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Right Wing Gears Up for Rove Indictments

by BooMan
Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 06:28:23 PM EST

When the National Review starts speculating about the immanent indictment of Karl Rove you know things are getting serious. Are they laying the groundwork for their counterspin?

Byron York writes:

There have been rumors flying around Washington in the last few days that Karl Rove, the president's top political adviser, might soon be indicted in the CIA leak investigation.

Well, no duh. But there is reason for the rumors.

...it is true that there is growing nervousness among people who support Rove's side in the case. They know that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, in addition to presenting some new evidence to a new federal grand jury, has also re-presented previously-gathered evidence to that grand jury. To most observers, that suggests Fitzgerald could be planning to indict someone.

And everyone knows that Karl Rove initially neglected to tell either the FBI or Fitzgerald about his conversations with Matt Cooper.

Rove's supporters also know that the time is about right for something to happen...

If Rove were to be indicted — and for all anyone on the outside knows, there might be someone else in Fitzgerald's sights — most people knowledgeable about the case believe charges would stem from the presidential adviser's testimony about his brief July 11, 2003, conversation with Time magazine's Matthew Cooper.

Rove's strategic forgetfulness obstructed Fitz's investigation but the National Review really doesn't think that is a big deal. Remember when they let Clinton off the hook because he was never found guilty of violating Paula Jones's civil rights? Well, they are nothing if not logically consistent.

As far as anyone outside the investigation knows, Fitzgerald does not have a problem with testimony from Rove's second, third, and fourth appearances before the grand jury. In addition, it appears that Rove, like Libby, would not be charged with violating any of the underlying laws in the case — either the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act. So for now, the agonizing question for Rove's supporters is whether Fitzgerald believes Rove's earlier testimony involving Cooper constituted the crimes of making false statements (in the case of the FBI interview) or perjury (in the grand jury testimony).

Rove's supporters believe it would be a weak case, a good deal weaker than the perjury and obstruction case Fitzgerald has made against Libby, which itself was somewhat undermined when it turned out that there was at least one significant part of that story — Libby's conversations with the Washington Post's Bob Woodward — that Fitzgerald didn't know about at the time he indicted Libby. Still, it's possible Fitzgerald will forge ahead, in part because his much-publicized, two-year investigation has so far produced relatively meager results. After intense probing, and working with virtually unlimited power and discretion, the hard-charging prosecutor has succeeded in indicting one person, Libby, although not for an underlying offense, and disrupting or marring the careers of journalists Judith Miller, Cooper, Woodward, and, most recently, Time's Viveca Novak. Some Fitzgerald watchers find it difficult to believe that he will close up shop and go home with a record like that.

Poor Rove. It's unlikely that Fitz will overlook his multiple false statements, obstructions, and instances of outright perjury. He might even put poor Rove in jail. And to think that all Clinton got was an impeachment.



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Are they laying the groundwork for their counterspin?

Sure as hell sounds like it to me!

"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

by Street Kid on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 06:32:07 PM EST
by rumi on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 06:35:05 PM EST
HOLY CRAP!!!!!

What goes around comes around!!!

"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

by Street Kid on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 06:49:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

  It's like getting to open a present early.

by rumi on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 07:02:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OMG These are the guys that make electronic voting machines? They are out and out liars?

 My eyes are slowly opening. Fucked up, hackable voting machines and liars running the company that makes them. So the only thing left is a stupid liar of a candidate and unscrupulous supporters to make a stolen election.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

by Salunga on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:13:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

  If you have some time, read up on it at BradBlog linked above and the diaries posted here at the Frogpond. Someone will probably, or should have a diary going on this before long if you have any questions.

  This all assumes you're not as familiar with the details as ou might like to be. There are so many it's tough to keep up with them.

  I'll stop so I don't result in an inadvertant hijack.

by rumi on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:34:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
    ... the aftereffects of Hurricane Katrina disrupted deliveries of the firm's machines, affecting financial results negatively, Diebold reported earlier.

In a surprise announcement, O'Dell unexpectedly resigned from the company. A Diebold press release described O'Dell as leaving the company for "personal reasons".

O'Dell Looking For A New Job!

  ««  click for Forbes article
Walden W. O'Dell  

CEO O'Dell was immediately replaced by the company's president and chief operating officer, Thomas W. Swidarski, who had directly overseen Diebold's Election Systems subsidiary division for some time. Swidarski is also named as a co-defendant in today's class action suit.  

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas. He penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.

The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
 

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by Oui on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:27:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Karl Rove roasting on an open fire,
Indictment nipping at his nose,
White House aides singing like a choir,
To Fitzgerald, smiling 'cause he knows.

Everybody knows a turkey and caught miscreants,
Help to make the season bright.
Tiny liberals with their eyes all aglow,
Will find it hard to sleep tonight.

