  Like a Prez. and VP.

~americanEntropy~.
Serving truth addicts since 2004.
by hfiend on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:52:32 PM EST
Clark supporter here; I thought he was the best opportunity to strike back at the fake "warriors" in the BushCo Administration. I hoped that if he'd gotten the nomination, he would pick Dean as his running mate, or if not then Dean would be Secretary of HHS in a Clark Administration.

When Kerry was the official nominee, I supported him. But it was his failure in the November election that taught me to be very wary of anyone putting the mantle of "electability" on anyone; there is no such animal as "electability", everyone is vulnerable.


"Mr. Bush, you do not own this country!" -- Keith Olbermann, 1/2/07

by Cali Scribe on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:54:29 PM EST
I say "Deanocrat" instead of "Deaniac" because it sounds less like being a groupie (no offense, and maybe I am) but mostly because I think it defines me and many others who are only "here" (contributing to and working for the Dem party) because of HD.

I am at the left end of the political spectrum in my fight against the completly corrupt Republican power structure in government.But I am kind of cynical and think that if we throw the rascalls out the Dems who rise to power could be corrupted too.

That's why I want reform, and power to the grassroots. HD is clearly in it for the right reasons. And, God bless him, he tells it like it is. What a concept!

I put up a fundraising page called "Deanocrats United" today to earmark my (and anyone who wants to join me) donations to the DNC as driven by HD. I want to make it clear that I do not support people like Lieberman, and that they better not take me or my money for granted. It's HD's vision I support.

Here it is so kick in if you've a mind to.

http://actblue.com/list/deanocrats+united

Good to see you all here!

by Joan in Seattle on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:55:44 PM EST
Kucinich mostly, for his message. I pretty much liked all of them though, and thought they all had a message to put out there. And I knew I was going to vote for whoever the nominee was (I was never under any illusions it would be Kucinich, lol).

As for Edwards... what I've heard of his message, I like and he seems like a nice guy and somone I would support, but for all that I just can't like him. I've tried... but if he was the nominee i would vote for him.

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by Nanette (nanette at humanbeams dot com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 09:56:02 PM EST
By the time we got to vote here in California, Kerry already had the nomination sewed up, so I voted for him so he'd look stronger.

I like Dean and Kucinich, and I thought that Clark might run well against Bush. Kucinich is the only one who is close to as liberal as I am.

I'd like the Democratic party to have some guts and run Barbara Boxer next time.  Our junior senator has been a beacon of light in the Senate, and I think she'd do a great job in the White House. I am tired of hearing that a real liberal can't win a national election, and that this country couldn't deal with a woman president. Are we so far behind India, Israel, and the UK?

I also really liked Gore (our duly elected president in 2000). I mourn the loss of his presidency more than I mourn the loss of Kerry.

by Madrone (heaREMOVEther at maTHISdrone dot calm) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:03:28 PM EST
I really liked Gore in 1992, when I read "Earth in the Balance" and my conservative roommate hated it. But I honestly feel pretty betrayed on the environment by Clinton-Gore.

I can still remember when I was in junior high and we had gas lines... and our science teacher told us that we'd be more efficient in the future (because oil was going to run out and because of pollution). But the CAFE standards have been stuck in neutral since 1987, and thanks to SUVs the gas mileage of new vehicles today is worse than it was when I finished junior high. I never would have believed we were going to be so unwise!

Health Care for America
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by tiggers thotful spot on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:18:03 PM EST
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is not entirely off-topic, given the level of political involvement in how and what we drive.

You said, "thanks to SUVs the gas mileage of new vehicles today is worse . . ."

Henry Ford's Model-T averaged 25-30 miles per gallon.

I looked this up a while back, and looking for the info now, found it at an interesting conservation site.

A politician is a man who will double cross that bridge when he comes to it. -- Oscar Levant

by Mnemosyne on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:42:43 PM EST
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I wasn't aware of that (about the Model T) and it's initially difficult to imagine!

BUT top speed is very important to miles per gallon, since at freeway speeds there is a drag force going up quite fast (if you drive 100 mph, the drag force is about 4 times the force at 50mph). How Fast did a Model T typically drive?

I have a Honda Civic Hybrid. The readout typically is at 56 mpg when I drive 65 mph, and it does down to about 51 mpg when I drive 70 mph.

For comparison purposes the speed at Indy 500 is 220+ mph, and the cars get about 2.5 miles per gallon (approximately one gallon per lap)

By the way I'm a member of UCS but have never seen that site. Thanks for the link!!

