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No wonder my gaydar felt off

by MAJeff
Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 10:27:03 AM EST

It's not metrosexuals.  No, they're last year's "trend."  This year, it's because non-metrosexual straights are adopting gay styles, and some of us homos are giving up on clubwear clothing and gym scuplture:

"The codes have broken down completely," said Valerie Steele, the director of the Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology. "The other night I was at a dinner sitting next to someone who was talking about how he couldn't tell anymore, that he just didn't have any gaydar. And it was so funny. I couldn't tell if he was gay or straight."

If a straight woman directing a fashion institute has lost her gaydar, what chance to I, a lowly academic working mostly among heteros, have?

It used to be that we could use earrings as a marker, a code for homosexuality.  Remember the, "If you pierce your left ear you're gay" thing?  Now, the rings I've been wearing on each ear for 15 years are on every other straight man.

Then it was Doc Martins.  Then it was certain tattoos.  Then it was body piercings.

Not all of these trends started in gay communities.  Some of them were borrowed from others (punk...) and adapted.  Then they were adopted by other social groups and re-adapted.  Guess what, social trends circulate.  In a society such us ours, in which fashion (and other cultural trends) is always changing due to the need to keep people buying new stuff, cultural minorities (be they gay, black, punk, hippie, pothead....) will often be raided, signifiers with meanings taken up and transformed, made into commodities.  There tends to be a cycle to all of this.

This is also one of the reasons those minority cultures continue to change and innovate.  As gay style is adopted more by straight men, new gay styles will probably develop, markers to be maintained as signifiers of difference.  (Indeed, such things as fashion aren't the only cultural signifiers we use; speech codes are other areas where such things come into play.)

The article points to one difference in the cycle as it's traditionally played out:

What has sped the change is the erosion of the time-honored fashion hierarchy. For years gay men were the ones to first adopt a style trend - flat-front pants, motorcycle jackets, crew cuts - and straight men would pick up on it more or less as gay men tired of it. Now gays and straights are embracing new styles almost simultaneously.

"The lag time between gay innovation and straight appropriation is nonexistent now," said Bruce Pask, the style director of Cargo magazine, who is gay. "They're picking up the trends as fast as we are."

I think there are two things we can point to for understanding this: mass media and changes in some forms of masculinity.

The mass media aspect is, I think, easier to understand.  In the past several years, we've seen an explosion in the sites of media production.  Developments in cable, satellite, and internet technologies, along with a diffusion of the ability to produce content had resulted in an exponential growth in images and messages in circulation.  It's also compressed time.  Cultural cycles of innovation, diffusion, adoption, and decline simply move faster now.  A fashion's lifespan isn't as long--once it's been adopted it's dead, with several new trends waiting to take it's place.

I don't know what relationship this has to masculinity.  Part of the reason is that I think we often talk of masculinity to broadly, as though it's a singular thing.  There are many masculinities. Part of me wants to ask, In which groups of men is this fashion crossover happenings?  What class locations do they occupy and from what geographic region are they coming?  What contacts to they already have with gay men?  How is the concern for "looking good" integrated into other aspects of their masculinity?

It's no uncommon, after all, for men to try and make themselves more attractive, be they straight or gay.  Is the style being adopted because gay men have developed a flattering way to show off the male body?  Is grooming the only transformation that's happening?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but it would be fascinating to explore them.  After all, we utilize clothing as a social marker of who we are, be it brand names, particular styles, a certain piece that has subcultural meaning.  Sometimes what we wear demonstrates that we don't care what message we're sending, thus sending a message.

I've got a message to send: Please stop copying us. You're throwing off the gaydar and confusing us.  We have to keep coming up with new ways of identifying each other.  That's a lot of work.  

(Crossposted at dailyKos)



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when you design all the clothes?  

I'm kidding, but I think what you're missing is the lagtime.  The copying was always validating is some way.

