Booman Tribune

Zombie Protest

by Madman in the Marketplace
Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:35:56 PM EST

[From the diaries by susanhu. This is must-see television, everyone who's seen it tells me. This weekend, Showtime is free, so you can watch it. There's a new episode tonight. But I want to see last night's. Anyone know the name of Friday night's episode and when it will be reaired?]

Cross-posted at Liberal Street Fighter

"He feels it, Kurt, you see? He feels pain. "

Kurt replies, "ah hell, he volunteered."

I can't believe what I'm watching.

Homecoming, Joe Dante's entry into Showtime's Masters of Horror, is a black humored takedown of Bush's criminal war, the media and the religious right. Basically, a winger advisor comes up with the bright idea that he wishes dead soldiers could come back to tell peaceniks that they died for a worthy cause.

Dead soldiers burst out of their coffins at Dover. One shows up at his polling place for early voting, casts a ballot, then drops dead again. The Republicans, arrogantly assuming that the soldiers would vote for them, make jokes about how the Democrats used to get the dead to vote in Chicago.

(live on cable news, a zombie trooper confronts the President)
Zombie Sergent: "Have you ever seen men get killed?"

Candidate: "No, I had a medical ... uh ..."

Sergent: "I seen men get killed, sir, for a lie.
... women and children killed, for a lie.
I've seen my friends killed, for a lie.
I was killed, for a lie."

Candidate: "What is it you want, um, sergent?"

Sergent: "We want to vote. We will vote for anyone who will vote for the end of this evil war."

We watch ministers and an Ann Coulter analogue flip flop and lie. We watch a Presidential Advisor muse about how valuable undead soldiers could be. We watch a kindly a kindly diner owner and his wife thank a zombie troop for his service.

This movie is fucking brilliant. It is both low-brow and incisive. Jokes are tossed in about Florida, bad cable news. As the reviewer in the Village Voice put it:

At once galvanic and cathartic, Dante's film uncorks the rage that despondent progressives promptly suppressed after last year's election and that has only recently been allowed to color mainstream coverage of presidential untruths and debacles. For all its broad, bludgeoning satire, Homecoming is deadly accurate in skewering the callousness and hypocrisy of the Bush White House and the spin industry in its orbit.

There's even a Cindy Sheehan analogue, a part that was written before she even appeared to begin her protest. The Republicans hold her hostage to get her dead son to support them. What happens after that I'll leave you to see for yourself.

This is well worth watching and supporting. It is a welcome stab at the quietude of the entertainment business in this country. As Fangoria notes (in a four skull review):

Yes, Dante is back in horror-satire mode, and this time he and screenwriter Sam Hamm (adapting the short story “Death and Suffrage” by Dale Bailey) are directly taking on a target that the rest of TV-drama-land and mainstream Hollywood has heretofore largely danced around. The result is as pointed, clever and blackly amusing as anything the genre has seen in ages, a perfect example of horror’s ability to address subjects too touchy to deal with in other genres. It also takes the political subtext of George A. Romero’s DEAD series and puts it right up in the forefront, without becoming preachy with its message. Dante and Hamm manage the tricky balancing act of shining a harsh light on current events without losing sight of the fact that they’re telling a horror story first and foremost.

Hamm’s script takes place in the near future, specifically 2008, when a certain Republican president is running for re-election and a war he duped the nation into fighting still rages on. The central characters are campaign consultant David Murch (Jon Tenney) and right-wing author Jane Cleaver (Thea Gill), who has written a popular book attacking the “radical left”—any resemblance to Ann Coulter is, uh, purely coincidental. After meeting on a dead-on parody of a issues-oriented talk show (Terry David Mulligan is perfect as the host), the two find themselves politically and romantically attracted—but their world is shaken up when the dead begin returning to life. Not all the deceased, mind you—just those who were killed in that particular overseas combat, and they’ve got a particular—pardon the pun—ax to grind. It’s an extrapolation of the Vietnam-era ghoul film DEATHDREAM to the nth degree—the image of the first revived corpse pushing his way out from under the Stars and Stripes that cover his casket is the most pointed and arresting image the genre has recently offered.[...]

