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Edith Brown Clement SCOTUS Nominee

by susanhu
Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 11:55:27 AM EST

Update [2005-7-19 19:9:9 by susanhu]: MSNBC says it is not Clement.

Update [2005-7-19 15:22:45 by susanhu]: "The Supreme Court Nomination Blog just found out that Specter's office just sent around a note referring people to Edith Brown Clement's 2001 confirmation hearing questions." (RedState.org)

Update [2005-7-19 13:2:16 by susanhu]: Bush will announce nominee in "prime time" at 9pmET/6pm PT.

CNN reports it's Edith Brown Clement, says Atrios. Now Atrios says that CNN "...seem[s] to be backing off now. weird." (Raw Story headline: Insiders say Clement pick at 4pm... Rumors or real? Ex-lawyer to oil firms; 'Leans defense' civil cases... [That link goes to the WaPo story.])

She goes by the name "Joy" (MSNBC). She is married and has two children. (US DOJ). View her US DOJ resume.

A quick find on her, via The Republic of T blog:

Info on Edith Brown Clement is available via Slate’s list of potential picks. Slate suggests she’s a middle-of-the-road candidate with not much to excite conservatives or liberals for or against her nomination.

Edith Brown Clement

Clement doesn’t provide much ammunition for opposition groups, but perhaps not much for conservatives to get excited about either. She hasn’t written anything notable off the bench (or at least nothing that’s come to light yet), and most of her judicial decisions have been in relatively routine and uncontroversial cases.

The dKosopedia concurs including her membership in the Federalist Society, with a bit more detail. Sounds vaguely like Souter, but in a dress.

Update [2005-7-19 12:19:27 by susanhu]: WaPo confirms there will be an announcement this afternoon at WH. Moved to 9pm ET.

DETAILS BELOW, including good background from Slate and from ABC's The Note, as well as hard questions from Nathan Newman:

Update [2005-7-19 13:12:39 by susanhu]: BooMan sent me Nathan Newman's post this morning, "Is it Clement? The perfect 'stealth candidate'?" An excerpt:

As Jeffrey Rosen in this article details:

Similarly People for the American Way has this site up on Clement and details that she supported radically restricting Congress's jurisdiction over criminal law involving theft and robbery:

In other words, Judge Clement voted to significantly limit the reach of the Hobbs Act and the authority of Congress under the Commerce Clause. In doing so, she would have overturned established Fifth Circuit precedent and ruled in a manner inconsistent with the law in several other circuits.

On the same page, PFAW documents her hostility to consumers and to juries having the right to assess damages against corporations who harm the public:

This case concerned a truck accident involving an eighteen-wheeler tractor trailer...the jury found the truck company and driver liable and awarded damages, which included $200,000 each to the estates of Becky and Kallie Vogler for their pain and mental anguish prior to death, as approved by the trial court...the majority reduced the award to Mrs. Vogler's estate to $30,000.

So even where damages are hardly astronomical -- a few hundred thousand to compensate for the death of two people -- Clement's instinct is to second-guess juries in favor of corporate profits.

Update [2005-7-19 12:29:48 by susanhu]: From ABC's The Note:

And/but from the warrens of the Department of Justice to the halls of the Hill to some of the smarter conservative websites LINK, the buzz this morning is all about Judge Edith Brown Clement.

There is no official comment or confirmation from anyone who really knows, though some folks in a position to be among the first told are starting to tell us that she is the pick.

We can report, based on independent sourcing, that she sat down privately with President Bush at the White House within the past few days.

It is entirely possible that all this buzz is wrong and that Clement was, in fact, interviewed and NOT chosen . . . and was informed about not being chosen . . . which fed all this . . .

But that is NOT what the buzz sounds like to our veteran ears. At this writing, no one else is known to have been interviewed, although, as the President himself said, not everyone would require such a meeting.

(Early CW on Clement: The less known of the two Ediths. Easily confirmable. A Southern charmer. A lack of a paper trail. Pro-business conservative. Sympathetic to civil, but not criminal, defendants when she was a district court judge. Conservative activists not sure of her stance on substantive due process and/or Roe v. Wade.)

And ABC News' Ed O'Keefe reported last night that Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), late for the annual Santorum-Specter staff softball game, confirmed that he met with President Bush regarding a potential Supreme Court nominee.

