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That Talking Point Won't Fly

by catnip
Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:12:30 PM EST

During Friday’s press conference, when Patrick Fitzgerald announced the 5 indictments against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, responding to a reporter’s question about the right-wing talking point that charges like perjury, making false statements and obstruction were just “technicalities”, Fitzgerald replied bluntly, “That talking point won’t fly”. No doubt.

Regardless, the right-wing spin machine is so desperate to Save Scooter(tm) that they continue to use that one and more. The truth hurts – especially when you find out that one of your heroes allegedly lied. So, what do you do when your bubble is burst? You just lie some more!

Note: there is so much crap flying around out there right now that I just couldn't bring myself to deal with a lot of it without feeling overwhelmingly nauseous, so I've just posted some highlights or lowlights, as it were.

Here are more right-wing talking points that just won’t fly:

From the WSJ's Opinion Journal:

"Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed."

Valerie Plame’s cover was blown. Libby is charged with lying about his role in that sordid affair.

FITZGERALD: He was at the beginning of the chain of phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter. And then he lied about it afterwards, under oath and repeatedly.

"To the extent that the facts alleged in the indictment can be relied upon..."

When you don’t have any other logical defense, attack the facts. That’s kind of ironic actually since Libby lied about his “facts” and was the only one charged with doing so. If someone else perjured themselves, they would have been charged too.

“But he [Fitzgerald] has thrust himself into what was, at bottom, a policy dispute between an elected Administration and critics of the President's approach to the war on terror, who included parts of the permanent bureaucracy of the State Department and CIA.”

FITZGERALD: … It was known that a CIA officer's identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak. We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it.

[…]
That brings us to the fall of 2003. When it was clear that Valerie Wilson's cover had been blown, investigation began.”

“Unless Mr. Fitzgerald can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Libby was lying, and doing so for some nefarious purpose, this indictment looks like a case of criminalizing politics.”

For some “nefarious” purpose? Lying is lying is lying and when you lie to a grand jury, whether you have “nefarious purposes” or not, you get charged. Apparently, Libby is now going to use the infamous “I can’t recall because I’m such a busy man” defense. That begs the question: why didn’t he (who is a lawyer) and his lawyer just use that defense in the first place? I’ll tell you why: because it’s a crock.

much more on the flip including unbelievable crap in WaPo and the NYT....

Ace of Spades blog:
"And so here we are. No crime was committed BEFORE the investigation, so he indicts someone on five charges (?) for statements made in the course of the investigation.

See above.

This post is actually full of lies including:
“You don't need to empanel a grand jury to decide if Valerie Plame was a covert agent, or if any of the various national security laws were broken.

Right. Obviously they should have just hired that blogger. Actually, Bush should probably nominate him to the Supreme Court!

and...“This question could have been, and should have been, answered in the first month of legal investigation, using no greater investigative resources than a law library.”

Alrighty then! Who needs courts? Dissolve them all, I say.

Wanker.

“And during those two years he's had people in jail for contempt and questioned many witnesses before the grand jury.”

“People”? Judith Miller is “people”?

Daily Pundit:

"Joesph [sic] Wilson and his wife should be investigated for “how a CIA employee manipulated the system into sending her obviously unqualified husband on a junket at taxpayer's expense with the apparent goal of attacking the President in whose administration she ostensibly worked.”

Obviously. Why hasn’t anyone thought of that one before??

The NYT:

"Headline: Novel Strategy Pits Journalists Against Source"

Wrong. Libby gave those reporters permission to testify about their conversations with him.

“Mr. Fitzgerald has gathered documents and other evidence showing that Mr. Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, learned of the identity of a C.I.A. officer, Valerie Wilson, weeks before he talked with the three reporters. But, according to the indictment, Mr. Libby told the grand jury that the information came from Mr. Russert.”

That headline should actually read “Libby’s Lying Strategy Pitted Reporters Against Himself”.

WaPo:

Plame was not a covert agent and this is all Fitzgerald’s fault.

"It is clear that, at least by sometime in January 2004 -- and probably much earlier -- Fitzgerald knew this law had not been violated. Plame was not a "covert" agent but a bureaucrat working at CIA headquarters.

Yes, that’s in WaPo, folks.

FITZGERALD:“Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified.” And “You need to know at the time that he transmitted the information, he appreciated that it was classified information, that he knew it or acted, in certain statutes, with recklessness.”