As the film goes on and we learn more about the characters (particularly Murch), HOMECOMING’s antiwar message gains new levels of resonance, and it comes to a stirring and completely apt conclusion that perfectly ties up the assorted story threads. And even though horror fans are the species of television viewer least likely to be conservative, you don’t get a sense of preaching to the converted here; the writing and filmmaking are so sharp, even some red-staters might respond to the material. For the second year in a row, a satirical zombie project stacks up as the year’s best horror production ...

If you get the chance, watch it. Share it with friends. You'll love the ending. Pop culture protest at its best.



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It accomplished its goal of bringing out emotions from deep within.  They died when they did not have to die, because of a lie.

The deep moans and groans from Arlington as they all rose up tore our hearts out.  

It was an offensive film, it was meant to be offensive.  You can't be nice about this offensive war anymore.  There has been too much spin.

I hate horror movies, but hubby and I watched every moment of this one.  It made me cry, it made me angry.  It allowed me to really feel the anger through the years of war.

by floridagal on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:49:33 PM EST
and I see that the image at the top of the story has really upset a couple of folks here.

I am sorry that it upset you.

However, in a culture that is one of the most violent in the world, I have to wonder. Some say that the imagery drives this violence, but that just doesn't seem right to me. It seems to me that we hide death, hide violence away. For many of us, the only images of death we see are cartoonish ones in the media and heavily made up husks in a coffin. That's it.

Art like the Dante film tries, using that self-same imagery, to break thru the scrim we try to use to hide the consequences of the things we as a people do. It's what RubDMC tries to do w/ his/her diaries. It's GOAL is to upset, as opposed to something like the Terminator films, say, or Grand Theft Auto. Those seek only to incite a response (which I personally have no problem with either).

We can't and shouldn't look away, and I thought that bit of Hollywood makeup coupled with the quote that went w/ that scene demonstrated perfectly the tone and direction of "Homecoming".

For those it's hurt, I'm sorry it did.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 10:42:41 AM EST
One of those moments where I wish I got Showtime. Does look like an interesting flick!
by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:46:18 AM EST
James, if you have cable at all, Showtime is FREE this weekend! And I believe the show repeats tonight..

And yes, you really, truly must watch it. I couldn't believe it either...

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:51:56 PM EST
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Thank you, oh thank you!

I had gotten rid of Showtime because they had some sucky films and docs on, but now they come out with the artillery?!

Thank you!

An untypical Negro

http://thisblksistaspage.wordpress.com

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:57:53 PM EST
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I reluctantly got Showtime so I could get Sundance ... but -- LO AND BEHOLD! -- there are some good series on Showtime. Two of them:

  1. HUFF, which starts its second season soon, so its first season should be replaying soon.  Stars Hank Azaria as a psychiatrist, Blythe Danner as his quirky mother, Oliver Platt as his best friend who's a high-powered insane attorney.  It's awfully good.  It's Six-Feet-Under-ish.

  2. WEEDS, a hilarious comedy/drama about an upper-middle-class widow who has to sell marijuana to maintain her lifestyle.  Starring the great Mary Louise Parker.  (The humor is off the wall -- they make fun of everything -- a la South Park.)


Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:05:37 PM EST
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What passes for cable is a freebee through the university (one nice thing about faculty housing), and I haven't seen any Showtime promos going on this weekend. Looks like I'll be missing the first run.

If someone would be willing to send a videotape, email me, and I'll gladly compensate for tape and mailing expenses.

by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:30:58 PM EST
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And this is the same channel that aired the Bush 9/11 myth starring Timothy Bottoms?  Didn't that movie contain some completely over the top Old West dialogue like "turn this plane around..."
by Swoof on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 04:15:37 AM EST
LOL

That is a "edited" Kerry poster...

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 06:06:28 AM EST
I cried like a baby at the end of this movie. Just blubbered away with grief that so many have died for no just cause. So even tho it didn't scare me once this was the purest horror movie I've ever seen.
by sjct on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 08:01:43 AM EST
It was the plaintive way that the mother of the main character kept asking if her dead son would come back the way the neighbor's son had that got to me. Oh, and the zombie that walked toward the MP in the airline hanger, patted him on the shoulder and said "at ease, soldier."

