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Pat Lang on CNN "Situation Room"

by susanhu
Thu Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:10:06 PM EST

Pat Lang, a frequent contributor to BoomanTribune.com, appeared on today's first segment of the "Situation Room" with Wolf Blitzer. Crooks & Liars is posting the video. Col. Lang's bio is below the fold.

BLITZER: Turning now to our security council. Tomorrow the special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to make an announcement on whether or not there will be indictments in the CIA leak case. But how much damage was actually done to U.S. intelligence by the outing of the CIA operative Valerie Plame?

Joining us now, retired U.S. Army Colonel Pat Lang, a former chief analyst for the Pentagon's defense intelligence agency, and our own national security correspondent David Ensor. Two guys who know this subject well.

How much damage do you believe was actually done as a result of her name being released?

COL. WALTER "PAT" LANG, U.S. ARMY (RET): I think quite a lot. I mean, she actually was functioning in kind of a covered status in which she remained covered so that when she went overseas to meet people in conjunction she -- the operation would be secure. And the thing she was running in particular were blown away obviously by these -- this disclosure.

But I think the larger issue is that the very fact that the U.S. government seems to have in fact disclosed the identity of one of its covert officers would cause people around the world to think that we have no credibility and that we could not be trusted to protect their identities if they cooperated with us.

BLITZER: We're seeing some pictures, by the way, as we speak, of the president down in south Florida. He's touring some of the areas damaged and devastated, if you will, some of the people suffering as a result of Hurricane Wilma. We'll show those pictures from time to time as they are available. Some members of the staff there with the president.

As far as you know, David, there was no postmortem official that was document submitted to the Senate or House Intelligence Committee outlining what they believe was the damage?

DAVID ENSOR, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, that's right. There will be once all of the judicial matters -- all the trials or plea bargains or whatever we're going have next are over with. There will be a complete damage assessment done.

But there was a quick, first, sort of operations check. And as Pat said, there clearly was damage. Her past career, any sources she may have drawn, the current career, those people who were in real trouble. Any future work she might have been able to do as a 20-year veteran, very experienced, is lost. Plus, and most importantly, all around the world anybody who is thinking of working for U.S. intelligence as a spy now sees that from time to time, at least, the U.S. hurts the home team and that's not good.

More Pat Lang below the fold:

BLITZER: Her husband is the former U.S. ambassador Joe Wilson who wrote about his trip on behalf of the CIA to Niger to check out these reports whether or not enriched uranium -- Iraqis under Saddam Hussein are trying to buy enriched uranium. There are his critics -- and you know Pat, there are a lot of critics of Joe Wilson out there who support the president and his stance on the war who say you know what? He's really responsible for outing his wife, because he wrote this article saying he made a trip on behalf of the CIA.

And if you go to his who's who biographical file, it'll say he's married to Valerie Plame. And if he were working for the CIA, that that could have compromised her identity right there.

LANG: That's true, but it's a fairly extended set of circumstances in that case. It's not like a specific and destructive, I think, as it would be true if, in fact, officials of the United States government used their facilities and the power of the state to, in fact, disclose the identity of this person.

This is something which would not be understood anywhere as David said, people would look at that and say, well, my God if they did that to one of their own people, why should I entrust my safety to these people? Will they be able to protect my identity?

BLITZER: We might know tomorrow whether any of the individuals who talked about her to reporters, whether Bob Novak, or anyone else, actually knew she was under cover, that she was what they call a NOC, a non-official cover and clandestine operative.

LANG: Actually, it wouldn't make any difference if she were a NOC or if she were simply undercover in a fairly shallow cover. In either case, she would be a covered person in the meaning of the law. You don't have to be a NOC to be that. In fact, any undercover person's has to be protected.

ENSOR: I would like to say, in defense of those who are saying this is not such a bad thing -- it is fair to argue, I think, that by marrying Joe Wilson, a fairly public figure, a former ambassador, she probably made herself a bit less useful to the CIA.

She put herself, at least married to a very public figure and probably could not have gone, for example, undercover with a false name and so forth.

