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Jurist Quits; Senators, Constitutional Experts Demand Inquiries

by susanhu
Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 11:40:38 PM EST

A FISA jurist appointed by the late Chief Justice William Rehnquist has quit the court in protest. And, in a related story, the New York Times is reporting that the eavesdropping-without-warrants operations "has captured what are purely domestic communications." The WaPo story:

Spy Court Judge Quits In Protest
Jurist Concerned Bush Order Tainted Work of Secret Panel

By Carol D. Leonnig and Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 21, 2005; Page A01

A federal judge has resigned from the court that oversees government surveillance in intelligence cases in protest of President Bush's secret authorization of a domestic spying program, according to two sources.

U.S. District Judge James Robertson, one of 11 members of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, sent a letter to Chief Justice John D. Roberts Jr. late Monday notifying him of his resignation without providing an explanation.

Two associates familiar with his decision said yesterday that Robertson privately expressed deep concern that the warrantless surveillance program authorized by the president in 2001 was legally questionable and may have tainted the FISA court's work.

Robertson, who was appointed to the federal bench in Washington by President Bill Clinton in 1994 and was later selected by then-Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist to serve on the FISA court, declined to comment ...

Word of Robertson's resignation came as two Senate Republicans yesterday joined the call for congressional investigations. ... They questioned the legality of the operation and the extent to which the White House kept Congress informed.

Sens. Chuck Hagel (Neb.) and Olympia J. Snowe (Maine) echoed concerns raised by Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has promised hearings in the new year. ... WaPo.

The NYT piece -- "Spying Program Snared U.S. Calls" -- tells us, according to AmericaBlog (via Memeorandum), that "[N]ow we learn that there was some 'accidental' spying on communications that took place solely within the U.S." AmericaBlog further speculates about "how soon before we find out that these weren't accidental or technical glitches?"

My question: Is this all that the NYT knows about the operation, or is the newspaper withholding other significant remnants of the story it held for over a year? (It's tough when the "paper of record" doesn't record what it has to begin with.) As James Bamford said yesterday on Democracy Now!:

JAMES BAMFORD: Well, there hasn’t really been very much revealed at all, simply the fact that the Bush administration has admitted that they have been eavesdropping on U.S. citizens within the United States, and apparently, they were focusing on international communications; in other words, where at least one of the terminals of the phone call was outside the United States. So that's about all we know right now. The New York Times indicated that there was somewhere between several hundred and maybe several thousand people that were affected by this. But apparently, it's been going on at least since 2001, so there's probably quite a few people out there that have been surveilled, and have no knowledge about it, and again, without any court order.

Bamford, an investigative journalist and author of several books including the first book ever written about the National Security Agency, is correct. There's too damn much we don't know yet, and what we learn, and when we learn it, will shape congressional investigations and the call for Bush's impeachment.

Today, Raw Story revealed that Bush claimed in 2004 that all wiretaps required warrants.

Constitutional attorney Bruce Fein, in a column for the Washington Times. goes for the jugular:

According to President George W. Bush, being president in wartime means never having to concede co-equal branches of government have a role when it comes to hidden encroachments on civil liberties. ... [...]

Mr. Bush's defense generally echoed previous outlandish assertions that the commander in chief enjoys inherent constitutional power to ignore customary congressional, judicial or public checks on executive tyranny under the banner of defeating international terrorism, for example, defying treaty or statutory prohibitions on torture or indefinitely detaining United States citizens as illegal combatants on the president's say-so.

President Bush presents a clear and present danger to the rule of law. He cannot be trusted to conduct the war against global terrorism with a decent respect for civil liberties and checks against executive abuses. Congress should swiftly enact a code that would require Mr. Bush to obtain legislative consent for every counterterrorism measure that would materially impair individual freedoms. ...

Dick Cheney also presents a "clear and present danger":

DANA BASH [CNN reporter with Cheney on overseas trip]: You talked about the fact that you briefed Congress voluntarily [about the spying program], that you do have a review process.

BASH: But let's just say, in ten years or a few years, a president is elected who doesn't want to do those things, but you've given him this kind of power. What happens then?

CHENEY: Well, it will be up to him whether or not he uses it.

BASH: Does it concern you that somebody you met you wouldn't necessarily trust with that kind of power.

CHENEY: The fact is the law is the law. The Constitution is there. It's been adhered to and followed in this case. ...

CNN Transcript, Situation Room, Dec. 20, 2005

Great questions, Dana Bash. You nailed yourself, Dick. (See also: "Cheney defends secret spying.") Congress must move immediately to bar both the president and vice president from these illegal operations and then must commence simultaneous impeachment proceedings.