It definitely wasn't one of those jump-out-of-your-chair horror movies, but there were momments that were pretty gross.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 11:52:04 AM EST
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I mean, it really was a satirical, at times over the top zombie movie, but still it managed to make the point of how wasteful this war has been...the soldiers coming out of their coffins at Dover really got me.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:53:32 PM EST
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  I can't believe we haven't heard about this yet on any of the pro-Conservative media outlets. It sounds like the outrage will be coming. I'll pick up Showtime just for this. Thanks.

by rumi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 09:40:37 AM EST
they were showing the toll free number at the bottom of the screen, so maybe there is a "free trial" weekend going or something.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott
by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 11:48:44 AM EST
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The wingnuts are absolutely gonna do a screaming flip-out when they see this...it really is the most out-and-out attack on Bush and the war that you can imagine.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:55:10 PM EST
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Are they not dwindling in number if not in stupidity and ferocity?

Grandma Jo
by glitterscale (glitteryscale@yahoo.com) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:58:59 PM EST
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Thanks Madman,

Wingnuts (none / 0)
Are they not dwindling in number if not in stupidity and ferocity?

  Yeah, they certainly are but I think that they believe  there are lines of perceived decency that they feel shouldn't be crossed.

  It sounds like this crosses at least 10 of them.
 

by rumi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:23:15 PM EST
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it truly grosses me out to look at that picture.  But I love the story line - if the ones who paid the price could speak their piece what would they say?  If they                                              know what they know before and after death would they have changed their hearts or minds in the transition?

Grandma Jo
by glitterscale (glitteryscale@yahoo.com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 10:52:02 AM EST
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Wow, What a great, funny and I hope poignant premise.
by Stu Piddy on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 11:22:17 AM EST
Yeah, I watched that last night. Funny. I don't get showtime but my satellite provider was doing a weekend freebie so I was channel flipping and found it. A straight out condemnation of the Bush administration and it's ghoulish attitudes and policies.

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:23:44 PM EST
GREAT show!  And Showtime is free this weekend in some areas.  Homecoming is on again today at 10:30 Eastern, 7:30 Pacific.

Nothing like a little biting zombie satire, eh?

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!

by Mj Oregon on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:30:05 PM EST
Thanks for the time alert for the Pacific time...

I too had let Showtime go (sometime ago, it all add$ up) and will catch it unscrambled... ;)

by Marisacat (Marisacat@aol.com) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:16:37 PM EST
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Considering what you have showed and said so far, I definitely would not want to see that. Pretty disgusting using human pain and torturous images for your pop cultures entertainment satisfaction, when it's clearly referring to dead serious issues.

Pretty degrading. I don't think we need Zombie protest, we need dead serious protest and not be destracted by people who think they are "great" because they make a "cool movies".

by mimi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:48:01 PM EST
Mimi, it IS a serious protest, using zombies as metaphor. Really.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:53:55 PM EST
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Frankly, mimi, I share your disinterest in the film & generally agree with your take on it, though we may be in the minority here.

I'm guessing that my own attitude comes at least partly from the fact that I've basically avoided tv & 'big film' for the past two decades -- so I'm hardly inured to graphic depictions of mutilation & death as pictured above, regardless of the overall message conveyed (or attempted) in the use of this imagery. There is a rather desensitizing aspect to it all, imo, that I'd rather not risk.

(Disclaimer: I've also suffered recurrent flashbacks regarding graphic violence in 'entertainment' in the course of serious mental breakdown.)

To each his own, of course. It's a matter of cultural modernity & a pervasive sense of irony as an entertainment value (which I believe came in with Ronald Reagan).  

by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:21:02 PM EST
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WW, there's violence here, so you might want to avoid on those grounds alone. My POV: I'm not a "big movie" person either, and I'm not particularly a fan of horror films. But this one was, I thought, emotionally affecting as well as satiric. I'll just mention the scene at Dover AF Base as something that got me.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:25:51 PM EST
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Thank you for your thoughtful comment on this. In any case, my opportunities to see the film are probably limited by the fact that it's at least four miles to the nearest tube!
by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:32:28 PM EST
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You're welcome!

And as one reviewer said, it's hardly satiric in its treatment of the Bush Administration.

Three words: "zombie voter fraud."