More from WaPo:

"Mr. Libby was not Mr. Novak's source”

How do they know if that’s true?

“The public record offers no indication that Mr. Libby or any other official deliberately exposed Ms. Plame to punish her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. Rather, Mr. Libby and other officials, including Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff, apparently were seeking to combat the sensational allegations of a critic."

“seeking to combat” = “punish”…in my books

We’re not stupid. We know exactly how this administration deals with its enemies.

“To criminalize such discussions between officials and reporters would run counter to the public interest.”

No – what’s criminal is administration officials leaking the name of a covert CIA agent to the press. Which part of that don’t you get?

I need dramamine.

__________________

All Fitzgerald quotes are taken from his press conference.



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"People"? Judith Miller is "people"?

I'm sorry, but you had me rolling with laughter on that one.  You see, she IS "people":

She talks out of both sides of her mouth
She has two stories on the same subject and circumstances
She submits and then corrects stories on a serial basis.
She is of two minds, evidently with a faulty memory (Libby had to remind her of the CIA Plame connection)
She has had multiple lawyers
She was working for the White House at the same time she was working for the NYT

She is "people" - the "of two minds" is what makes that so clear, right?

(and as a new poster, I'd better mark this as /snark!)

by kfred (kathyfredericksonatcomcastdotnet) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:37:50 PM EST
That makes sense now!

And - welcome to BT. :)

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 03:01:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So they attempted to impeach Clinton on a "technicality"?



Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?
by Egarwaen on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:30:31 PM EST
Well, yeah - but don't tell them that.
by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 04:38:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's actually quite funny to confront conservatives about that.

"Well, you tried to impeach Clinton for having a blow job. Surely Bush should be impeached for lying the nation into war!"

"No, no. Clinton wasn't impeached for having a blow job. He was to be impeached for lying to the American people!"

"But Bush has lied to the American people."

"Clinton lied under oath!"

"Bush did too."

"You don't get it." or "It's ok if you're a Republican!"



Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?
by Egarwaen on Sun Oct 30th, 2005 at 10:47:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
i want to know what moron america is thinking

arent the tv shows going on hiatus soon?

maybe we can get their attention then.

did you see that fuckhead tony snow on maher last night?

he just outright lied about everything and no one seemed really prepared to counter him...i was very disappointed in bill.

why oh why cant their be a sex scandal in there somewhere....sometimes i think thats our only hope.

by anna in philly (flymetothemoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:34:40 PM EST
I swear I saw a split second reaction by Fitzgerald to the reporter's question anticipating the attacks. He seemed to show a look of shock but it was gone just as quick. Maybe it was just the question but it's obvious to me that he sees the results as serious and he's not done yet.

I would bet that something will get leaked by those folks who act like it's over that might do more damage to those they're trying to defend.

by rumi on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:39:50 PM EST
On your first comment from the WaPo, notice who the authors were.
"By David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey

The writers are Washington lawyers who served in the Justice Department during the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush."

That makes it pure political spin in support of the administration and Libby. It also shows why the career Justice Department Lawyers forced Ashcroft to recuse himself.

The second comment from WaPo was from a non-bylined editorial. I'd have to say whoever wrote it didn't listen to Fitzgerald's press conference.


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by Rick B2 (jayray21athotmaildotcom) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:59:09 PM EST
/ I'd have to say whoever wrote it didn't listen to Fitzgerald's press conference./

I'd venture a guess that, even if they had, they would have written exactly the same article.

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 03:02:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Of course they didn't listen to it.  There was no costume, no strutting, nothing for show - why bother?  We already know everything we want to know.  

Catnip, you are working way too hard - late Saturday afternoon is the time for a catnap.

by Alice on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 04:10:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I''l take your advice on that. :)
by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 04:38:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
To more talking points from the National Review:

  1. The ever popular "they're just charges". Sure, they're just charges but they are very serious charges that have forced the VP's chief of staff to resign - throwing a wrench into the Bush administartion. Even you Bush supporters should be able to understand the effects of that regardless of whether you beleive he's guilty or not.

  2. Fitz made it sound like Libby endangered national security. Well, guess what? By allegedly obstructing justice and lying to a grand jury that was trying to get to the bottom of how a covert CIA agent's name was outed, he did endanger national security. We need to know who outed her for the sake of maintaining national security. That's not that difficult to figure out, is it?
by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Sat Oct 29th, 2005 at 05:30:03 PM EST


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