And how many Republican Senators now do we have now calling for hearings? Arlen Specter was the first. "'There's going to be a great national debate on this subject,' Specter told reporters yesterday ..." (WaPo) Now we have Hagel and Snowe. Can we expect more? Who?

Hagel and Snowe joined three Democratic colleagues -- Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), Carl M. Levin (Mich.) and Ron Wyden (Ore.) -- in calling for a joint investigation by the Senate's Judiciary and Intelligence panels into the classified program.

Roy Blunt (R.-Missouri) says we don't need no stinkin' hearings. I suppose the predictable bunch will rally 'round the preznit -- the Tom Coburns and Pat Roberts of the Senate.

More on Robertson's decision -- and a Potemkin court:

Robertson indicated privately to colleagues in recent conversations that he was concerned that information gained from warrantless NSA surveillance could have then been used to obtain FISA warrants. FISA court Presiding Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, who had been briefed on the spying program by the administration, raised the same concern in 2004, and insisted that the Justice Department certify in writing that it was not occurring.

"They just don't know if the product of wiretaps were used for FISA warrants -- to kind of cleanse the information," said one source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the FISA warrants. "What I've heard some of the judges say is they feel they've participated in a Potemkin court." ...

The WaPo article does say that he was considered a "liberal" judge (by who the article doesn't say) apparently because he "has often ruled against the Bush administration's assertions of broad powers in the terrorism fight, most notably in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld."

Oh, I get it. You're a liberal judge if you vote on the side of the Bill of Rights. What an absurd assumption by the WaPo writers.

See also: The diary by Real History Lisa, "I was there when Dean said 'impeachable offense'!" (She's referring to John Dean, mentioned in Barbara Boxer's letter today.)

(All emphases mine.)



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is talking about this now on Nightline.  He thinks its obvious what occurred.  He's sitting on a court that is controversial to begin with (a court created to circumvent the 4th amendment in the first place), with little leeway to turn down an application, an extremely limited judicial role and now the president says that he has the power to circumvent the court, why wouldn't he resign.  He sees Bush's actions as "clearly a federal crime"  and the arguments border on the "legally absurd" and raises "troubling questions".  If the president ORDERED a federal crime it raises troubling questions for the president.  Cutting to the chase, if it is a crime it would be an impeachable offense (YES HE JUST SAID THIS ON TV).  What happened was not just a violation of federal law but of the US constitution. But of course its questionable if congress would pursue impeachment.  And that's it.  No counterpoint.
by maryb2004 on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 11:56:41 PM EST
Mary, this is invaluable information.  Since Nightline (dammit) doesn't provide transcripts, I'll stay up and tape it ...

so far, no one else in the media has the story / just UPI quoting the WaPo.

What else is invaluable about your sharing this:  Jonathan Turley is conservative -- he drove me nuts during the Clinton impeachment hearings -- but he does have a clear mind and a conscience.  He sees things as he sees them.

When both Bob Barr and Jonathan Turley -- along with Chuck Hagel, Olympia Snowe, and Arlen Specter -- are saying this is an impeachable offense, it is a bad sign for Bush.

(And several other constitutional scholars have agreed that it is an impeachable offense.)


Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:03:28 AM EST
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No problem.  I was typing as fast as I could so sorry for the typos.  I wasn't aware that he was a conservative. I wasn't paying close attention when they introduced him.  The new format of Nightline is not as good as the old -- but I imagine more people watch it than read the Washington Post.  So it certainly got the story out there.
by maryb2004 on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:07:17 AM EST
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"When both Bob Barr and Jonathan Turley -- along with Chuck Hagel, Olympia Snowe, and Arlen Specter -- are saying this is an impeachable offense, it is a bad sign for Bush."

Excellent connection of the dots Susan. Conversely, bad news for Bus$CO hopefully is good news for all of us.

ps. Damn!! I wish someone would give a functionally technical illiterate, like myself, exact keystroke by keystroke, instructions on how to make boxes and italicise text.

"The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking the most often and in the loudest voice." Theodore Roosevelt.

by Grandma M on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 07:42:37 AM EST
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Hi!

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[blockquote] Your boxed text here [/blockquote]

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by Knoxville Progressive (green_planet_2000 (at) yahoo (dot) com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 09:26:55 AM EST
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They just don't know if the product of wiretaps were used for FISA warrants...