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:33:54 PM EST
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Does this refer to the deceased who supposedly voted GOP in '04? </hearsay>
by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:07:30 PM EST
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Oh, it's better than that, but I don't want to give a plot spoiler...

You can distill the message of this film down to: The soldiers died for Bush's lies. The administration wants hide their deaths from us, for us to not think about their sacrifice. But the dead won't stay dead.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:10:10 PM EST
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actually, it is part of the plot of the movie. To say too much more would be a spoiler for those who haven't seen it.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott
by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:10:43 PM EST
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  I can only imagine what they did with burying the Diebold issues.

by rumi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:28:57 PM EST
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I have difficulties looking at bodies with cut-off limbs. The follow me around for weeks if not years.

There was a very good and beautifully made film whose title I have forgotten, but I think it was "Snowflakes". A Japanese-American love story during the war, ok, I have forgotten everything about the movie aside from the fact that it had superb camera shots and cuts with amazing images and beautifully acting. A very truthful, realistic, but calm and strong film. There was a short second clip about how an arm was cut off from a wounded person. It actually was so short it was clear that it was not intended to "abuse" the scene for the effect of violence. It was the most sensible cut. I couldn't get rid of that image for years. Later on I read commentaries and reviews that proved that the effects of those camera cuts and clips were as profound on other viewers too.

I know it's me but I am not good at watching gross horror scenes. May be I try, if I hear more people recommending the film, but usually I hate movies that abuse horrors of wars for the effects.

by mimi on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:27:57 AM EST
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May be it's my father from the grave calling in. He had to cut off his arm almost by himself during WWII and had post traumatic stress syndroms for over 15 years, when I was still a child. Recurring nightmare dreams about the scene in a Rumanian/Russian camp, where they startet digging his grave, because he was not supposed to survive the aftermath of the bombs attacks that blew off his arm almost completely.

The arm was hanging around for over three days or so and he was going to die from blood poisoning. When he realized that he would die if the arm woulnd't be amputated (no doctors, no anesthesias around) he made the biggest spectacle of his life to get people to help him cut off his arm. I can only judge by the screams during his nightmare dreams years later - for almost 14 years - how that must have been.

So, the photo shown upthread is nothing what I can look at casually.

by mimi on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:36:42 AM EST
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 Thanks for sharing that. I can't possibly comprehend the depth of that pain. I'm sorry your family and you had to endure that suffering.

by rumi on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 10:45:09 AM EST
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I'm also aware that it's impossible to judge any creative work without actually seeing it.
by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:28:33 PM EST
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It is definitely a "low" form of art, blunt and direct. Nothing new, and I personally think there is too little of it.

Mark Twain and Shakespear were accused of being crude and lowering "important" things (not that I'm equating them, b/c I'm not), but it is often the course image and the uncomfortable laugh and the broad characature that skewer to powerful most completely. As Dante says in the Voice piece:

"If you're going to code the message, which is the way horror movies have always done it, that's fine, but it's not going to reach an audience like a movie that's overt, and this is not exactly subtle," says Dante. "Somebody has to start making this kind of movie, this kind of statement. But everybody's afraid—it's uncommercial, people are going to be upset. Good, let them be upset. Why aren't people upset? Every minute, somebody's dying in this war, and for nothing. To establish a religious theocracy in Iraq? It doesn't seem to me quite worth it."


"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott
by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:34:52 PM EST
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  This is the effect that's needed to get people's attention. Nice, polite discussion is productive when it's not ignored but a statement that goes over the top  demands awareness of the issues.

  People (the majority of which are likely innocent) have been blown to splatter on a daily basis since this all started but the tasteful MSM carefully avoids that description. They have enabled the grotesque killing by staying away from it's reality.

  The outrage should be against enabling it to continue.

by rumi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:46:07 PM EST
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I assume that going 'over the top' in this case regards the questioning of public policy & leadership, rather than graphic imagery -- as this type of imagery is pretty common by now.

I'm referring to the use of imagery alone in my posts, not the cumulative political/artistic statement (which can be variable or non-existent in graphic works, naturally).

by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:03:59 PM EST
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  I was thinking that going over the top in this case is the representation of the lost military people in a way that appears to be disrespectful or offensive to some.

