Booman Tribune

These Are Dark Times: Newsweek & the Koran

by BooMan
Tue May 17th, 2005 at 07:48:07 AM EST


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A BoomanTribune exclusive investigative project

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By Martin Longman (BooMan) and SusanHu (SusanHu)
Reprinted at Daily Kos and MyDD

These are dark times. Our government has engaged in acts so vile, so inhumane, and so shameful, that we cannot allow the truth to be published without it causing an international crisis.

When Newsweek published an account that “interrogators, in an attempt to rattle suspects, flushed a Qur'an down a toilet and led a detainee around with a collar and dog leash”, they were not breaking any news.

Accounts of this sort have been in the public square for over two years (see below).

The only novelty to Newsweek’s report was that a ‘senior U.S. government official’, who was knowledgeable about Southern Command’s investigation into Gitmo abuse, verified it. This anonymous source has since backtracked on a very specific aspect of the story.

On Saturday, Isikoff spoke to his original source, the senior government official, who said that he clearly recalled reading investigative reports about mishandling the Qur'an, including a toilet incident. But the official, still speaking anonymously, could no longer be sure that these concerns had surfaced in the SouthCom report.
Newsweek: Evan Thomas

The source is no longer sure that he read accounts of Qur’anic desecration in the Southern Command report. But he still remembers reading about Qur’anic desecration. It would be interesting to know whether the source read those ‘investigative reports’ in other official government documents, or in the variety of newspapers and magazines that have reported on this issue since 2002.

It’s not hard to find these accounts. A simple Google search will do.

But I took the extra step today of contacting an attorney that is representing over ten Guantánamo detainees. He works for a prominent, private, Washington, D.C. law firm, and has visited Guantánamo four times since late last year. All of his clients share the same nationality and, partly for this reason, all of his clients have been kept in complete isolation from each other.

Seeing his clients is not easy. First of all, it requires a week’s stay in barracks to meet with all his clients for a sufficient amount of time. The barracks are located on the other side of the base from the camps, and the two and half-hour transit time involves a bus and a ferry.

He must prepare, in advance, a list of which clients he wishes to see, and in what order. Once, he was told that the guards could not locate one of his clients.

He meets with his clients one-by-one, never in groups. The detainees have had no contact with each other, and no opportunity to collaborate on false allegations of abuse.

I asked him, “Have you heard any accounts of Qur’anic desecration?”

He replied, “Yes, two detainees told me completely independently that they had witnessed a Qur’an being thrown in the toilet. Another told me that he had witnessed a Qur’an being stomped on. And another told me he had witnessed a Qur’an being urinated on.”

He continued, “Most disturbances, like hunger strikes, have been over religious issues, like non-Muslims handling the Koran.” I asked how the guards were supposed to supply Qur’ans to the detainees without handling them? He told me that the Muslim chaplains could provide this service, but there were fewer and fewer chaplains available.

I am aware that anonymous sources are part of the controversy over the Newsweek article, so I called Tina Foster of the Counsel for the Center for Constitutional Rights' Guantánamo Global Justice Initiative. The GGJI is a new litigation and advocacy project, introduced on April 12, 2005, "dedicated to challenging rendition, arbitrary detention, and interrogation under torture committed as part of the United States’ global 'war on terror'".

Ms. Foster’s group is co-counsel for many of the Guantánamo detainees, and they have a ‘bird’s eye view’ of the allegations coming out of Gitmo. I asked her if she had heard of reports of Qur’anic desecration. She replied, “It’s one of a panoply of abuses that have occurred at Guantánamo, reported over and over again, both to counsel and by releasees.”

I asked her what she thought of the allegations made in the Newsweek article. She told me, “They have been repeatedly confirmed. We have heard allegations of ‘tossing’ based on religious beliefs, shaving of beards, prisoners being made to wear short pants, or having their pants taken away from them, not having the proper clothes given to them that are appropriate for prayer.”

Both sources took the same path in our conversations. First they confirmed that there were multiple independent allegations of Qur’anic desecration coming from Gitmo detainees; then they framed this outrage in the context of a more general program of religious humiliation.

My anonymous source told me that his clients were punished by the loss of showering privileges, the withholding of soap, and the removal of water basins used for ablution.

He also claimed his firm tried to provide their clients with books on Tafsîr. Tafsîr, or ‘exegesis’, of the Qur'ân is considered the most important ‘science’ for Muslims.