Specter refused to provide details of the meeting but strongly hinted that a final decision has been made.

Specter received the "invitation" to the meeting yesterday afternoon and initially declined due to the aforementioned softball game.

Apparently, the White House made it clear he should attend the meeting and the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee changed his plans.

Specter refused to say if any other congressional members were at the meeting and did not outline its length.

When asked about timing, Specter only smiled but reminded the ABC and CNN cameras present that his last chemotherapy treatment is Friday and today is Monday (i.e., Tuesday-Thursday are the dates to watch).

At that point, a senior member of Specter's staff commented, "We'll be in early tomorrow."

Another item: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales cancelled a planned visit to the US Attorney's office in Boston yesterday and sped through an appearance in Portland, Maine to return to Washington for hastily schedule meetings. (He was also seen leaving the White House at 8:16 am ET this morning.)

Let's be frank: it is very hard to imagine that the Democrats would filibuster Judge Clement, or that any more than a handful of the Republican Gang of Seven wouldn't vote for the nuclear option to quash said filibuster.

Aside from Judge Michael Luttig, who has turned into the left's do-or-die bugbear, or Edith Hollan Jones, who has a long record of opposition to Roe, we don't think the Dems will be spoiling for the fight in the end.

Mere ideological disagreement won't be enough to sustain a filibuster, so if the left is aghast at the prospect of a nominee being confirmed, Republicans fear they will dig for dirt to tar the pick personally.

The only way, in this scenario, that Democrats can successfully stop a nominee is to raise substantive questions about their ethics.

WaPo has another story on potential nominees, linked via Raw Story, which hints it will likely be Clement.

Via Slate:

Edith Brown Clement

Edith Brown Clement
Age: 57
Graduated from: Tulane Law School.
She clerked for: Judge Herbert W. Christenberry.
She used to be: a judge on the U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Louisiana.
She's now: a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit (appointed 2001).

Her confirmation battle: Clement doesn't provide much ammunition for opposition groups, but perhaps not much for conservatives to get excited about either. She hasn't written anything notable off the bench (or at least nothing that's come to light yet), and most of her judicial decisions have been in relatively routine and uncontroversial cases.

Civil Rights and Liberties
For a unanimous panel, allowed a plaintiff who sued the police for violating his right to due process to proceed with his claim that the officers who arrested him used excessive force when they allegedly injured him by slamming the door of their car against his head. Reversed the district court's finding that the plaintiff could also sue for unlawful arrest and excessive force involving the use of handcuffs. (Tarver v. City of Edna, 2005)

Environmental Protection and Property Rights
Voted for the 5th Circuit to rehear a decision blocking developers from building on a site where six endangered bug species lived in a cluster of limestone caves. Clement joined a dissent that argued that the decision's rationale for protecting the bugs—to preserve the interdependent web of species—bore no relationship to Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce. (GDF Realty Investments v. Norton, 2004)

Criminal Law
For a unanimous panel, rejected the claim of a man flying to Nigeria that his luggage was unlawfully searched at the border. Clement ruled broadly that customs inspectors need not have probable cause to search the bags of people who are leaving the country. (U.S. v. Odutayo, 2005)

Agreed with a unanimous panel that an asylum applicant who was 20 minutes late to a hearing because he'd taken the wrong highway exit should not have been ordered deported in absentia and was entitled to a new hearing. (Alarcon-Chavez v. Gonzales, 2005)

Habeas Corpus
Over a dissent, ruled that a death-row inmate who claimed to be mentally retarded was entitled to a lawyer to develop that claim in a habeas petition. Clement's ruling followed the Supreme Court's 2002 decision barring the execution of the mentally retarded. She followed up with a second opinion that limited the significance of her ruling by stating "this is a fact-bound case." (Hearn v. Dretke, 2004)

For a unanimous panel, reversed a decision of the district court finding that a police officer convicted of civil rights violation, for hitting a drunk suspect in the head with his baton, was entitled to a new trial because his lawyer was ineffective. The officer argued that his lawyer erred by failing to call character witnesses to rebut testimony that he'd complained about the need to control Mexicans in the United States. Clement said the rebuttal evidence would have been irrelevant because the officer was not charged with a hate crime. (U.S. v. Harris, 2005)