  I agree with you that the graphic images are common but the difference is the reality behind their cause. We don't show the flag draped coffins returning supposedly because of sensitivity to the families of those lost. Saving Private Ryan was refused by many broadcasters on the regular airwaves due to concerns of fines by the FCC. Those are examples of the top that's gone over, in my opinion.

by rumi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:11:53 PM EST
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Some people will definitely be offended. But I think ultimately the film is completely respectful towards soldiers.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:15:29 PM EST
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  From what I've seen discussed, I agree that it is. Liberals and Conservatives have that basic difference in what shows respect. I think ignoring the flag-draped coffins is completely disrespectful while most Conservatives would say the opposite. Stop-loss orders that keep 'weekend warriors' in Iraq a few days too long is a lack of respect for life and service. The opposite would say it's a necessary tool in honorable service and a just cause for dying.

  I think addressing the hipocracy and deception in policy is worthy of the shock value used to base it in reality.

by rumi on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:26:32 PM EST
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Absolutely agreed on all points.

Re shock value & addressing actualities, one only hopes that it's effective, that the message isn't obscured by the method. This is where artistry matters.

by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:59:48 PM EST
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ah, you know, I think these days there are too many of such over the top films. People are overly aware of the issues. You can't even escape the issues anymore. TV forces you to immerse in them 24/7. Even if those movies are intended to cut through all the other propaganda news reporting and tell the truth bluntly and directly, they are nevertheless part of an industry like any other. They are consumed like drugs almost. The effect of those movies come to an end. Overfed.
by mimi on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:46:14 AM EST
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Thank you for citing the quote, which adds to my understanding of the purpose of the 'blunt instrument' of certain forms of entertainment as Dante sees it.

I'm in full agreement regarding the value of the 'blunt instrument' against individual complacency/willful ignorance regarding the actuality of suffering & the manifestations of ultimate power. After all, I'm a prime fan of the work of William S. Burroughs, whose general artistic purpose was the same & whose work definitely inspired critical accusations of brainless obscenity (before it was deemed the product of visionary intellectual genius by the progressive literary community at large).

Personally, as to the actualities of the disgraceful  tragedy instituted by the true obscenity of US 'policy' in Iraq, I can't seem to avoid becoming 'upset' as a matter of daily habit ..  

by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:53:01 PM EST
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speaking of Burroughs, "A Thanksgiving Prayer".

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott
by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:09:25 PM EST
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Will check it out when I've shed my dial-up issues ..
by wilderness wench on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 04:23:42 PM EST
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tonight's showing is the same one, susan. It's one episode in an anthology series (which have been pretty uneven ... ).

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott
by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:49:32 PM EST
That's not what Showtime's site said.

http://www.sho.com

I am stressed about this.  I need to see last night's episode! :)

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:54:16 PM EST
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same time on Pacific Coast, not earlier.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:54:53 PM EST
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Are you sure it's the same one as last night?  I'm having an anxiety attack about this because I'm so upset with myself for not taping it last night while I was dealing with BooTrib site issues.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:07:52 PM EST
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that's what my yahoo channel guide says...and I can't imagine they'd show two new episodes back to back.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:09:56 PM EST
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You're correct.  I got a chance to check Sho.com's site schedule.  

It's on after the live Eminem concert tonight,  At 10:30pm... so I guess that's 7;30pm for us.  

Eminem's live concert is on earlier tonight ... then this:

SYNOPSIS:
Political satire from writer Sam Hamm and director Joe Dante in which the country is gripped with terror when it is discovered that zombies have swayed a presidential election.

UPCOMING AIRDATES:
Click on the airtime below if you would like an email reminder to watch. All times ET/PT.

Showtime
Today
10:30 PM

Showtime Too
Thursday
1:00 AM

Showtime
Friday
11:00 PM

Showtime
Dec 10
1:00 AM

Showtime
Dec 11
1:00 AM

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:28:07 PM EST
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NO - IT'S STILL 10:30 PM ON THE WEST COAST!

At least that's what my personalized Yahoo Channel guide says.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:32:12 PM EST
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It all gets so confusing with these time zones and the habit of posting most times as ET.