The fruit of the poison tree.  The law has literally been turned on its' head.  Since Bush is determined to follow his course and continue to evade the law, perhaps we should just open the prisons and free all the inmates.  Such an example he sets.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:01:32 AM EST
That's exactly what I was thinking.  OR .. if evidence obtained without a warrant is the fruit of the poisonous tree then evidence obtained from a warrant obtained with information that was the fruit of the poisonous tree makes it fruit from a normal tree that was injected with poison.  (Why am I getting an image of "I Claudius" and Ceasar's wife injecting poison into the fruit.
by maryb2004 on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:10:09 AM EST
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Oh, I get it. You're a liberal judge if you vote on the side of the Bill of Rights. What an absurd assumption by the WaPo writers

That statement is a thing of beuty...

Liberals: The protecters of the Constitution.

Liberals: Protecting the Bill of Rights and America's freedom.

Don't mock it. Make it a banner. Make it a battle cry.

But that is just me...

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 AT gmail DOT com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:26:02 AM EST
Thank you. I appreciate comments from you.  How can they toss out a hot word like "liberal" in an article that important?!

ALSO:  I AM ADDING NEW INFO to the piece as I get it, and get to think about it ... i'm not doing the typical UPDATE stuff because that can look confusing ... I'm just posting it.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:31:29 AM EST
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I just love it when the GOP talking points and frames come back to bite them in the ass.

The GOP media machine is so confused and sending all kinds of mixed messages. Do you think we broke it? :)

If we didn't, we still have another anvil likely to come  down on it soon with Fitz still on the go.

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 AT gmail DOT com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:41:25 AM EST
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I have a question for the scholars.

Is there any other provision for holding those offices accountable if Congress fails to act toward legitimate  impeachment?

by rumi on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:47:04 AM EST
Keep asking that question, Rumi. It's a good one.

juslilolme at Historical Footnotes
by starkravinglunaticradical (non) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 01:56:30 AM EST
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  I know we have our fair share of great scholars here. I also know that I'm not one of them but that's fine too. Someone will find a way.

by rumi on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 02:26:27 AM EST
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I just added quotes from the Washington Times column -- great stuff --

and how Cheney nailed himself today on CNN! (Don't miss it)

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:53:06 AM EST
We have every reason to be outraged.  Thanks for a great post.
by thorny1 (lthorntnATixDOTnetcomDOTcom) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 01:03:47 AM EST
Holey Moley Batman!

Fuck Fitzmas, looks like Quitsmas is just around the corner. hehehe,

juslilolme at Historical Footnotes

by starkravinglunaticradical (non) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 01:55:53 AM EST
was questioned on Nightline, Dec. 20. The answer, it is VERY important. This judge has a reputation for the utmost integrity.

The Nightline segment on Domestic Spying was excellent, unfortunately the transcript is not free. It ended with a constitution expert saying that Bush has committed a Federal Crime and an impeachable offense. Impeachment was stressed.

Even Colin Powell is asking publicly why Bush did not seek warrants after the fact within the 72 days set by FISA. The coverage of this astounding program tomorrow will be very interesting.

To thine own self be true. W.S.

by sybil on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 04:07:04 AM EST
This, together with the Abramoff story in the NYTimes, has GOT to affect the psyches of Republicans and Democrats on the Hill tomorrow.  Just in time for the big fight.
by maryb2004 on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 11:44:08 PM EST
Yeah, Abramoff is hoping to cut a deal if he testifies against "X"...

(Where X = most Republicans) lol

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 AT gmail DOT com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 01:01:00 AM EST
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My problem with this resignation, is that Judge Robertson will be replaced with a right-winger who will be in accord with Bush. While I admire his apparent principles, This is an action that is not likely to get much attention in the general populace, particularly since his comments were private.
by Kidspeak on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 11:51:34 PM EST
Sigh. That's true.  But it may resonate more than we know inside D.C., which is so insular in its news reception ... and this IS on page A1.  So when everyone totters out to pick up their paper in the wee hours tomorrow morning, that's what they'll see, and they'll be shocked.

(Elsewhere in America doesn't matter right now, I am guessing ... we want them to be freakin' out in D.C. though!)

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 11:58:33 PM EST
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It will all depend on the headline and lead paragraph.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:16:35 AM EST
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The print edition is different?

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:39:54 AM EST
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near as I remember.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:16:03 PM EST
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Yep, resignation was a mistake.  We need him where he was.  And I'm sure he knows this.  he must have been really, really disgusted.
by NorCalJim on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:38:00 AM EST
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Perhaps it is not a mistake. He may be insulating himself so he can make a living appearance in court?

And no, I didn't mean "live", I meant living.

Just look at the steps Rockefeller supposedly took to protect that letter? Getting out might make sense if he were going to testify to something.