So, her usefulness was still very much there and a law appears to have been broken. But it isn't quite the same loss to U.S. intelligence as it if would have been if she had no connection with anybody as public as Joe Wilson.

BLITZER: Her usefulness as an analyst in the CIA, of course remains. She still works at the CIA. But, her usefulness as an uncover officer was completely destroyed when she decided to pose publicly for a picture for Vanity Fair. Then all of the sudden, not just the name Valerie Plame is known around the world, but the face is known as well.

LANG: The chain of circumstances that led to that is an unfortunate thing. It in fact ruined the possibility of ever using her as a field operative again, that's absolutely true.

I think the particulars of this have to be established by the special prosecutor in this case. We're going to find out tomorrow.

BLITZER: One of the things that's very worrisome that we heard from Larry Johnson, who is a former CIA officer, a state department counterterrorism official as well -- he said that he had heard that there had been death threats to her as result of all of this from al- Qaida. Have you ever heard that.

ENSOR: I have not.

BLITZER: Pat, have you heard that?

LANG: No, I have not heard that.

BLITZER: Because if there were death threats, I assume she'd want protection from the government. She still is employed by the CIA at this point. Pat, button this up. What do you suspect will happen tomorrow?

LANG: I think Mr. Fitzgerald is a kind of person who does not see things in relative terms in any way. He sees things that either things are correct or they're not correct.

And all his past seems to indicate that he will press the cases, I think, very hard. In fact, his use of some laws seem may seem to be quite creative to many people.

BLITZER: The president now back on the ground touring South Florida. Just got off Marine One over there. We're going to continue to watch what he's up to.

Pat Lang, as usual, thanks very much for joining us. David Ensor, thanks to you as well.

-- From the "Situation Room" transcript today.

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Col. Patrick W. Lang (Ret.), a highly decorated retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces, served as “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism" for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and was later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service. Col. Lang was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point. For his service in the DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” He is a frequent commentator on television and radio, including PBS's Newshour, and most recently on MSNBC's Hardball and NPR's "All Things Considered."


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again: see the previous diary.  Why wouldn't being married to a former ambassador be a good cover?  There are a lot of people in Washington who are married to government types.  Why wouldn't an energy consultant be married to one.  Who would assume that because you are married to a former ambassador that you are a spy?  Are CIA agents not supposed to be married?  Do they have to pass their potential spouses by the agency?  Who is this Ensor person?  Is he reputable at all?
by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Thu Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:22:24 PM EST
When asked about the fallout ie. the damage assessment as a result of Plame's outing, Bob Woodward on Larry King's show just said it was "minimal". Minimal? Get a clue, Bob.
by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Thu Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:22:55 PM EST
...that as this story has progressed, we can expect to see the "Valerie Plame revealed herself" meme pushed more and more. We see it here and in Larry Johnson's segment. Statements commenting on her marriage to the public figure, Joe Wilson, or she was in "such-and-such public list" that make the claim these were hardly the actions of someone undercover. Also, there is a veiled insult inherent in these claims saying that she could not have been very "useful" to the CIA, being such a public figure.

However, they all miss a few crucial points:

1) It does not matter what her status is NOW nor would it ever. She was a NOC, and until the CIA says otherwise, still was a NOC at the time of the leak.

2)Even if she was transitioning off of NOC status, we STILL lose all of her links to external sources since they become automatically suspect.

3) If you grant the assumption that she was not a NOC when the leak was made, it still does not change that  everyone who was ever associated with her over her career, IS IN JEOPARDY. This would be true even long after her career as a NOC was over. This is the ultimate response to this nonsense. She should NEVER have been revealed. Doing so jeopardizes anyone and any organization she ever associated with during her service.

by SoulCatcher (the_limper@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:26:50 PM EST
by maynard (maynard(at)n0sp^m_jmgDOTcom) on Thu Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:38:19 PM EST
"she'd want protection from the government."

Shit, man, who  wouldn't want protection from the government?  But who is going to protect us from the government?

by NorCalJim on Fri Oct 28th, 2005 at 01:44:51 AM EST


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