"All matters concerning the Islamic way of life are connected to it in one sense or another since the right application of Islam is based on proper understanding of the guidance from Allah. Without tafsîr there would be no right understanding of various passages of the Qur'ân."
Islamic Awareness.

The government refused, without explanation, to allow books on Tafsîr. I asked Ms. Foster about this and she told me, “As a general matter it has been extremely difficult to get them reading materials, particularly in their own language.”

The D.C. lawyer also alleged that one of the Administrative Review Board’s criteria for deeming a detainee too dangerous to release was whether or not they prayed in their cell. You pray, you stay.

[As an aside, he also mentioned that "excessive anti-Bush sentiments" were considered grounds for denying release.]

Asked about this, Ms. Foster was so skeptical about the ARB’s that she questioned whether they use “any rational criteria at all.”

Taking all of this into consideration, how should we view Newsweek and their anonymous source? How should we view the rhetoric coming from the Pentagon and the right-wing blogosphere?

"People are dead because of what this son of a bitch said."
-Pentagon spokesman, Lawrence DiRita

"Newsweek has blood on its hands. Blood on its desks. Isikoff should cough up his source."
-Michelle Malkin

Why would they say this?

Because on May 6th, Pakistan’s equivalent of Michael Jordan, star cricket player Imran Khan, held a press conference:

Brandishing a copy of that week's NEWSWEEK (dated May 9), Khan read a report that U.S. interrogators at Guantánamo prison had placed the Qur'an on toilet seats and even flushed one. "This is what the U.S. is doing," exclaimed Khan, "desecrating the Qur'an." His remarks, as well as the outraged comments of Muslim clerics and Pakistani government officials, were picked up on local radio and played throughout neighboring Afghanistan. Radical Islamic foes of the U.S.-friendly regime of Hamid Karzai quickly exploited local discontent with a poor economy and the continued presence of U.S. forces, and riots began breaking out last week.
Newsweek: Evan Thomas

Imran Khan was incensed that America has been desecrating the Qur’an. The Newsweek piece was confirmation. The government was admitting what had long been alleged. Riots ensued. People were killed. President Pervez Musharraf and his prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, demanded an investigation. Saudi Arabia expressed concern. Yemen denounced us. The Organization of the Islamic Conference complained. The Arab League demanded an apology. Demonstrations broke out in Palestine, Indonesia, and elsewhere. The sudden fury of Muslims surprised Washington.

Dr. Rice’s reaction is probably more telling than she intended:

"It’s appalling that this story got out there,” secretary of state Condoleezza Rice said as she travelled home from Iraq.

Mr. Rumsfeld’s reaction is just chilling:

"People lost their lives. People are dead,” defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Capitol Hill. “People need to be very careful about what they say, just as they need to be careful about what they do.”
Scotsman

To Dr. Rice I say, “What’s appalling is that this story is out there to tell.” To Mr Rumsfeld I say, “I am fully aware that what I say may wind up causing the deaths of angry protestors, damaging national security, endangering our troops, and destabilizing the governments of U.S. allies. But this is your fault.”

I have weighed long and hard whether I should write this article. I know that providing evidence that the U.S. Government and the mainstream media are engaged in a dishonest effort at damage control is going to undermine our ability to put a lid on Muslim outrage. But the truth is already out there.

This effort to put our mistreatment of Muslims and our disrespect for Islam back in Pandora’s Box is not going to work. Any short-term damage the truth will do, will be overwhelmed by the long-term damage of allowing this abuse and disrespect to continue.

The world needs to know that most Americans, and certainly the vast majority of people on the left, do not support these policies. We don’t care whether the government is ready to admit the truth and accept the consequences. We are speaking out.

The Bush administration has lost all its credibility. They lost it by lying about the threat presented by Saddam Hussein. They lost it by fabricating evidence about weapons of mass destruction. They lost it by cynically pretending to be interested in a diplomatic solution to Iraq’s non-compliance with U.N. resolutions, when the Downing Street Minutes show the administration was bent on war from the beginning. They lost it at Abu Ghraib. They lost it by stating that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to prisoners at Guantanamo. They lost it by farming torture out to our sworn enemy, Syria, and the human rights nadir of Uzbekistan.