I do have both SHO West Coast and East Coast so I should be able to watch it at 7:30 on the east coast feed.  (I do that for HBO shows too -- in fact, when Deadwood was on, I'd tape it at 6pm PT via the east coast feed, and Darcy would drive over to pick up the tape from me ... I tape shows for a lot of people, and she's first on the food chain.)

BTW:  If any of you can't see it, and are willing to wait, I will tape it tonight and -- after a couple others have seen it -- we can mail the tape to you.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:47:43 PM EST
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And I apologize for getting confused about this.  I stress because I've missed some really great shows after getting the time zone mixed up :(  Sorry to be a pill about it.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:48:33 PM EST
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Saw it last night. Didn't like it because I thought it was too obvious and the acting wasn't (IMO) very good. Masters of Horror started off pretty good, but each episode has progressively grown worse as they aired (again, MO). I guess my complaint is that I tuned in to watch a horror movie, not a comedic political statement about the Iraq war. I know it said something people here want to see, but it wasn't horror - nor masterful filmmaking. Feh.

Anyway, according to the schedule at www.sho.com that episode should re-air tonight at 10:30pm. --M

 

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by maynard (maynard(at)n0sp^m_jmgDOTcom) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 01:50:48 PM EST
The acting wasn't subtle, and neither was the film. But I'm with the Village Voice reviewer - I found it cathartic.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:02:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
whoops, hit "post" too soon. I thought the film channeled a lot of rage, rage that I certainly feel when I contemplate this war.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:03:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dante's stuff is always a satirical/farcical take on horror ideas. I thought this was the best one since the first ep (Incident on a Mountain Road).

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott
by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:22:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just dawned on me that this'd be a good thread to ask you to welcome our new advertiser, NetFLIX.  

Before we got their ads, we checked -- and BuyBlue.org says that Netflix is a blue company.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 02:50:18 PM EST
by Buffalo Girl on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 03:34:29 PM EST
good interview.

KoZ: One oddity we noticed. Although the episode itself is, as we’ve described it in the past, “aggressively Zemblan,” there is no one in the cast who espouses an identifiably liberal viewpoint. For that matter, there are no Democrats; we never get to see the opposition party’s response to the “Formerly Deceased Veterans.” Was this a conscious decision, and if so, what does it imply?

DANTE: Well, look around--there are no Democrats! At least damn few worth the name. For that matter, I don't see many real Republicans in the classic sense. Conservatism: "to conserve" ! Guess that went out with Barry Goldwater. Anyway, when I introduced the film at the Turin Festival, I told them it was a horror story because all the main characters were Republicans, which was admittedly pretty glib, but it's true that the events are almost entirely seen from the viewpoint of people in the administration--but when the lead character played by Jon Tenney registers the meaning of what's happening, he does the right thing. So it's a humanized portrait of that vanishing breed, the Republican with a conscience.

and, re: the lowbrow nature of the movie:

DANTE: There is a horror comic quality to the images, which was done in part to get around the limited budget (you can have three zombies for this scene, but two can only have makeup on one side of their faces). Again, it's a ten-day movie, so it's a quick sketch with areas to be filled in by the viewer.

Look, the horror conventions in "Homecoming" are pretty conventional; I bet it's one of the least "scary" of the MOH series. The horror in this one comes from the real-world parallels.

KoZ: To follow up on the previous question: for the last few horrific years, we’ve felt that we were living in an EC Comic, with one major difference. EC Comics, like the Judeo-Christian faith, offer the soothing reassurance that bad people will eventually receive their just deserts. In real life, however, that hasn’t been the case for Bush et al: “accountability moments” have come and gone. Now that public opinion seems to be turning against the Bush administration, do you see retribution on the horizon? And can popular entertainment, like “Homecoming,” help speed it along?

DANTE: Hah! If movies could really change the world, we would have all disarmed after STRANGELOVE.

And now with the country so split ideologically it's become riskier for films/tv to take a stand and risk alienating the customers. And don't misunderestimate these guys...they may be down today, but they're not out. They have the media (as Ms Coulter has reminded us) and despite their almost unbroken record of jaw-dropping incompetence in nearly every area, they still know how to play the Rubes.