Of course, that is pure speculation.

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 AT gmail DOT com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:45:50 AM EST
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If he was that disgusted he should have quit when it was happening.

by rumi on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:45:06 AM EST
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I wonder how much the judge knew and when.  It's possible he didn't know all the details till he read them in the NY Times.

We have not heard how much the "briefings" given to the Congress (or the FISA judges) contained.  Don't misunderestimate the WH ability to lie to just about everybody.

by glenj (glenjo yaya gmail dit com) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 04:43:46 AM EST
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I wonder what kind of restrictions he would have been bound by had he quit while this was going on? I also wonder if knew that the NYT had the story. What the NYT decided to do may have impacted what he felt he could do.

I'm of two minds: Yes he should have quit when it first happened but it would have had zero impact. His resignation now continues to drive the coverage.

How I wish this wasn't happening during the holiday season. But at least it isn't going away.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 08:10:10 AM EST
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  I did some more reading after I posted that. I wasn't as familiar with the Judge as I should have been. He was, or seemed to me to be a definite positive force in his decisions.

  I thought of the same question and I'm sure he would have bound to secrecy but it would have been a sign to others if he quit that something was wrong. At the same time though, he had been fighting BushCo all along on similar issues so maybe others might not have caught the significance of him quitting.

by rumi on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 09:33:01 AM EST
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I wasn't as familiar with the Judge as I should have been.

Hey now, don't be hard on yourself! This is a secret court we're talking about!

But that would have been something if he learned the 1) the NYT had the story and 2) that they were sitting on it. I can only imagine how "stuck" he must have felt, b/c if he uttered a peep, he'd have caught hell.

I'd never ask anyone to give up their career, and possibly their very freedom. I think it's brave if you do, but hey--that's nothing to screw around with.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 02:11:25 PM EST
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hey, thanks for that.

  The regret goes deeper down and to the place where relative innocence is found at the heart of all those 'terrorist support' confessions/convictions. I'm just one ordinary citizen but I feel as responsible as others should feel in regard to what's happened. I didn't follow their ordeals as closely as I should have. I lost sight of the light and assumed they were guilty, as most of us did.

  Maybe that's what happened to the Judge and when this came to light, he removed himself from that situation.

Have you seen this Diary
FISA, Wiretaps, Pretrial Execution and Impeachment

  My guess is that it came out that some of the FISA warrants were based on evidence that was either illegal, imaccurate or both. It ended in fatalties of American citizens in some cases, if true.

by rumi on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 03:25:11 PM EST
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& of course, by their fruits shall ye know them.
by wilderness wench on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:25:04 AM EST
and he is unrepentant and says he will continue doing the same.
Why isnt he being impeached immediately, or forced to resign?
I despair for the state my country is now in. The constitution, the rule of law, the so called checks and balances no longer seem to exist. When did the president assume the powers of an absolute monarch? What happened to the idea that the executive executes the laws passed by the legislature? This does not look like it will end in a way that is good for the country.
by observer393 on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 03:45:37 AM EST
I saw a brief clip of the George Stepinshit with Powell last evening and even George said afterwards that Powell seemed to by walking on a very thin line. It was clear to me however that Powell seemed deeply disturbed about the subject of lawlessness by this administration.

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.
by alohaleezy on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 06:52:09 AM EST
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"[N]ow we learn that there was some 'accidental' spying on communications that took place solely within the U.S."

This is the part that seems the most personal for myself, and each and everyone of us. After the Kashmir Earthquake, I contacted OXFAM in Britain, using their toll free number, to verify if I could send a check or if I had to have a bank convert a money order into the correct currency.  And, I really enjoy the news roundup on European Tribune by Fran in the European Breakfast/Brunch. Yes, I do post comments.

Since last Friday, I have been wondering if I have been given a terrorist designation by our Fascist Government because of these actions. I was willing to put in a FOIA, but discovered the cost could be prohibitive for me.

Then last night I discovered that Howard Dean had given ALL OF US a Christmas Present. The DNC is going to do the paper work and bear the cost of having a Class Action type FOIA sent and organized by them.

So for those who want to know, step right up, and add your name. If you can, I am sure Doctor Dean would appreciate a Christmas present from us, no matter how small...$5, $10...


"The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking the most often and in the loudest voice." Theodore Roosevelt.

by Grandma M on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:33:40 AM EST
This story is also front paged on Yahoo News.  Right now, it is only rated 3.5 stars, so pls click over and help rate it up.
by corncam on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 11:55:24 AM EST
DONE!

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:25:34 PM EST
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