Damage Awards
Over a partial dissent, in reviewing a jury verdict in favor of a man whose wife and 3-year-old daughter were killed in a car crash, affirmed damage awards of $1.9 million for the man's loss of his wife and $1.5 million for the loss of his daughter. Reduced from $200,000 to $30,000 an award to the wife's estate for her pain and mental anguish before her death and eliminated a $200,000 award to the daughter's estate for her pain and mental anguish. (Vogler v. Blackmore, 2003)

Full list of potential nominees: Slate

You can read more at the site, ConfirmThem:



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Sounds like BushCo knows it's in too much trouble to run a real nasty at us right now, so instead they try to lull us to sleep with someone who will go along with the majority.

NEXT one...Rehnquist's replacement...will be the kicker. And if they are smart...politically smart...they will postpone THAT until after the Rove cloud blows over.

OUR job?

To see that it NEVER blows over.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:07:03 PM EST
She does seem reasonable and fairly moderate, but there's just not a big paper trail or a set of decisions that puts her predictably in one camp or the other.  

I will be most interesting and telling to see what the talking heads of the Christian right think of her.

by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:13:25 PM EST
we have any confirmation on this?

It might be a savvy choice.  If this is true, it will be hard for the advocates on either side of Roe v Wade to get worked up.

by BooMan on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:04:47 PM EST
Well, Atrios says now that CNN is backing off a bit ... Raw Story thinks it's she....

Gawd. She looks downright reasonable at first glance ... I haven't read all the details I posted above.

MSNBC Flash News:  WH tells press to be ready for announcement.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:07:09 PM EST
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better looking than Bork and Thomas.
by BooMan on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:12:17 PM EST
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For a judge, she's a babe!

I just had a terrible thought about Thomas ... must keep mind focused.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:14:00 PM EST
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Perhaps that picture was taken a long time ago.
by Hausfrau on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:19:02 PM EST
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I don't remember the details (like where I read it, and the exact wording), but at one point in an interview on or around Gloria Steinem's 60th birthday, someone said that she looked fabulous for a 60 year old woman.  She responded something along the lines of, "This is what 60 looks like.  We've been lied to about it for so long that we've forgotten."

I bet that's a fairly recent picture of Judge Clement ... for however much that it's relevant.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

by Bearpaw on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 02:24:17 PM EST
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No great feat that!

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:39:49 PM EST
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Praying it isn't Jones, the other woman being seriously considered.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:22:07 PM EST
is floating her name right now.
by BooMan on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:22:18 PM EST
Ditto MSNBC.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:24:40 PM EST
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"Should I put a question mark at the end of my title?" she asked, feeling like she's sticking her tush out in the air.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:25:40 PM EST
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In addition to the dKosopedia entry and the Slate piece, I found this:

Planned Parenthood's take on Clement

and

People For the American Way on Clement

Honestly, she doesn't sound too troubling. Maybe Bush realizes now isn't the time for a fight, what with Rove and Bolton (whatever happened to him?)...

Diary of a Traitor

by Planet B (planb247(a)yahoo) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:37:19 PM EST
Troubling in the sense of BushCo troubling... the Federalist Society membership is it's own sort of troubling.

Diary of a Traitor
by Planet B (planb247(a)yahoo) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:40:08 PM EST
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Check this post at Confirm Them (A RedStates.org project):

Prayer answered-"No More Souters":

An extremely reliable source informs me that Alberto Gonzales will not be nominated by the president to the Supreme Court. According to Quasi-"Deep Throat":

POTUS is upset about it, but has been told and understands Gonzales is a deal breaker with conservatives. Gonzales has participated in forming a list without his name on it.

There's a great deal more that I wish could say, but I am sworn to secrecy. I will say this though, conservatives will NOT be disappointed with who the president has in mind to replace Rehnquist and O'Connor. Dubya is going to come through for us on his Supreme Court picks, folks, so get ready to rumble.

Uh oh. Looks like someone is gonna be majorly disappointed.

From a comment on that thread:

Comforting words about no more Souters, but complacency is our biggest enemy. Liberals are working overtime to push the pseudo-conservatives and Trojan horses. Gonzales and McConnell are just two examples.

Is Edith Brown Clement a third example? Anyone who knows her true views, speak now when it still counts.

I think I'll gladly take a Souter at this point.