Health Care for America
Health Care for California

by tiggers thotful spot on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:54:28 PM EST
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The hybrid gives you a constant mpg reading? That's very cool, and something that should be required on all cars (with a tax based on the results).

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:58:45 AM EST
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It has an "instantaneous readout" for mpg that is a little bar, and it has two "mpg meters" (trip A and trip B) that will record the average readout since the last reset. I typically use "trip A" for each tank of gas. The readouts tend to be high compared to actual mileage measured by the gas pump numbers.

My readout this morning says 56 for this tank, but I typically go 635 miles on something like 12+ gallons, so it works out to be more like 51 when measured at the pump.

I rented a Prius a couple of weeks ago and drove 200 miles on 4+ gallons. It also has an instantaneous and cumulative mileage display (on the fancy touch screen thingy)

Health Care for America
Health Care for California

by tiggers thotful spot on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 10:20:13 AM EST
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Top speed of about 45 mph, 20 horsepower.
by asdf on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 02:40:32 PM EST
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One might also consider the possibility that Model T fuel economy is sometimes viewed through the rose-colored glasses of nostalgia. Here's a recent real-world case:

"Our tour from Kinsley, KS (near Dodge City) to Miami, Fl was completed on Wednesday, April 27th. [2005] Total miles 1854 at an average speed of 31.2mph. Gas milage was 19mpg."
http://www.model-t-ford.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config_512.pl?read=87496

by asdf on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 03:10:16 PM EST
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    for CLARK, I thought American was ready for a General to help get us out of this mess we were in, but I never had the chance. Once Kerry got the nomination. I was 100% behind him. I made over 400 phone calls from my cell phone, in my own backyard, to Battleground States, I called people in Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Arizona, NV, NM. for the KERRY CAMP. I spoke to the most amazing people. I got them to Knock on doors, I explained why we had to rid America of GW Bush.

     I talked about Healthcare, Bush's War, the Economy, how it was Osama, not Sadam, how there were NO WMDs in Iraq, how Kerry kicked Bush's Ass in the debates....you name it I talked about it. I told all that would listen why John F. Kerry was the best man for the job. I even made it be that some of the people who didn't have transportation to get to the polls to vote..got to the polls through the Kerry Camp.

     I heard the most amazing stories from people of all ages..from 18 to an 85 year old widow in Florida. I heard about how badly people were hurting in our country because of George W. Bush and his stupidity and horrific policies. I heard from Mothers who had lost children in Bush's War. I heard so many stories from average Americas who had lost their jobs..people who had lost or had no health care. I still think of them today...A day doesn't go by where I don't think of some of those poor souls that I called in the months leading up to Nov. 2. They give me the strength to continue the fight.

by Chamonix1 on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:15:50 PM EST
The Dean campaign brought me back into active political life.  After the Gulf War and the 1992 election, I was convinced that I was an anachronism.  For fifteen years, ages 22-37, I had been heavily involved in activism, in community organizing, issue campaigns, electoral races.  It seemed that both my views, and my grassroots orientation to politics, were disappearing from the scene.  The democratic system was entirely taken over by professionals, there was no room for the citizen any more.  And I was burned out.  Too many years of defeats, too many years since a real win for social justice.  Even among those little local issues that I'd spent so much time fighting.

So I went private.  Worked.  Danced a lot.  Had a band.

Then the stolen election, the white collar rent a riot.  The eerily science fiction like day of 9-11. As the drumbeat toward Iraq began, I took my first overtly political act in a decade, renewing my long-lapsed membership in Veterans for Peace.  Wrote fruitlessly to my Democratic US Rep.  Was less than stunned when my junior Senator John Kerry voted for the war.  Since his return to politics in the 80s, it had struck me far too often that he would put his ambition ahead of principles.  I wouldn't be voting for him.  Didn't know who I'd be voting for, until in May of 2003 I started reading about how the Dean campaign was giving groups of local supporters the freedom to run their own operations and build their own organizations.  My community organizing soul couldn't help wanting a peak at this, so I found and went to a local Meetup that summer, and damn if that room didn't feel just about like Mass. Fair Share, it was like coming home.  Three months later I was hosting that Meetup.  We did wonderful things, tabling at the Big E (Eastern States Exposition), Balloons for Dean at the Thanksgiving Day parade, many trips to New Hampshire.

