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My Denomination To Affirm Same Sex Marriage? (w/POLL)

by pastordan
Thu May 26th, 2005 at 06:27:31 PM EST

This is something I've mentioned once or twice in passing, but now D-Day is on the horizon:

At its biennial national gathering, about 1,000 elected delegates from the church's 39 regional Conferences and national Covenanted Ministries will debate three different marriage-related proposals. One from the UCC's Southern California - Nevada Conference asks the General Synod to affirm full civil and religious marriage equality for same-gender couples. If passed, the UCC's General Synod would become the first mainline Christian body to support such a measure.

A second counter resolution, offered by eight geographically-diverse congregations, asks the Synod to affirm "traditional" marriage as "between one man and one woman." A third proposal, by the Central Atlantic Conference, calls for a time of church-wide prayer, conversation and study on the issue.

The possible divisions over this are no joke. From the same story:
On May 21, the Penn Northeast Conference held a "day of dialogue" among its 156 churches (including its one and only ONA church) to discuss controversial issues facing the General Synod.

"Of the people who showed up," says the Rev. Alan C. Miller, Conference Minister, "by far the largest attendance was at the same-sex marriage discussion."

"Eighty percent of those gathered were against the same-sex marriage resolutions and offered support for the one-man, one-woman resolution," Miller says. "I think our General Synod delegates were surprised that the reaction - the percentage - was that great against the resolutions."

Miller says one church already has voted to leave the UCC simply because the issue is being considered. "And we've already been informed that three other churches will vote out if this passes," he says.

And from a related story:

The UCC's Calvin Synod says it might consider leaving the denomination if a proposed resolution affirming same-gender marriage equality is passed by the church's General Synod during its biennial meeting in Atlanta July 1-5.

...

However the resolution passed by the Calvin Synod, comprised of 29 churches and more than 2,500 congregants, claims the Bible records "the constant opposition of God-fearing people to all sexual relations outside the bonds of marriage" and calls unions between homosexual persons to be "unholy abominations, unfit for the sight of the Lord and the righteous."

It denies that same-gender marriage meets the definition of marriage, declares that such "heresy is intolerable" to its members and ministers and calls on the UCC to "disavow this heresy."

The Calvin Synod comes from Hungarian Protestants taken in by the UCC after the failed uprising against the Soviet occupation in 1956. If you didn't quite catch it, they're quite a bit more conservative than the church at large.

Oddly enough, in my own area, the reaction is somewhat more muted:

The Rev. Marja Coons-Torn, Penn Central Conference Minister, says she has received letters from concerned members about the marriage equality measure, but the tone has been civil.

"We certainly have opposition to it here and I am hearing from people who are opposed to it," Coons-Torn says. "But I have to tell you that it's in pretty respectful ways."

...

"If it came to an up-or-down vote on the [Southern California - Nevada] resolution, probably our delegation is not yet at the point where they will be able to support it wholeheartedly," Coons-Torn says. "Many, if not most people, might be able to support civil unions but can't go all the way in supporting the word `marriage.'"


For any of you who know Pennsylvania, this result is almost bizarre. Since when is Northeast PA more stuck in the mud than Central?

In any case, if the "pro" resolution passes, it will cost the UCC in division and lost revenue for the national church. It is, in other words, a live issue.

What can you do?

Well, if you're not a member of a UCC church, not much right now. We're not a terribly hierarchical denomination; a letter-writing campaign pressuring the higher-ups will probably get you a lot of sympathy and agreement, but it's up to the body to vote on this. You could toss the national church a few bucks, or write and let them know that you'd think about joining a mega-cool denomination that approved of SSM, but I ain't telling you to.

No, for right now, just keep us in your thoughts and prayers, and get those itchy typing fingers ready for this summer. 'Cause you know that every right-wing loon and his Senate sockpuppet is going to be denouncing us as Exhibit 1A in the decline and fall of the American Empire...



Poll
If Pastor Dan could officiate at your same-sex wedding, where would it be?
. Maui 22%
. Miami Beach 0%
. Vegas, Baby 11%
. Portland, Maine 0%
. Boston 0%
. Wherever Yearly Kos will be 22%
. New Yawk 22%
. Paris 0%
. Gary, Indiana 11%
. My Mother's Basement 11%

Votes: 9
Results | Other Polls
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Same sex marriage? That would be mighty big o' me. (Get it? Bigamy.)

Sigh. I'll try to have better jokes on Saturday.

Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days. Sherlock Holmes

by Carnacki (Carnacki AT hauntedvampire DOT com) on Thu May 26th, 2005 at 07:35:19 PM EST
Already married, to a great guy, but in the same-sex alternative universe, guess it'd hafta be Maui.

Demand Bush's Resignation.
by Sandia Blanca on Thu May 26th, 2005 at 09:28:32 PM EST
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Rimshot!

Looking forward to toting your little ones up the hill...

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.

by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Thu May 26th, 2005 at 08:02:17 PM EST
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My alma mater's chapel (that's Yale for those who don't know me) just decided to disassociate with your denomination (UCC), pastordan.  There reasoning has something to do with trying to make faith, religion, and spirituality more acceptable on campus.

How this decision helps that goal, I cannot even come close to understanding.  Would love your input on that at somepoint, though.  (Not to hijack the thread or anything).  If you don't know anything about it, you can read the Yale Daily News piece here, and an opinion piece that expresses a lot of the way I feel here.

Want some more perspective?

by Another Perspective (thecookie83--at--yahoo.com) on Thu May 26th, 2005 at 08:18:23 PM EST
Apparently the split is already official, at least according to this piece.

Want some more perspective?
by Another Perspective (thecookie83--at--yahoo.com) on Thu May 26th, 2005 at 08:21:58 PM EST
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It's probably the right decision--having a denominational chapel is unusual for a major university, and an uncomfortable fit for everyone--but I couldn't help feeling like it was poorly handled. Made me sad, too.

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 08:00:42 AM EST
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yo, Pastordan. You should crosspost this over at Talk to Action.

Meanwhile, I am doing a little write up for my blog, pointing people to your important analysis here. I know my MA readers especially will want to know about this.

FrederickClarkson.com and Talk to Action

by Frederick Clarkson on Thu May 26th, 2005 at 09:53:08 PM EST
And if I quit dinking around and get some of my other work done, I'll write up those site guidelines today, too.

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 07:56:08 AM EST
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very cool. btw, I don't know if you noticed, but since we did our launch, and diaried about Chip's post opposing lableling and demonization, (and a few follow-up diaries by Bruce and me), the level of antireligious vitriol has dropped considerably at The Daily Kos.

It seems that whatever it is we did has worked, certainly not completely. Has that been your experience too?

FrederickClarkson.com and Talk to Action

by Frederick Clarkson on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 11:00:29 AM EST
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Don't expect it to last. It's cyclical--the next time some big outrage comes along, the long knives will be back...

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 01:02:59 PM EST
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I'm really sorry this is proving so divisive-I rather naively hoped that people would be much more accepting in the UCC. I can only wish you the best and sound out our local UCC as to their stand. A few family members interested in joining a welcoming congregation and I had hoped the UCC would be a good fit-maybe I can encourage them to work from within? Again, I'm sorry, it's such a bad time to have people pulling away, not that it's ever a good time but when times are so dark it's a shame that everyone can't pull together instead. Yeah, I still have that naive thing going on here...

"Before you knew the word 'dream' and the word 'fire' you dreamed of fires" Lisel Mueller
by vida on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 05:22:12 AM EST
It will be a difficult decision either way, but relatively few folks are actively hostile to gays and lesbians. The split's really between "are we ready for this?" vs. "we should have done this yesterday."

And in any case, your experience of the UCC will vary depending on the local congregation. So if they're gay-friendly, then by all means, sign up!

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.

by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 07:58:49 AM EST
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Two of my friends plan to marry here in HK SAR (sort of China without MOST of the repression) sometime in the next two years. They already asked me to be bridesmaid/best man in one! Hey I can manage that..um I think. So PastorDan as someone I have read, admired and wanted to be my foster father..(I'm 38, lesbian but house-trained!!) can you officiate overseas? Go on... make my two girls happy!! (They are fluent(ish) in English btw)'bout same as me....and the details are still up in the air..well... you did ask???
by yiasemi on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 06:14:18 AM EST
They'd have to shell out for a plane ticket, unfortunately, but sure, what the heck.

You may want to reconsider the foster father bit. I'll be 37 in one week...

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.

by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Fri May 27th, 2005 at 07:54:54 AM EST
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Thank you for the offer. I will keep you informed. I am so sorry I didn't reply. This gets censored a lot here. I haven't been able to sign in for a while.
And so sorry for the age blunder.You say such wise, spiritual things I stereotyped you. I should of guessed from the freshness and vitality of your faith.
Sorry...brother!!
by yiasemi on Fri Jun 3rd, 2005 at 06:45:32 AM EST
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