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Riffing on Kid Oakland (& Jeffrey Feldman)

by pastordan
Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 09:15:08 PM EST

Thank God for people like Kid Oakland and Jeffrey Feldman, whose thoughts are so fertile they've fed an entire generation of bloggers by now. I've discovered that it's worth reading these gentlemen, if for no other reason than what ideas they spark in my own head.

Just as one example, in Kid Oakland's post from the other night, "the buck never stops", I came across this list of what K.O. is thinking about as the 2006 election cycle approaches:

  • Accountability.
  • Reality.
  • Pragmatism

We are the party of "the buck stops here", and we need to trumpet that from the rooftops.

When I first read the Kid's post, I didn't see a place in his thoughts for religious progressives. Certainly many people would see faith as the opposite of "reality-based". And yet, I'm convinced that there is a place for progressive religion in the next cycle--at least to the extent that other voices can be heard within the Democratic party.

So the question becomes, how can we reconcile these seeming opposites?

Well, one could take a stab at it through the philosophical sense of pragmatism, but I think the key here is accountability.

Or more properly, responsibility. I believe that the contemporary Republican party is deeply, profoundly, irresponsible--in more ways than one might suspect when we use that term flippantly.

To help us understand that, I want to introduce you--very briefly--to the work of the theologian H. Richard Niebuhr, brother to Reinhold and uncle (father?) of Gustav Niebuhr, the longtime "Godbeat" reporter for the New York Times. Niebuhr believed in what he called "the responsible self," essentially that who we are is constituted in response to other people or things. For example, he proposed that the way we know of our own existence is by seeing others respond to our presence.

I swear I'm going somewhere with this.

Theologically speaking, Niebuhr thought that we live in response to God's initial action. Furthermore, he asserted, that action created a framework for responsiveness: community. The basic nature of humanity is communal, he argued (specifically for Christians, it is the ekklesia, the gathered body). Community provides support and nurturance--but also structure and accountability.

You still with me?

If you are, notice that for our purposes, it's not necessary to claim God at work in community. Philosophically, it's enough to say that human nature is communal.

Where it begins to get interesting is in Niebuhr's description of the responsible self. It acts in response to interpreted action. Interpretation is as basic as breathing for Niebuhr; there is no "safe space" in which to escape to absolutes or absolutism in his thought. We perceive action taken upon us, and we respond accordingly; but perception is faulty, and so we must interpret.

Another aspect of the responsible self is its accountability. By this, Niebuhr means something of an expansion on the golden rule. It's not just "do unto an other," but "to others." Since we exist in community, our moral thought necessarily takes into account not just individuals, but webs of people. If you've ever led a group of people, you'll understand how this works. If I say x to y, y will take that to z, who will then use it to make z1 cry...In order to be truly moral, Niebuhr says, you have to learn to think in terms of the community, and indeed, of how communities interact with one another. (Much of his work was written in the 1950s, when there was a heightened awareness of the need for different cultures to work with one another for the good of the global community. We've lost some of that these days.) Responsibility involves social solidarity, the ability to identify and work on behalf of, groups of people larger than oneself, larger than just one's tribe.

So here's the kernel of the difference between the Democratic approach to politics and the Republican: Democrats are able to respond to people, to communities, outside their own. Think of every time you've ever thought of the current administration: "these folks must have really sucked on the 'plays well with others' criteria." What have we been saying for the past five years? Broken treaties, broken alliances, broken promises, broken laws, broken responsibilities. These folks are irresponsible because they don't respond to other's actions, nor do they understand (or care about) the response their actions elicit from others. They are unaccountable because they have divorced themselves not from facts, but from other people. They have limited the horizon of their responsibility to a frighteningly small group of people: the Bush family and those who owe it loyalty.

Furthermore, I believe, this is the con game behind the con game that Republicans have been running ever since Nixon: in the short run, being irresponsible is a net gain. I can, if I want, leave my dirty laundry laying around the house in the hopes that Mrs Pastor will pick it up. But in the long-term, irresponsibility is a net loss: if I leave my laundry laying around too long, Mrs P is not only going to stop cleaning it, but she's going to divorce my sorry ass.

(Please take note: I do NOT leave my laundry laying around. I do however occasionally "forget" to clean the bathroom.)