They know that Fitzie's on his way;
He's goaded lots of boys and girls to make them say.
And every mother's child is going to spy,
To see if Rovie really will go bye-bye.

And so I'm offering this simple phrase,
To kids from one to ninety-two,
Although its been said many times, many ways,
A very Merry Fitzmas to you

by Aaron Barlow on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 06:41:38 PM EST
The old bad memory excuse they expect us to believe is a continuing amazement to me.  I'm just a secretary, for God sakes, not a highly paid political operative or reporter for a major publication and I can tell you that "I forgot" or "I don't remember" has never been an adequate excuse in my job.  That's why we take notes, set reminders, you know, the kind of things the rest of us KNOW to do.

I've said it from the beginning of this whole CIA Leak mess, there are only two conclusions to draw.  Either most of the people involved in the administration are incompetent bozos or they have acted criminally.  In either case, they should not still have jobs in the administration!  Oops, guess that would include the presnitz too, huh?

Of course, lately I've come to believe that both conclusions are true.  They're just incompetent crooks!

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. Edward R. Murrow

by Quiet One on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 06:53:41 PM EST
a..why no one has been indicted on the underlying crime. and,

b..whether getting convictions on corruption and obstruction provide a firmer foundation for conviction on the underlying crime.  That is, if he says he didn't do it, and a jury says that's a lie, doesn't that sorta prove he did do it?  ...Or at least reduce any reasonable doubt that he did do it.  Please, please, is this just the opening salvo?

by NorCalJim on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 07:49:34 PM EST
there are two different aspects to the case.  First, is the investigation of the crime, which involves deposing all the witnesses, and the second is determining whether anyone knowingly outed Valerie Plame with full knowledge that she was a covert operative.

Some people are cooperating witnesses, others are passive witnesses just telling what they know, and still others are potential targets of the underlying charges.  And it is the obstruction of the investigation that makes it difficult to prove who did what when and with what knowledge, and with what motives.

So, the short answer is that indicting or threatening to indict people for lesser charges helps get to the bottom of the case and raises the probability that someone will get charged with the those crimes.  But ultimately it doesn't matter whether they have to resign and face jail time for one crime or another as long as they do not escape justice.

by BooMan on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:12:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

  Just an interested observer here wanting to add that it might be partially due to Fitzgerald's integrity. He seems to stay right on the specific subject in questioning with several witnesses asking for and receiving a narrow scope of specific questions.

  That also means multiple appearances as the information comes out in a slower process. Secondly, he doesn't appear to make decisions until he has all possible information substantiated,...unlike me :)

by rumi on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:38:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Booman, Thanks so much for clarifying this.

However, after 5 years of one horrible outrage after another, resignation IS NOT SUFFICIENT. They can recycle back into government as Cheney and Rumsfeld have being doing for 30+ years.

We NEED convictions, so that these psycopaths are permanently blocked from government.

Just my nickel's worth!

"The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking the most often and in the loudest voice." Theodore Roosevelt.

by Grandma M on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 08:53:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not legally erudite, but b seems logical to me.

"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
by Street Kid on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 07:56:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
with liar liar pants on fire doesn't preclude additional charges as the facts come out.  And because people want to save their butts facts WILL come out, unless the presnet starts popping pardons soon.

Grandma Jo
by glitterscale (glitteryscale@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 09:56:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by rumi on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 10:41:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Luskin was obviously on a fishing expedition when he told V. Novak that "Rove didn't have a Matt Cooper problem." The phrasing makes it totally obvious that he knew Rove had a Matt Cooper problem, and was trying to find out whether the lies Rove had told Fitzgerald were going to fly or not.  

Sheesh!  

It's amazing that Luskin ever thought Novak's testimony could be helpful to his sleazebag, morally bankrupt, viper-hearted client.

When is the other shoe going to drop?  Soon, soon I hope! I can hardly stand the suspense!    

by mythmother (mythmother (at) gmail.com) on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 07:37:55 PM EST
Lawrence O'Donnell (just interviewed by k. Olberman on "countdown") mentioned that if rove wasn't indicted it will be because of Vnovak's testimony and how much trouble she herself is in. this is the second time in a week that O'donnell basically says rove is likely not to be indicted.

is he smoking something? or are we?

by hester (drhester@earthlink.net) on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:24:13 PM EST
what kind of trouble is she in?
by BooMan on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:28:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
legal trouble. obviously she's permanently gone from time mag, but o'donnell suggested that she was in more legal trouble than j. miller.
by hester (drhester@earthlink.net) on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:32:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
.
See earlier diary ::
Crucial Paragraph Viveca Novak :: Stands Out Like A Sore Thumb

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
 

▼▼▼ READ MY DIARY

by Oui on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:41:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rove threw Shit. He's goin' down. And I don't mean on Gannon.
by Chamonix1 on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 09:45:13 PM EST


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