If our cut-rate zombie movie can make even one Bushevic question their beliefs it'll have been worth making. Sam and I look at it as kind of an act of patriotism, actually.

The whole thing is well-worth reading.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Sat Dec 3rd, 2005 at 07:36:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I missed the earlier airings, but just checked and it looks like it's about to air again in just a few minutes. I'm glad I didn't completely miss it! I just thought I'd mention this in case anyone else missed it too.
by TripleJ63 on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:30:59 AM EST
I don't care to watch tv or get all excited about it but if it's your thing have at it. But do you have to post graphic shit like that on the front page? I have to agree with mimi that it follows me around for days-guess I haven't been properly indoctrinated in gore-loving.

'soup
by homemadesoup (homitsuatyahoodotcom) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:51:00 AM EST
Again, this is just me...but I thought the graphic gore made sense. Because this is what's happening to the men and women who are dying or wounded in this war. They are mutilated. They lose limbs. Sacrificed for nothing.

What's on the front page is just Hollywood artistry. It only represents the awful reality.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:04:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm perfectly aware of what happens in war, being an adult and all-so what's it doing on the front page of this blog where those of us who have PTSD can come across it by accident? Thanks for shoving your version of reality in our faces-most times in diaries there's a warning. And fuck hollywood-they couldn't get it right if they tried.

'soup
by homemadesoup (homitsuatyahoodotcom) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:18:26 AM EST
Sorry, I intended no offense.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai
by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:21:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And also, I was careful to state that this was just my opinion. I am not "shoving my reality" into anyone's face. I didn't post the photo. I was defending the decision to do so.

You know, most of the time on this site people are respectful and discuss things rather than fling accusations.  

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:25:31 AM EST
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Look do you or susan or whoever have any idea what the sight of stuff like that can do to a person? I guess not or you'd figure out why I'm so totally hostile and irrational about it. Maybe we should all just "get over it". Do you or susan or whoever realize that post traumatic stress issues actually get worse with age? Not only is there no getting over it there's often a reversal of improvement. Why not have "Warning-Graphic Images" like other posts? Is it because booman isn't here?
I deny the validity that tv or movies can show "how it really is". Do most people see murders, dismemberment, rapes, etc. in their daily lives? The real zombies are the ones who eat this stuff up.

'soup
by homemadesoup (homitsuatyahoodotcom) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:05:12 AM EST
Here's the thing. If you're hostile and irrational (by your own words), then I'm probably not going to learn from you, because I'm going to react defensively. I do my best to avoid attacks in my comments, and I want to learn. But if you attack me, for whatever good reasons you may have, for whatever circumstances in your past, that, by the way I don't know anything about, how do you expect me to react? What do you know about me and my life and my past and my circumstances?

Well, nothing, actually. You only know what I've said here, and I only know the same thing about you. And given the nature of those internets, neither of us knows for sure that we aren't both full of shit.

I never said that this movie showed "how it really is." In fact I said the opposite. That it was a Hollywood representation, not reality. I mean, last time I looked, zombies were not marching on D.C. I thought it was an effective comment on our current political reality. A satire. And moving in a weird way.

All of that said, I appreciate your point of view, that the image is disturbing to some and that it's debatable whether it should be on the front page of a blog. So, fine. Let's debate it.

I can't speak for Susan, but I'm sure she'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:26:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I am very sensitive what photos I put up on the front page -- or even inside any story or diary that I write.

My main worry is not that I'll upset people -- because the vast majority of people need to be made upset, and become outraged, a lot more than they are -- but that it may sensationalize the issue.

Well, lo and behold, a filmmaker takes sensationalism and turns it on itself.

Also:  This photo is so "over the top" and clearly stated to be from a horror film that the normal rules don't apply.

For one thing:  If injured that severely, no U.S. soldier would look like that -- they have clean bandages, their limb stubs wouldn't be exposed, they wouldn't be strapped down on a flat gurney, there would be IVs and in the background a clean hospital or ICU room, and they'd be surrounded by nurses and physicians.  

So, the photo depicts a scene that is recognizably unreal ... i.e., the world of a fictional zombie.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:28:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Unfortunately, there are situations, and indeed hospitals, where the bandages are not clean and where supplies are not available to provide intravenous medicines and such. Many of us have seen photographs of same even if we have not experienced them ourselves.