No amount of spin is going to repair the damage done to America’s image and legacy. Only the resignation of the entire administration could even begin to accomplish that task.

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Below is a comprehensive list of published allegations of Qur'anic desecration that pre-date the Newsweek article with the exception of citations 1, 10, and 11:

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1. The New York Times, May 17, 2005, "Newsweek Says It Is Retracting Koran Report":

Last month, a former American interrogator confirmed to The New York Times an account given in an interview by a former Kuwaiti detainee, Nasser Nijer Naser al-Mutairi, who said that mishandling of the Koran once led to a major hunger strike. The strike ended only after a senior officer expressed regret over the camp's loudspeaker system, which was simultaneously translated by linguists at the end of each cell block, the former interrogator said.

In that case, the accusations were of copies of the Koran being tossed on the floor in a pile and treated roughly, but there was no assertion that any had been put in the toilet.

Erik Saar, a co-author of the book "Inside the Wire" and an Arabic language translator at Guantánamo from January to June 2003, said in an interview Monday that while he "never saw anything along the lines of a Koran being flushed down a toilet," the issue of how guards and interrogators handled the book was a chronic problem. ... [C]ommanders tried to deal with detainees' sensitivity about the Koran in several ways, including enlisting some of the Muslims working for the military as translators to handle the books during inspections, so that nonbelievers would not touch the books. But that was not always done, he said, and there was no regular policy. The issue "created friction and problems all the time," he said.

2. From Carl Conetta, Project on Defense Alternatives, by e-mail:

One such incident (during which the Koran was thrown into a pile and stepped on) prompted a hunger strike among Guantanamo detainees in March 2002. Regarding this, the New York Times in a 1 May 2005 article interviewed a former detainee, Nasser Nijer Naser al-Mutairi, who said the protest ended with a senior officer delivering an apology to the entire camp. And the Times reports: "A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with The Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans." (Neil A. Lewis and Eric Schmitt, "Inquiry Finds Abuses at Guantanamo Bay," New York Times, 1 May 2005, p. 35.)

The hunger strike and apology story is also confirmed by another former detainee, Shafiq Rasul, interviewed by the UK Guardian in 2003 (James Meek, "The people the law forgot," The Guardian, 3 December 2003, p. 1.) It was also confirmed by former prisoner Jamal al-Harith in an interview with the Daily Mirror (Rosa Prince and Gary Jones, "My Hell in Camp X-ray World Exclusive," Daily Mirror, 12 March 2004).

3. From Carl Conetta, Project on Defense Alternatives, by e-mail:

Also citing the toilet incident is testimony by Asif Iqbal, a former Guatanamo detainee who was released to British custody in March 2004 and subsequently freed without charge:

"The behaviour of the guards towards our religious practices as well as the Koran was also, in my view, designed to cause us as much distress as possible. They would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it." (Center for Constitution Rights, Detention in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, (4 August 2004, deposition available at ccr-ny.org)

4. Tarek Derghoul, another of the British detainees, similarly cites instances of Koran desecration in an interview with Cageprisoners.com.

5. Desecration of the Koran was also mentioned by former Guantanamo detainee Abdul Rahim Muslim Dost and reported by the BBC in early May 2005. (Haroon Rashid, "Ex-inmates share Guantanamo ordeal," 2 May 2005).

6. "Lawyers allege abuse of 12 at Guantanamo," The Philadelphia Inquirer, Jan. 20, 2005: Some detainees complained of religious humiliation, saying guards had defaced their copies of the Koran and, in one case, had thrown it in a toilet, said Kristine Huskey [an attorney in Washington, D.C.], who interviewed clients late last month. Others said that pills were hidden in their food and that people came to their cells claiming to be their attorneys, to gain information.

7. From the Center for Constitutional Rights, New York City, NY and linked as a footnote in a Human Rights Watch report:

72.They were never given prayer mats and initially they didn't get a Koran. When the Korans were provided, they were kicked and thrown about by the guards and on occasion thrown in the buckets used for the toilets. This kept happening. When it happened it was always said to be an accident but it was a recurrent theme

8. From the Center for Constitutional Rights, New York City, NY and linked as a footnote in a Human Rights Watch report:

74. Asif says that ‘it was impossible to pray because initially we did not know the direction to pray, but also given that we couldn’t move and the harassment from the guards, it was simply not feasible. The behaviour of the guards towards our religious practices as well as the Koran was also, in my view, designed to cause us as much distress as possible. They would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it. It is clear to me that the conditions in our cells and our general treatment were designed by the officers in charge of the interrogation process to “soften us up”’.