The Republican version of this game has been to split communities off from one another. First it was blacks and whites. Then it was blacks and whites, within undertones of Christians vs. everbody else. Then it was gays and lesbians vs. Christians, and lately Muslims vs. "civilization" and the French World vs. the Anglo-American World. Through it all has been the pulse of Republican division: the rich vs. the poor. It's a neat trick, actually: they've been able to convince who knows how many poor folk to vote for them on the promise that they'll get some of the rich folks' pie, all the while stacking the deck to make sure that that will never happen.

Nice work, if you can get it. I'm beginning to hope that you won't be able to for much longer.

Ah, but there's more...to be accountable, in Niebuhr's thought, is exactly to be reality-based. You have to know and understand how you affect other people in order to be accountable. You have to ask yourself, "To whom or what am I responsible, and in what community of interaction am I myself?"

Who does that remind you of?

To my ears, that sounds an awful lot like Martin Luther King. I haven't researched it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the connection between the two was Howard Thurman, a black theologian and strong advocate of the community.

In any case, it's following that lead that shows us how to break the frame (thank you very much, Mr. Feldman), and be responsible where the Republicans are not.

  • When it comes to questioning Judge Roberts or any other SCOTUS nominee, we need to say: "We are being responsible to the community of our great nation, which deserves a full and honest disclosure of this nominee's thoughts." Ditto Josh Bolton or any other nominee.

  • When it comes to bringing to light the misbehavior of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, we need to say, "We are being responsible to the world community, who deserve an accounting of our leadership in the War on Terror." Or, for the religious-minded: "We are being responsible to the community of the children of God, who deserve to know what has happened to their brothers and sisters in their name."

  • When it comes to bringing to light the misbehavior of Downing Street, we need to say, "We are being responsible to the community of our partners, who deserve to know what we have gotten them into."

  • When it comes to Social Security, we need to say, "We are being responsible to our own community, of those about to retire, and those still looking forward to retirement. They deserve to know that their years of hard work and contribution to the greater good is not being squandered for the benefit of the few."

  • When it comes to pushing the issue of the formation of Dick Cheney's energy policy, we need to say, "We are being responsible to the community of all who live within the borders of the United States. They deserve to know that their own nest is not being fouled by recklessness and greed."

  • When it comes to pushing the issue of the disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity, we need to say, "We are being responsible to the community of the brave men and women who risk their lives on behalf of this country. They deserve to know that their sacrifice will not be sold on the cheap for political gain."

We could go on like this all night, I'm sure, and I encourage you to add your wrinkles below. Responsibility draws people together in solving problems; irresponsibility divides them and leaves somebody else to clean the carpets. It's that simple.

So in every act of malfeasance, in every act of injustice, arrogance, pettiness, or simple dumkopfery, we need to stand up and answer the question "To whom am I responsible?" with: "I am responsible to the Beloved Community" and the question "In what community am I myself?" with "the American community, where leaders are accountable, realistic, and pragmatic, the women are strong, and the children are above average, each and every one of them."

If that's the only contribution progressive religion makes to contemporary politics--and I'm not saying their only ones who can make it--then I think we will have done much toward the healing of our nation.



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I keep going back to this by George Lakoff. Lately, the part of it that I have been thinking about most is:

All types of progressives adhere to the central moral values of empathy and responsibility.

What makes us progressives is a compulsion to continually attempt to see the world through others' eyes (empathy), and doing that, we never question that we must act on what we see (responsibility). Explains a lot to me.

I know. But I do not approve. And I am not resigned. -Edna St. Vincent Millay

by Janet Strange (jstrange1925athotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 09:28:58 PM EST
I'm telling you, this Niebuhr stuff is gold, pure gold. It's something of an injustice that he could never escape the shadow of his brother...

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 09:48:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What you have written is pious non-sense.It's offensive and presumptuous And I personally have to say I am so sick of GOD. I mean to imagine that you can incorporate this ....concept called God and integrate into a discussion about human politics.

But it is of course those who have dedicated their lives to the invisible entity that they cannot see, touch or feel must direct the less fortunate who fail to see the beauty of his power and presence with gifts, guns and or threats. It's incredible how much the clergy knows about God and his infinite wisdom and kindness. I am sick of this. You guys have a very bad historical relationship to humanity and it's being played out in Iraq. Whether you a Muslim or Christian or a Jew. These religions trap the attention of humanity and prevent it from becoming aware of what we are. Religion is slavery imho. It's intellectualized non-sense. I'm not going to go into it but....