In my opinion, you are just sensationalizing your post by using a photograph which sensationalizes the TV production you are posting about. I wish people wouldn't use images of human indignities and suffering to promote, draw attention to, or decorate their endeavors, especially those images that are so clearly evocative of the great pain and suffering that is caused by this insane war in Iraq.

by WeHoldTheseTruths on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:55:29 PM EST
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Helluva degraded culture that has people apologizing or being called upon to explain themselves for seeing  picture like this as being very sick.

I'm disappointed to see this picture posted on the "front page" here with no warning. Just as I was disappointed (and sickened) to visit, some 30 years ago, a neighborhood where I had lived as a child in my country of birth, the USA, and find newspaper vending machines (I don't know what they are called - you put coins in and lift up the clear plastic cover to take a paper) containing pornographic "newspapers" (dunno what they are called either) on every corner near the supermarket and dry cleaners.

Is there ever a situation in which it is sensible to utter the words, "What is WRONG with you people anyway? Have you gone mad?"

"The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at. First, that the influence of home is obstructive. Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten. Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective. Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity. But I anticipate. It is for future scientists to make these maxims precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black, and how much less it would cost to make them believe it is dark gray."  (1951)

I don't mean to be attacking anyone personally (except those who degrade us intentionally). I simply deplore how we have been victimized and manipulated and dehumanized. Humanity can do so much better than what we are all doing lately.

by WeHoldTheseTruths on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 05:36:33 AM EST
Helluva degraded culture that has people apologizing or being called upon to explain themselves for seeing  picture like this as being very sick

Nowhere on this page did anyone ask for an apology of this sort.

I objected to what I felt was an inaccurate accusation made of me. I had apologized for any inadvertant offense prior to that. I did not ask for an apology.

And I'm gonna apologize for even bringing this up again, but sometimes it just really irks me when I feel like what I've said is distorted and/or misrepresented.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:32:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was talking about the qualities of the fishtank, not the fish who live in it or what they did or said.

More to the point, I did not have you or your comments in mind when I wrote my comment. I was, rather, sympathetically contemplating how consensus reality and popular opinion block, mold and pervert our natural human creative impulses.

The term "Satanic" should be understood as controlled in its practical meaning as expressing a vicious form of practice of denial of the individual person's likeness to the Creator. Every person's life is therefore sacred. The Beast-Man behavior of captors in U.S.-run prisons in Iraq, is an example of people, those captors, as like Nazi concentration-camp guards, captors self-degraded into the likeness of inhuman predatory beasts. Similarly, the widespread attempt to interpret the U.S. Federal Constitution as a body of "contract law," especially among those mentally crippled by the burdensome tradition of the U.S. Confederacy, such as the radical "dictionary positivist" and U.S. Associate Justice Antonin Scalia, is an expression of that quality of the "Satanic," the degradation of human beings to the rank of property (e.g., "shareholder interest"). The treatment of any human being as a subject of "shareholder value" (i.e., Lockean property), as the current practice of the 1973 overturn of the Hill-Burton legislation by the HMO "reform," is therefore an implicitly Satanic mode of behavior. This Satanic quality is the characteristic feature of such evil British Fabian Society celebrities as H.G. Wells, Bertrand Russell, their crony Aleister Crowley, and their sorcerer's apprentices Aldous and Julian Huxley. The pollution of the U.S. by the relevant influences of Wells, Russell, et al., has become an expression of a Satanic influence in U.S. intellectual and other behavior.

The irony is that I, or the writer of those words be the ones who are considered "over the top" in the context of our present cultural setting.

by WeHoldTheseTruths on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 08:52:56 PM EST
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I think the "Horror flick" is a must see, for those who consider the validity of those recommending it. Anyone disturbed by it, should be. It`s disturbing to me to have people attacking someones` opinion. I thought it was very good. It`s a movie with a message that all of us should get. It`s not about disrespect for the dead. I`ve recommended it to all my friends.

The difference between theists and atheists is that the atheists don't set the theists on fire for refusing to agree with them.
by KNUCKLEHEAD on Tue Dec 6th, 2005 at 12:42:12 AM EST


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