9. From the Center for Constitutional Rights, New York City, NY and linked as a footnote in a Human Rights Watch report:

Statement of Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal and Rhuhel Ahmed, "Detention in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay," released publicly on August 4, 2004, para. 72, 74, available online at:
http://www.ccr- ny.org/v2/reports/docs/
Gitmo=compositestatementFINAL23july04.pdf,
accessed on August 19, 2004. The disrespect of the Koran by guards at Camp X-Ray was one of the factors prompting a hunger strike. Ibid., para. 111-117.

10. The Los Angeles Times, May 16, 2005, "Newsweek Says It Is Retracting Koran Report":

A Newsweek journalist familiar with the reporting on the story agreed with his editor's regrets Monday, but said it appeared the administration was seizing on the error to minimize the abuse allegations.

"The issue of how prisoners are treated at Guantanamo has not gone away," said the journalist, who asked not to be named. "Now they want to deflect that by talking about how irresponsible Newsweek magazine was."

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The Newsweek editor noted that earlier news accounts reported desecration of the Quran, as well. "For some reason," he added, "at this particular time, ours was the match that lit a fire."

11. Raw Story, May 16, 2005, "Newsweek report on Quran matches many earlier accounts":

Contrary to White House assertions, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek May 6 are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States, RAW STORY has learned. ...

12. From the Complaint, Rasul v. Rumsfeld, filed October 27, 2004:

78. On various occasions, Plaintiffs' efforts to pray were banned or interrupted. Plaintiffs were never given prayer mats and did not initially receive copies of the Koran. Korans were provided to them after approximately a month. On one occasion, a guard in Plaintiff Ahmed's cellblock noticed a copy of the Koran on the floor and kicked it. On another occasion, a guard threw a copy of the Koran in a toilet bucket. Detainees, including Plaintiffs, were also at times prevented from calling out the call to prayer, with American soldiers either silencing the person who was issuing the prayer call or playing loud music to drown out the call to prayer. This was part of a continuing pattern of disrespect and contempt for Plaintiffs religious beliefs and practices.

13. Corrente.blogspot.com provides numerous press citations, without links, of the use of desecration of the Koran to humiliate prisoners. For example, Corrente cites "BBC Monitoring International Reports, June 26, 2004, RUSSIAN TV INTERVIEWS FREED GUANTANAMO PRISONERS... bucket instead of a toilet. People were in cells, ... ... floor. (Vahitov) They tore the Koran to pieces in front of us, threw it into the toilet."



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by Fran on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 07:59:16 AM EST
Ditto.  Thanks!

grassrootsgrowth.org
by grassrootsgrowth on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 10:06:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My favorite line:  "What's appalling is that this story is out there to tell."

I am going to pass this along to my network of folks, so they can pass it on to more people.  Have you sent it to any "news" outlets?  You should, so they can see what real investigative reporting looks like.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:00:50 AM EST
Isn't that something/! Talk about a slip.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:12:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A sign that this does indeed (and who among us ever doubted it?) go all the way to the top levels of the administration.

Chilling.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:17:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is really a masterful piece of work. Tirelessly researched, eloquently written. This country has never been so vulnerable, so despised. When will the "other" America stop refusing to see?

Thank you.

by jane 2000 on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:28:26 AM EST
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Yeah, I wonder what her "husband" thought of it?
by baldmel8 on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 07:56:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just shows that our "news" is all Govt. propaganda.

The story was that there is torture and abuse of POWs (however aren't most prisoners CHARGED with something - unlike the people we are holding) and yet these bastards of war can't even suck it up enough to talk about the real allegations - torture and abuse? No, they just point fingers.

I believe there was use of of anything and everything to "interragate".

Again, I hate this Administration and lemmings who voted for them and the goosestepping media.  

Booman and Susan, you rock!

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

by Damnit Janet on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:07:43 AM EST
The "Quran Swirlie" has legs and the Pentagon and the Bush Administration have been caught red handed trying to pull the flush handle on Newsweek...

Just please watch your backs...

Dudehisattva...

"Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"
by bood abides (thedoodabides@suddenlink.net) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:08:17 AM EST

with the pain you feel at what your country has become.

I cannot agree, however, that most Americans do not support US policies and their implementation.

If that were true, this story would not be "out there" to tell, and the warlords would be settled into their clean, habitable Hague cells long ere hence.

You are both brave to tell this story.

I don't think either of you realizes just how brave.

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:14:13 AM EST
"Support for Iraq War at Lowest Level
35-percentage-point drop from high in '03
by Bill Nichols and Mona Mahmoud

Support for the decision to go to war in Iraq has fallen to its lowest level since the campaign began in March 2003, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll released Tuesday.

[Source:  Common Dreams, 4 May '05.]

Most Americans are now against the Bush administration's Iraq policies.  

by rba on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:29:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

is a webcam trained on the Mall in Washington.

It shows support for US policies holding steady.

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:35:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
At 42%?
by rba on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:42:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In the interest of full disclosure, there are no tanks there to stand in front of at the moment, which is an even match with the number of outraged citizens demanding regime change and commandeering a C-130 to haul them all off to the Hague.

Traditional polling methods would probably call that 50%, but I stick to reality-based statistics.

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 12:26:31 PM EST
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This is great work - the overview is intense and it will take me some time to read through all the links.

Commented and Recommended at DailyKos also

by SallyCat on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:17:27 AM EST
Who do you guys think you are?

Putting information together? Talking to sources? And worse, writing about it? Have you no shame? No ethics? No patriotism?

You are single-handedly threatening the institution of journalism and should be silenced!

Oh well...

:)

(and to avoid troll ratings by those that don't know me - yes, this is snark)

In the long term, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:18:39 AM EST
get in touch later today.  We may have good news!!
by BooMan on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:20:40 AM EST
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Martin,

I have put a prominent reference to your post over at Moon of Alabama. I did not copy the post as a whole, although it certainly deserves to be.

In the long term, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:49:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Tell those guys to sign up here. :P
by BooMan on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:54:00 AM EST
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Martin,

Can I receive an email with your press release to spread here in the Netherlands to press, radio and TV outlets asap?

Dutch saying:
"Je weet nooit hoe een koe een haas vangt."

Literal translation:
You never know how a cow catches a hare. or
You can be surprised with the result.

Oui - Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité

by Oui on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:59:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
looking forward to it.

And seriously, bravo for that comprehensive article!

In the long term, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:28:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Great tour de force.
But lot's of hard work remaining.
Liberal friends actually believe Newsweek made a boo-boo - getting their news from MSM.
The link for this story needs to be spread far and wide!
Thanks for the tremendous effort.
by ask on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:28:18 AM EST
Superb work, guys. Truly.

This report puts what army chaplain Captain David Yee went through in a new light, does it not?

It would be awfully inconvenient to have a reliable, faith-bound witness hanging around, now, wouldn't it?

"If Adolph Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway" -- Joe Strummer

by urizon (cognitivediss@gmail.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:47:13 AM EST
Has anyone thought to interview Yee? He might have be able to corroborate some of this.

"If Adolph Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway" -- Joe Strummer
by urizon (cognitivediss@gmail.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:54:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You should do it. I think he lives in WA state.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:13:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
French final today, other finals the rest of the week, but I have plenty of time this weekend.

"If Adolph Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway" -- Joe Strummer
by urizon (cognitivediss@gmail.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:20:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There is no doubt that religious and cultural desecration has occurred in US GWOT Prisoner Camps.  There are digital pictures. Now that the Arab Street is rising in protest, which conservatives said never would happen, George W Bush is blaming the messenger. Corporate Media had better get use to being the Scapegoat. George W is a Master who is never satisfied.
by Jim S on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:06:39 AM EST
for the Center for Constitutional Rights. Every single person I spoke with there was most helpful, and paved the way for one of Martin's interviews.

They are at the forefront of investigation and legal representation of detainees.

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Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:34:54 AM EST
someone at Kos commented, "Governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan are blaming Newsweek for the whole thing"

Which got me thinking... copy post...

I wonder if this is just one way for them to do away with journalist in the war theatre??
To embed or not to embed...

Gawd knows my talibaptist side of the family feels that there shouldn't be any reporters reporting in the field. That they "cause" the problems and "get our men killed and trouble" -- such as the killer Marine who shot an unarmed elderly man "the fucker is faking" murder. Remember that?