You think too much and understand to little. What the hell are you talking about? Youv'e got all this intellectual twine wrapped and twisted all around you and you are trying to make sense of it.

Then you call Abu Ghraib MISBEHAVIOR. Are you nuts? That's murder and rape of adults and children. How the fuck is that misbehavior? For misbehavior you get sent to the principles  office.  You piety always has to get in the way. Piety and humility  are the "framing  language" of religion. It plays on people sympathies. it disarms them..

 The TRUTH is  You are in essence demeaning these victims by calling the experience with the Americans who tortured, humiliated, murdered and raped them a Misbehavior.  . They are really good people, they just misbehaved.

 Apparently the government agrees with you because they are doing everything they can to continue this practice and to cover up what available. There's a photo of a 8 year girl being tortured, videos of teen boys being raped and female iraqi being raped and apparently people being murdered by American and Iraqi soldiers in their employ misbehaving.

Let me put it this way. Your not helping anyone. Your causing damage.

I know you are not accustomed to being talked to this way. It's therapy for you.

by Stu Piddy on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 10:04:50 PM EST
is the preferred way to debate here, Stu.  Also, Dan has been an outspoken opponent of torture, which should not be surprising if you are familiar with the history of his demonination, and with liberal Christianity more generally.
by BooMan on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 10:10:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hmmm...I sort-of agree with you, though maybe not with the overall tone or manner of delivery.

I am a secular humanist, and though I try to be accepting of other points of view, I do not like religion - I distrust it.  On the whole I believe it has had an adverse effect on humanity and held it back from its full potential.

I do not want to make a "place" for religion in politics - I believe religion should be totally set apart from politics (though what motivates an individual is their own business).  I think trying to incorporate religion leads to seperatism among people that could really work together towards their common humanistic goals.  Is it not possible to work towards these goals without hoisting the banner of God everywhere you go?

"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."

by OrdinaryVanity on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 09:24:00 AM EST
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I would consider myself a secular humanist too.  I think we might make up roughly 5-15% of the population.  If we want to have our values respected we need the help of people of faith that understand and respect our values.

We can wish everyone shared our views, but we can't make it so.  Moreover, the desire to convert everyone to your point of view is the very problem that has undermined the legitimacy of organized religion.  We should not follow that example.

 

by BooMan on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:30:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's kinda my point, though.

Why can we not work together without having to inject our personal beliefs into it?

"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."

by OrdinaryVanity on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:36:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
is because we are human beings and not some idealized, perfected ubermensches.  
by BooMan on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:38:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I disagree with the "keep your personal opinions out of it" mode.  I think the key to unity within diversity is to claim our own particular sources of strength without insisting, as you say, that they become everyone else's source.

(The number of secular humanists is incredibly difficult to pin down, by the way. It depends on whether you want to accept self-described "secular" folks as having no significant affiliation, or as committed humanists. I dunno.)

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.

by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:43:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, but...

...as a result of personal experience, any time (and I mean ANY time) I hear someone bring up religion I start to wonder about their ulterior motives.  It actually blocks what could otherwise be free discourse.  I freely admit that this is in large part a problem with how I see things, but there is also certainly a component of believers wanting to convert others and looking for "windows" to push their beliefs.

"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."

by OrdinaryVanity on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:49:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think that's something we are going to have to get over, though. And I really do mean we: faithforward types will have some convincing to do that we mean no harm, and secularists will have to develop their trusting skills...

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 11:01:29 AM EST
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as I age.  I've given up missionary work for agnosticism.  I still believe in agnosticism, but I don't care to try to convince anyone anymore.

As for the number of secular humanists, I'm going by polls that show only 3-15% of American self-identify as non-believers in a God.

by BooMan on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 11:02:34 AM EST
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I used to be a proselytizing atheist, but after I got over myself I came to accept that I don't really know better than anyone else, so let's just get over it and move on to matters of more consequence.

Tengo un sueño.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 11:09:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, I used to go back and forth with galiel about this. Do those figures represent an absence of belief, or do they represent a positive commitment to a particular perspective?

Depends on who you ask, I think.

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.

by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 12:03:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
in my case, I stick to the fact that I don't know.

There are things that I am pretty certain are not the case.  Like, I'm pretty certain that Jesus didn't go up in the sky in an assumption.