Diary of a Traitor

by Planet B (planb247(a)yahoo) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 12:49:38 PM EST
If the cons are worried, she's probably not going to be a hardliner. I find her record disturbing, but not in a way that's going to keep me awake at night. That said, appearances can be deceiving, and it's not as if this administration hasn't ever worked to deceive.

Maybe this one is the trojan horse, and the next one will actually be a moderate. That's what I'd try if I were Karl Rove.

Of course, if I were Karl Rove, I'd shoot myself before I had a chance to tamper with the Supreme Court.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 04:58:10 PM EST
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by BooMan on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 01:03:12 PM EST
CNN announced via Scott McClellan that the announcement will happen at 9 pm tonite. That's an odd time.

I don't know anything about this nominee, but what I do know is that every pundit and their dog has been saying that they thought the only thing that will get Rove off the news radar screen is an announcement like this.

Bob Franken just said Scotty has cancelled today's briefing. Guess he's tired of being a pinata.

Regardless, keep the heat on Rove. Bush isn't going to win this publicity war.

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
The usual whole lot of nothing from James Ridgeway:

A former federal judge in the eastern district of Louisiana, she's on the Fifth Circuit now. Clement is thought to be a trustworthy conservative, but she has participated in few controversial cases. In one case she limited the claim in an auto accident suit, giving conservatives reason to believe that at the very least she would support Bush in his attack on lawyers and demands for tort reform.

And I liked this from advisorjim at Liberal Street Fighter:

A.k.a. Judge Who, Now? Judge Clement's list of landmark rulings could fill a Post-It. As noted by the Slate article, we really just don't know anything about her. Since everything else here as been so bad, let's call this one `good' until I find out otherwise.

Most interesting on my Google rampage, though, was this conservative law professor's piece at the National Review:

Joy Clement, in contrast, would be a harder target: Her own specialty was in maritime law; she has not dealt, in her opinions, with the hot-button issues of abortion and gay rights; and she has stirred no controversies in her writings or in her speeches off the bench. She would be the most disarming nominee, and it would be a challenge even for Ralph Neas or Moveon.org to paint her as an ogre who could scare the populace. The main unease would come in the family of conservatives: If people don't know her personally, they will suspect another Souter or Kennedy. For they have seen the hazard in relying on the assurances given even by the most reliable conservatives, who claim they can vouch for the nominee.

I would vouch for Joy Clement myself, and I would vouch for Edith Jones. But as I commend Joy Clement, I open myself to these searching questions from friends who have suffered the lessons of experience: If we know little, really, about her philosophy or jural principles, how do know that she will not alter when she is suddenly showered with acclaim from the law schools at Harvard and Columbia? Will she not be lured as she is praised in measures ever grander, as a jurist of high rank, as she "grows" with each step ever more "moderate" and liberal? Those who commend her face the risk of joining the ranks of those who offered assurance on Kennedy and Souter, and lost forevermore their credibility.

But even more unsettling than that, the willingness to go with the candidate without a crisp, philosophic definition may mark the willingness to act, once again, within the framework defined by the other side: It begins with the reluctance to admit that we have ever discussed the matter of abortion with this candidate, or that she has any settled views on the subject. In other words, it begins with the premise that the right to abortion is firmly anchored as an orthodoxy; that those who would question it are unwilling to admit in public that they bear any such threatening doubts. The willingness to accept premises of that kind, as the framework for confirmation, may account for a Republican party that has brought forth as jurists the team of Stevens, O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter.

Unless she's an ultraconservative can't-wait-to-overturn-Roe wolf in sheep's clothing, I'd say this is a win for the good guys and gals. This assumes, of course, that she is the nominee.

Diary of a Traitor

by Planet B (planb247(a)yahoo) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 01:10:21 PM EST
NICE roundup!  WOOHOO!

And this made me laugh out loud:

Judge Clement's list of landmark rulings could fill a Post-It.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 01:52:54 PM EST
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Yeah, let's hope that's what we'll also be saying 30 years from now.