My family thinks do away with war journalist.

Maybe this is one way to do it? (shudder)


When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

by Damnit Janet on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 09:44:32 AM EST
The Bush administration is living in a separate world where nothing is ever their fault.
by venice ca on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 10:18:25 AM EST
And a standing ovation. Oh for this to be an op/ed in the NYT, WaPo, LA Times. Email it to Olberman cause he rocked last night on air and on bloggerman.

Thank you Boo and Sue for your tireless efforts that are first class all the way. I am grateful for your wisdom and (excuse my language)balls to do this. Keep up the intefrity. If only the RWCM had some.

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 10:42:22 AM EST
You could break the daily visits record today.

I used this information to shut my repub coworker up.

"Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

by sgilman on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 10:57:05 AM EST

Reconstruction
To gain insight in the procedures at Guantánamo Bay, colleagues of Channel 4 made a reconstruction of the circumstances and interrogation methods on Cuban. Based on military directives, regulations and FOIA documents, the cages and interrogation chambers were rebuilt and observation equipment was installed.

Team Delta
Seven British men, three of which are muslims, agreed to participate with this trial. During two days the seven were interrogated by Team Delta, old-guards and trained interrogators from the US Army.

  • Video: smallband / broadband
    It was shown on Dutch television, the interrogation parts are in English, the commentator speaks Dutch. The first 4 min are Dutch commentary, the film lasts 32 minutes. I could stand the first 9 minutes, then I knocked off, it's all too revealing and horrific what human beings have to endure.

    For anyone who has the stomach, see link on top.  
    BTW, where is RFTR?

  • Oui - Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité

    by Oui on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:00:35 AM EST
    Yes I read about this several months ago and posted it and put it on my blog.  At that time there was not too much info with the story so thanks for this update....You could always email RFTR to take a look at this,,his email is listed.  
    I think this might be worthy of a diary Oui.  In fact I know that it is, so please do so if you are of a mind to.
    Wonder if it will be ever shown here in US, maybe on cable.  

    Click here to step into the Village Blue2
    by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:58:11 AM EST
    [ Parent ]
    Keep the pressure on.  Excellent work by you and SusanHu, gaining attention and will continue to do so.  Fine work.  

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
    by pateacher on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:51:56 AM EST
    There is hope, a glimmer of what journalism is really supposed to be about, investigate, talk to and interview people, analyze, get your information confirmed by multiple sources.  Bravo, we as a people can now be hopful thanks to your professional journalism.  Now if we can get MSM journalists to  crawl out from underneath their corporate rocks and stop being moneygrubbing lackeys and do their jobs, we might have a chance.  If enough people are fed the truth, bushco and his merry band of thugs will soon be riding the rail out of town. I applaud your integrity and grit in making sure that the truth is not hidden and shielded from those Americans that want our government to be responsible citizens of the world.  Not a bunch of corporate lackeys to the multinationals.  Thank you for a superb article that made me think and increased my awareness of this massive ongoing problem.

    click on me
    by ghostdancers way (ghostdancers_way@hotmail.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 01:16:07 PM EST
    You guys have done an amazing job, BooMan and Susan... well done. Are you sending this around? I've been reading here and there and it's funny how uninformed even media types are about all this, and the background and such. Oh, and I don't know how one gets work on Smirking Chimp and Common Dreams, but this seems a natural for both.

    Also noticed the second day in a row that Andrew Sullivan has mentioned Susan by name and linked to the diaries (on kos). That brings an entirely different dynamic into the mix (being linked to by an angst-ridden gay conservative Catholic who is anti torture, and anti some of the Bush admin and theocrats rather than being linked to from a regular lefty site).

    Anyway, congrats! You guys have more stuff like this in the planning?

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    by Nanette (nanette at humanbeams dot com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 01:26:56 PM EST
    THANKS, Nanette! I have liked Andrew Sullivan for some time. And my daughter thinks he's terrific -- she's particularly enjoyed him when he's been on Bill Maher's show. She is VERY impressed that Martin's and my story got mentioned by him.

    Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
    by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 02:50:19 PM EST
    [ Parent ]
    Exceptional work...WELL DONE!  Kudos to you both!

    the revolution will not be televised...
    by dada on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 01:35:27 PM EST
    Thanks for all your exceptional work on this difficult project.