But as for the origins of the universe, the meaning of life, the possibility of afterlife... I have my well educated opinions, but they are no better than anyone else's well educated opinions.

My favorite ancient greek word is: agnoeo (I don't know).

by BooMan on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 12:15:04 PM EST
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Hah!

I'm perfect, of course...I guess that's why I wonder...snort

"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."

by OrdinaryVanity on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:44:08 AM EST
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Wow! Superbly done pastordan!
by Chris Andersen (chris.andersen4@verizon.net) on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 10:05:54 PM EST
I posted a comment on Man Eegee's immigration diary a couple days ago that I think is relevant to this discussion.  In particular:
So, it seems to me that the best way to solve the illegal immigration 'problem' is to make it less attractive for people to immigrate illegally.  Make it easier to immigrate legally, but reduce the apparent need to do so.  Help other governments create better living conditions for their citizens so that they don't live in such dire circumstances that they need to flee to the US.  Do a better job of regulating companies and businesses that try to underpay illegal immigrants.  If they were forced to pay a livable minimum wage, they would be less likely to hire illegal immigrants in the first place.  This takes away an illegal immigrants advantage in getting a slave-labor job, and also protects them from being taken advantage of by people who know they can get away with it.

This is going to be another division, like those you mentioned, that the Republicans are going to try to create (us against them).  It's important that we realize that in this area, as in many, by upholding our responsibilities to the international community, we simultaneously work to uphold those responsibilities in our smaller American community.

Tengo un sueño.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 10:13:33 PM EST
in fact, immigration has been listed as a potential wedge issue between conservatives by conservative Christians themselves.

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:31:55 AM EST
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What a treat to see the names of the Niebuhrs, Martin Luther King, and Howard Thurman together in the same diary inspired by K.O. and Feldman. Nice juxtaposition.
And what a thoughtful diary it is.
"We are being responsible to..." is a reliable ethical yardstick to hold up to any proposed action, personal or collective.

gretel

by gretel on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 02:50:38 AM EST
I didn't even realize the number of people I was name-checking there...

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:38:24 AM EST
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Thank you for a very thought-provoking diary.

Our need for community is intrinsic. Considering our animal nature, we cannot survive without others. We need to be taken care of and taught for many years.

Yet we are individual entities with consciousness and the ability to make choices. This has been, IMO, distorted in our cultural myth of the "independent man," the "loner," someone able to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps." Ayn Rand comes to mind.

But I found out when reading about Rand that she left Europe and came to the U.S. to family. It made me wonder how many others were there in her life who helped her, what communities did she belong to?

Our cultural myth of "anyone can make it here" has been used against us. It has been twisted into, "if you can't make it, then there must be something wrong with you." And it has been twisted into, "government can't tell me what to do."

Clinton's book, "It Takes a Village," was mocked. In the local paper someone wrote a letter saying, "it takes a family to raise a child." And we have seen the Republicans use the family unit in its marketing.  

What this has turned into is individuals and family units struggling on their own. There is a sense of "aloneness." In my town many people belong to a church community, not just for a spiritual community, but for a social community.

Over the years I have watched some of these churches expand into "full service" churches with gyms and secondary buildings for classes and gatherings. Their buses drive all over the town on Sundays and during the summer days and evenings.

This has contributed to the splintering of people within the town. Not that there is active hostility, but that folks are not mixing it up at the town park or at the local Y. Seeing each other as "us" and "them" is becoming easier. Those who belong to such a church are less inclined to support raising their taxes for the town pool or other town communal facilities.

I am not sure how to reverse this and move toward the larger sense of community you describe. I am not sure how much support people can get from their church if they are struggling to find a job, pay their bills, get medical care, etc.

Both "reality" and "pragmatism" can include "community" also. Perhaps expressed in a slogan along the lines of, "With Democrats, you are not alone."

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. (George Carlin)

by tampopo on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 09:17:09 AM EST
Great movie :D

"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."
by OrdinaryVanity on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:36:56 AM EST
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One of the problems progressive Christianity in particular has had to face is that we prefer to contribute to civic society, rather than privatized faith. That is to say, we'd rather empower people to raise funds for a city-operated swimming pool than for one owned by a local church. Works great for the community, but it doesn't give us much of an "identity" with which to strengthen our own numbers.

Streetprophets: where the cookies live now.
by pastordan (streetprophet at verizon dot net) on Tue Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:37:23 AM EST
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