But I could be wrong.

by BooMan on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 10:42:45 AM EST
yeah, the lag time...at least there was a bit of time when we could tell the difference; now you're buying shit before us (well, at least before me--none of it fits me)...so confusing, so confusing.

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 10:45:02 AM EST
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what would poor old Gramsci have made of all this? Which is the hegemonic culture these days?

I dated a man last summer who had more fashion sense than I--took me out shopping for new clothes, new everything--it was a blast being made over. He was as straight as they came. Very confusing, but very fun. And I'm sure he has set off a lot of folks' gaydar...

by lorraine (lorraine_berry at yahoo) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 10:51:08 AM EST
Oy...there's a question for ya.  This is where Baudrillard makes so much sense to me...and probably even more sense to my students (one of them did a great take-off of "the Gulf War Did Not Take Place" with "The Presidential Debate Did Not Take Place.")  I talk to some of my older colleagues, and they talk about Baudrillard as a fun intellectual exercise...my students recognize it immeidately (at least the stuff they can understand...some of that man's writing....)

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 10:57:17 AM EST
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- has a reputation as the most whacked-out of all the pomo gurus, while in reality he is among those who make the most sense. One just has to subtract about 1/3 as hyperbole, and even that is rather entertaining, as in:
"The real function of Disneyworld is to obscure the fact that all of America is a theme park." (my paraphrase)

The world's northernmost desert wind.
by Sirocco (sirocco2005 - AT - gmail.com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 05:30:27 PM EST
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Honestly, I'll take Eco's "Travels in Hyperreality" but I do love me some Baudrillard.  Sometimes, he's just a bit much, though.  I may have to try "Seduction" again at some point, but the first time I gave up after the ninth attempt at page 1.

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 05:33:42 PM EST
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The hegemonic culture is the "same as it ever was."  What you have is obsolete.  It's time for something "new".  Consume, consume, consume.

</materialist rant>

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by wobblie (cgoffor(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:39:37 PM EST
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Back in the early 60's, the gaydar accessory was red socks. You could go retro and bring that back.
by sjct on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:02:08 AM EST
In the early 1900s, it was red ties (in both the U.S. and Brazil, see Chauncey's Gay New York and Green's Beyond Carnival).

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:04:02 AM EST
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Or you could bring back the green carnation!

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by Jennifer (uncle_claude::at::earthlink.removethis.net) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:13:23 AM EST
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or green on Thursdays.

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:14:33 AM EST
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I understand Lockheed/Martin came out with a new one for the military...civilian models may be available (man-portable or installed in you Hummer).

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by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:59:15 AM EST
hummer gaydar...<gurgle gurgle>

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by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 12:02:03 PM EST
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Um, sorry to bring this up, MAJeff, but maybe your gaydar is a bit off because you honed it using faulty information -- the right ear piercing meant you were gay.  Your subsequent impressions have been sullied by sailors and bikers. ;)

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by Izzy (izzy AT unbossed DOT com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:19:20 AM EST
I've found that whichever ear was "marked" actually varied geographically.

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:30:07 AM EST
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Well the last few sentences in the article explains everything doesn't it..if you're shirts untucked your not gay-case closed.

I like the idea that gaydar is getting harder(no pun intended here people)to be able to tell whose who-I think that's a positive from my point of view.  It also would seem that this is a subtle shift in hetero male thinking that possibly being thought gay isn't gasp such a terrible thing.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:27:45 AM EST
i don't disagree actually...but, this is also where the questions about "whose" masculinities come into play.  How widespread is it actually, and among which groups?  Plus, is the association with "sort of gay" retained...are they more comfortable with gay folks, or has it been taken simply because it's a better way of showing off the body?  I dunno any of the answers.

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:32:00 AM EST
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I'd go with the idea that hetero men are just becoming more interested in appearance due to this country's obsession with looks/appearance.