By the time I voted on Super Tuesday, it was a bittersweet exercise.  It was, Thank You, Howard Dean.

by DancingLarry (--dancinglarry--at--comcast--dot--net--) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:18:07 PM EST


Hi everyone, Part 12 of the Welcome Wagon Diaries is up.  Recommmends are appreciated as well as handing out mojo to the new BooTribbers.  

Please Unrecommend Parts 10 and 11 to make room for diaries on the Rec. List.  Thanks for your help!

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by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:18:52 PM EST
Like others here, I would have voted for a brick before I voted for Bush.  I still think it would have been a better vote.  

I gave up on politics when Bush was ordained.  I completely dropped out.  But when he was ordained for a second time, I just couldn't stand away again.  I had to get involved.  Hence, my being here.  I have called my senator more times this year than I have ever called her in all the years prior combined.  

So, that said, it really didn't matter to me.  I did a questionnaire that said Kucinich most represented my ideas, but I knew he had no chance.  So I backed Kerry and was luke warm towards him until the debates.  I think he really came back in the debates.  He was reasonable, honest and someone I could support.  

This last election was the first time I donated to any political cause.  It won't be the last.

There's a sense that people in America aren't getting the truth. - George W. Bush (Gee, ya think?)

by Kamakhya (onyx at earthlink dot net) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:25:19 PM EST
by urizon (cognitivediss@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:25:46 PM EST
by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:30:20 PM EST
by BooMan on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:07:04 PM EST
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Though I swear, I was still wavering back and forth between him and the Greens all the way through the "Help" pages of the damnable electronic voting machine...I am not convinced my vote was counted, don't think anyone will ever be able to convince me one way or another.

In the primaries, I would have voted for Kucinich...not that I thought he had a chance in hell, but damn, it would have been nice to cast a vote for someone who so closely represented my interests and passions...never been able to do that (I was born in 1966).

I am very ambivelent right now about the "Democratic Party" and voting for "D" no matter what and who and where and when....yes, I would like these slimeballs out of office, but it ocurrs to me over and over again that Nixon and Regan and Bush I (well, Sr., not so much...) went away, but their administration's structure never did...(we even have many of the EXACT same people running around doing the same old shit)

Negroponte
Cheney
oh, I could go on, but am tired and laptop running out of battery...

They have been the same fucking people in power my entire life....

I want something else, to get me through this, semi-charmed kinda life..
Third Eye Blind

by brinnainne on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 10:55:35 PM EST
I voted for Kerry but im really so far out of mainstream that i can't find anybody that really suits my fancy. Kucinich comes closest but i wasn't too thrilled with him for some reason.

Hermaphrodite with attitude!
by Syniel (s y n i e l *dontspammeeeeeeDx*@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:06:15 PM EST
Voted Kucinich in the WI primary, tho that was less a vote for Dennis, than an attempt at a message to Kerry, regarding the DrugWar.

Philosophically I fall more at the leftmost edge of the Libertarians. I couldn't relate to the LP's Presidential ticket in '96 and '00, when I was too steamed at the Clinton record to vote Dem, so Nader was the default. '92 and '04 were ABB years, and I actually liked the John Kerry of Contra/Coke (where's he hiding?) and Theresa from our conversation in Feb. '04.

I'm running for the US Senate again, Wisconsin 2012.

by ben masel (bDESPAMmasel@tds.net) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:24:06 PM EST
I supported and voted Lionel Jospin at the last presidential election... in France!

Alas, Chirac won, and we are paying it dearly: it is an important cause for the rejection of the European constitutional treaty...

"ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:25:52 PM EST
Thank you for this comment. Even though I'm American, it kind of bothered me that this question assumed everyone on the site was American, when in fact a big part of the appeal here is that it's not just a US site.
by Cascadia Progressive on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 03:59:23 PM EST
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IMO, us netizens (and maybe Dems in general) spend too much time identifying with pols or candidates rather than the ideas or issues that really matter in politics.

So count me as a vote against cults of personality, whomever the personality may be.

by socal (email@dontspam.com) on Thu Jun 9th, 2005 at 11:46:28 PM EST
I actually registered to vote in a Democratic primary for the first time since my first election in 1992 - and that was difficult for me, but I liked the policy stands that Kucinich made - first time in awhile I'd seen a Dem act like a true leftist.

I'm well out beyond the left fringe of the Democratic Party - I'll freely identify as a socialist (red-bait away) - but I'll usually line up for the Dems in an election.

Untangle your brain at Medulla Noodle.

by wobblie (cgoffor(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 01:29:29 AM EST
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