Diary of a Traitor
by Planet B (planb247(a)yahoo) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 02:41:36 PM EST
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legal mind. She'll fit right in with the current mediocre majority on the court. For those of us who care about more civil liberties than abortion, she doesn't sound like especially good news. "Not much worse than O'Connor or Rehnquist" is not good news, but probably as much as we can expect in this blighted nation.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 01:39:27 PM EST
...and you're right, her record on that is not too promising.

media girl
by media girl on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 03:06:53 PM EST
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Yes, her take on the whole "people versus corporations" issue seems to come down solidly on the side of the corporations. Looks like the right's aiming for a roll-back of the new deal and people as second-class citizens, something that the pro-choice organizations should get worked up about.



Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?
by Egarwaen on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 03:46:20 PM EST
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She's a pretty attractive lady for her age, actually.

"And the end of all our journeying shall be to arrive back where we started and know the place for the first time."----TS Eliot
by gilgamesh (expat at yahoo dot it) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 01:53:39 PM EST
I had $500 on Judge Judy...

Your concepts are like a stake that a donkey can be tethered to for 10 million years ~ Zen saying
by wry twinger (danmc15@hotmail.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 02:36:32 PM EST
Congrats, then.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 02:49:34 PM EST
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wrong Edith:

They are getting tips that the nominee is Edith H. Jones.

http://redstate.org/

And this is what we know about her:

With no warning or explanation, Circuit Judge Edith H. Jones of Houston signed an order against hearing arguments to reconsider Roe v. Wade.

To thine own self be true. W.S.

by sybil on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 03:09:25 PM EST
My gut tells me it will be Jones instead of Clement.

Some random thoughts on why:

Jones was described over at Redstate.org as a female Scalia.  Clement is definitely the lesser evil here, and that is one reason I think it will be Jones.  Bush enjoys sticking it to the Democrats and he won't pass up a chance to do it on an important issue like this.

Bush always wants a fight.  He does much better in the public opinion war when he can make an issue look like an us against them thing.  He won't get as big of a fight with with Clement as he would with Jones.

Bush sees compromise as weakness and Clement appears to be much more of a compromise candidate.

The Press will go apeshit over the possibility of a contentious nomination hearing and the Rove/Plame thing will be drowned out even more.

That's where I saw the Leprchaun. He tells me to burn things! -R. Wiggum

by Blue Neponset (blueneponset - at - yahoo - dot - com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 04:13:41 PM EST
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Assholes.  I have this awful feeling too.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."
by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 05:11:49 PM EST
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Beware of any of the spin on this. Clement's name is likely a deliberate diversion to help facilitate catching the Dems flatfooted when the actual announcement is made.

My guess is the nominee will be the extremist Priscilla Owen.

Denial is our most dangerous adversary.

by sbj on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 03:42:56 PM EST
What do ya'll make of this? (this was the first question asked her):

We will start with Judge Clement. In your responses to the committee's questionnaire, your answers to a question about judicial activism interested us. You said, ``Certainly, once a judge concludes that the legislature has acted within its constitutional powers, the court's role is to uphold the law. However,'' you said, ``in determining whether or not the legislative or the executive branch has acted within its constitutional powers, the court should be activist in its consideration of constitutional definitions, granting of powers, and guarantees of liberties in determining the meaning of the text.''

Judge Clement, could you explain what you meant when you said a court should be activist?

and then Clement answers:

Well, I certainly didn't mean it in a negative sense. Judicial activism has been criticized as when a jurist oversteps the bounds of the Constitution or recognized constitutional statutes and attempts to inflict the will of the jurist on either the legislative or the executive branch or the people. What I believe is that when legislation is proposed and passed and becomes statutory that there is a presumption of constitutionality. And to the extent, the statute should be upheld and the Constitution should be enforced.

I'm not all all sure that I know what she's talking about here....

I want something else, to get me through this, semi-charmed kinda life..
Third Eye Blind

by brinnainne on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 04:20:48 PM EST
If the buzz is right, she's confirmed, probably by one of the largest margins in recent memory.

Why George W. Bush would nominate someone like her is, to say the least, puzzling.  But, don't sniff a gift fish.  

Clearly, the woman is a Republican and leans right, instead of left.  But, at worst, she seems from all the data gathered so far on a par with Kennedy.  It would be a modest course correction to the right, not a lurch.  She certainly doesn't bear any of the hallmarks of a Scalia or a Thomas.  If she was someone like that she would have a paper trail by now.

Where are we headed: Wash Park Prophet

by ohwilleke (ohwilleke at hotmail.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 04:44:59 PM EST


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