I have no idea about the masculinity part although that's one of those terms that in a way is as meaningless as femininity to me.  If you are male-your masculine period doesn't make any difference if you wear a dress and high heels-if you're a man you're 'masculine'.  If you're k.d. lang..you're feminine.  Although I suspect my view on this might be a lot different than most peoples.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 11:52:25 AM EST
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Nah, the shirt tuck thing's no good. At least not in Chicago. There's too many hetero hipsters who tuck their shirts around these parts. And while I havan't been paying to close attention, next time I'm in Boy's Town I'm going to make a note of all the gay guy's shirts. I'm betting you a lot of them go untucked.
by Goldfish on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 05:53:44 PM EST
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One of my good friends lives in Boystown.  I hate her.

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 05:55:10 PM EST
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I found out that John Lithgow had a wife and kids.

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by TeresaInPa (Teese02aATYahoo.com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 02:11:52 PM EST
OK, the gayder never went off, but I love the man.  I absolutely loved Third Rock in its heyday (that was a great example of the anthropological notion of "making the normal strange") and Lord Farquart was brilliant! (the muffin man interrogation...priceless)

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.
by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 02:16:38 PM EST
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One of my favorite exchanges of dialogue on that show was when Dick was learning about politics and Mary tells him:

"If you don't vote, you can't complain."
Then Dick whines, "But complaining is all I have left!"

Ahem. Topic. I have to agree with chocolate ink upthread, I think a key component in this fashion thing is that straight men are generally much less freaked out to display feminine-associated traits like fashion sense because despite all the work of the religious right the stigma associated with gender-bending and homosexuality is breaking down. Which is good, even if it's making cruising a bit more complicated. ;)

by IndyLib on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 02:34:29 PM EST
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Another relevant episode:  The ballroom dance competition.  Sally gets herself a gay partner--having no conception of gay--and falls for him.  He sort of falls for her, thinking she's a drag queen.

At the end, Dick (I think) asks, "How do they live without women?"
Harry: "Oh, they've found a way."

"If you don't like me, I'm going to make you hate me." **Margaret Cho.

by MAJeff (langstra at yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 02:38:48 PM EST
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Yes.  I have always been proud of my efficient gaydar, which I have noticed lagging, although not bothered by the fact. I agree with your theory.

My basis?  In Key West, there seem to be less gay-only guest houses. I ascribe this to the fact that gay people don't feel the need to isolate themselves so much anymore.  They can stay at the Hilton, or wherever.  Maybe it's just Key West, but the gay clubs were always really mixed - Friends of the Family always welcome.  But in essence, I think we're all accepting each other more.

I hope so, anyway.

by vicki (nosnivelling at hotmail dot com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 04:26:56 PM EST
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I haven't been there in years! I grew up mostly in Miami so Key West was always a hot spot for long weekends. Is the Rainbow House still there? I have very fond memories of that place involving a lot of nudity and beer.
by IndyLib on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 06:37:23 PM EST
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Yes, it is.  And why do our fondest memories always revolve around nudity and beer.......?  Ahhh......
by vicki (nosnivelling at hotmail dot com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 06:39:24 AM EST
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Even he admits he is efeminate.  I loved him in Garp, but  I fell in love with him in Terms of Endearmeant.  

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by TeresaInPa (Teese02aATYahoo.com) on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 07:46:47 PM EST
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I think another reason is the perception that women see gay men as safe, something the more "predatory" men see no problem with exploiting even if it means looking a little less "masculine".

At this point, there's only one sensible solution to this whole problem - adopt some kind of uniform jewellery code, like the Betans from Bujold's Vorkosigan books.



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by Egarwaen on Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 05:13:48 PM EST
Let's give this a little food for thought. Bisexuality is also very"trendy" right now. Tons of college kids(more girls than guys)are experimenting with their sexuality and identity. When you have a show like "Queer Eye" which I love telling straight guys how to groom, decorate and dress to impress has alot to do with it too. I have very good gaydar and I find it a bit off these days too.

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by alohaleezy on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 05:56:55 AM EST


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