    We have a free press after all, just log on to Booman to see it at work.

    Logic and an open mind are more useful than common sense.

    by Othniel (rfalaw at yahoo.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 02:46:25 PM EST
    Good job Susan and Booman.  Kudos, Kudos, Kudos.

    Sitting here stunned at the stupidity of these people.  Don't know what else to say but, "What a freaking mess."  

    I wonder what the Christian Right would say if the Bible was treated in the same manner.

    Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

    by ATinNM on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 04:22:25 PM EST
    I am touched by SisypheanMusing's thoughtful remarks today.

    And Andrew Sullivan, with whom we have had no differences, was also very thoughtful in his remarks, and Andrew honed in on one of the more critical parts of our work.  (Thanks for alerting us, Nanette!)

    Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

    by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 05:12:08 PM EST
    seems to be a fair guy.  I was happy to see him willing to give us credit where credit is due, as well as to offer critique.

    I wish he had expanded a little more on our article.  But I'm not complaining.

    In the end, I'm betting he'll be willing to concede our point, and our point has nothing to do with whether Newsweek did a good job of reporting.

    by BooMan on Fri May 20th, 2005 at 01:48:38 AM EST
    [ Parent ]
    This is real journalism. Splendid work.

    Three thoughts:

    1.

    The D.C. lawyer also alleged that one of the Administrative Review Board's criteria for deeming a detainee too dangerous to release was whether or not they prayed in their cell. You pray, you stay.

    I'll bet if they were praying to Jesus rather than Allah that they'd get released.

    1. I am constantly amazed that people who work for large, well-funded news organizations that have resources like Lexis-Nexis seem not to understand their use. Or how to use something as simple as Google.

    2. If the administration succeeds in getting its "nukular option" through the Senate, it will mean more than right-wing judges. It will mean the end of what remains of a free press in this country.


    A politician is a man who will double cross that bridge when he comes to it. -- Oscar Levant
    by Mnemosyne on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:25:31 PM EST
    This is fantastic-great job! I'm hoping it's going to be picked up and published? It really should be-thanks for all the hard work!

    "Before you knew the word 'dream' and the word 'fire' you dreamed of fires" Lisel Mueller
    by vida on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 08:57:47 AM EST
    Do I dare to hope that this (new scandal) will bring the house of Bushico, down. I think it well might.
    Excellent work both of you.

    Click here to step into the Village Blue2
    by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 10:30:01 AM EST
    Forwarded link to AlterNet.
    by rba on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 11:41:45 AM EST
    You did a fantastic job, both of you!  Congratulations on the reference links from other blogs on the internet(s).  All of your hard work is paying off Booman.  

    <pops some popcorn to watch the tracking meter>

    We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit - Octavio Paz / Latino Político

    by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail dot com) on Tue May 17th, 2005 at 02:43:17 PM EST
    .
    Normally news from America is vetted through the US Embassy in The Hague!  <sarcasm>

       121     Teletext  Fr May 20    

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

       "Koran was desecrated on Guantánamo"  

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WASHINGTON At the American Army camp
    Guantánamo Bay the Qu'ran was certainly
    desecrated. According to the Red Cross and
    the civil liberties organization ACLU.

    Prisoners reported three years ago,
    according to the Red Cross, that US guards
    would treat the Qu'ran with disrespect. The
    organization informed the US government
    at the time. According to the ACLU it has
    stated the guards would stand on the Qu'ran
    or have it retrieved by dogs.

    Last week Muslims reacted in fury worldwide,
    as in Afghanistan, on similar charges
    revealed in Newsweek. The weekly has
    retracted those reports this week.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It's uncommon for the Dutch press to be vocally questioning the US government in harsh statements in their news reports. I got very frustrated with many of them, actually thinking the journalists were only reading excerpts as released by the US Embassy in The Hague.

    On the other hand to be fair, in their documentaries Dutch TV can perform outstandingly, as I recently reported on the British Channel 4 production of prisoner treatment at Guantánamo Bay!

    After your diary was published, I did send Email copies to some of the largest news outlets. Previously on the breaking news last February on Jeff Gannon, I did the same with no effect whatsoever. I did get a single response, they would follow-up on the story. I guess they finally did.

    Oui - Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité

    by Oui on Fri May 20th, 2005 at 12:08:49 AM EST


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