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Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win''

by howieinseattle
Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 04:27:18 PM EST

The reporter thought his comment that Iraq is now a "Civil War" was "the story." But I don't agree. It's this:

"He also said Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., could win the Democratic nomination for president in 2008, but that she would lose in the general election."

On Iraq:"He wants U.S. troops to be redeployed to Kuwait and areas around Iraq. He predicted there will be fewer than 100,000 troops by midsummer and that the pullout by the end of the year."

"We're not cutting and running. We're giving the Iraqis incentive to take over," he said."-from the AP story in today's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (PA).

With this and Kerry's position out in front on the filibuster, not a good day for Hillary.

Cross-posted at www.seattlefordean.com and www.howieinseattle.com.

Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' | 19 comments (19 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (4.00 / 5)

And there's Molly Ivins' "Why Hillary Can't Save Us."

Thank god some courageous Democrats are speaking up now, two years before ... we have GOT to get candidates with REAL guts who represent REAL alternatives.

Hillary's flag-burning escapade really turned me off. It was just too obvious.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 03:52:34 PM EST

Hilary has finally come out for filibuster! (4.00 / 4)

and so has Feinstein!

The battle is on! Fight to get the other laggards on the frontlines:

First : Call the two Democrats (Mary Landrieu, Ken Salazar) who oppose Alito but also said they oppose a filibuster. We must persuade them that a vote against Alito is meaningless if they don't support a filibuster. Senator Salazar (D-CO) 202-224-5852 Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) 202-224-5824

Second : Call your own Democratic Senator: 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here: http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/dbq/officials/?lvl=C

Third : Unbelievably, three Democrats (Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson and Robert Byrd) support Alito! Tell them to either support filibuster or at least "don't get in the way." Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) 202-224-6551 Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) 202-224-3954 Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) 202-224-5842
888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here: http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/dbq/officials/?lvl=C

Fourth: Call the "Red State" Democrats: (Message same as above -- "No" is meaningless) Tom Carper (DE)
Kent Conrad (ND)
Byron Dorgan (ND)
Blanche Lincoln (AR) Mark Pryor (AR)

Fifth : Call these "Blue State" and pro-choice Republicans: (Message: A "Unitary Executive" is dangerous to balance of powers--please do not get in the way of a filibuster.) Lincoln Chafee (RI)
Susan Collins (ME)
Lisa Murkowsky (AK)
Bob Smith (OR)
Olympia Snowe (ME)
Ted Stevens (AK)

For extra credit, call all of the 2008 Presidential candidates who are sitting Senators--Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold, and John Kerry--and tell them to either LEAD THE FILIBUSTER or KISS YOUR SUPPORT GOODBYE. 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here: http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/dbq/officials/?lvl=C

You can also send that message to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (202-224-2447) and the Democratic National Committee (202-863-8000).
Polls and public opinion are another way to apply pressure -- get word out about why Alito needs to be filibustered:

Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper. (Click here)

People for the American Way has collected nearly 65,000 signatures to send to the Senate, please add yours: Save the Court Petition

John Kerry has endorsed this anti-Alito petition, signers' names will be read into the Congressional Record:http://www.johnkerry.com/...

by judybrowni (judybrowni@usa.net) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 04:05:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Blanche Lincoln (4.00 / 2)

has just announced, within the hour, that she is opposing Alito's nomination. It was on the local radio news here (unfortunately I live in AR).

But I did not hear if she would support a filibuster or not.

"Are you a Mod or a Rocker?"
"No, I'm a Mocker."

by Billy Shears (blly_shrs@yahoo.com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:06:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Feinstein!!! (4.00 / 2)

Dang. I think I have to call her office and tell her she now has my undying loyalty...who'da thunk?!

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:07:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

p.s. - Feinstein!!! (none / 0)

Office called, undying loyalty pledged.

"History is ruthless, and will never flatter anybody." Zhou Enlai

by Other Lisa (redandexpert at that mega-ISP called yahoo.) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:22:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually (none / 0)

I think she never came out and opposed a filibuster, just thought it was "unlikely". Wish she'd been more in the forefront of the effort, but better in the trenches than on the opposing line...

I'm gonna tell all you fascists, you may be surprised People all over this world are getting organized -- Wilco

by Cali Scribe on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:34:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Feinstein!!! (none / 1)

Undying loyalty I can't do, but maybe I'll try to be polite about my Senator for a week or two. Let's see if she is any good on warrantless wiretaps.

Can It Happen Here?

by janinsanfran on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:52:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (4.00 / 3)

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

Man, I love me some Murtha.

That dude has got shit together, no doubt.

He is exactly right: Hillary winning the nomination is the right's wet dream. She will mobilize voters, no doubt about it... the only problem is that those voters will be coming in droves to vote against her.

"Are you a Mod or a Rocker?"
"No, I'm a Mocker."

by Billy Shears (blly_shrs@yahoo.com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:03:30 PM EST

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (none / 1)

He's so right - on the military and Clinton.

Clinton carries too much baggage. On principles, imho, she waits for the windmill before she tilts.

On the baggage thing, have no doubt. Only 2 days ago, Rumsfeld was blaming Clinton for the state of the army.

Right or wrong, a united GOP would love a run against Clinton in a weakened and divided party. Swift boating? Oh my, you'd never dream Abramoff-NSA-Scooter-Rove ever existed.

Also, I think after 2 Bushies, we're not ready for another dynasty try.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 07:43:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You've said it exactly (none / 0)

also:

Hillary winning the nomination is the right's wet dream. She will mobilize voters, no doubt about it... the only problem is that those voters will be coming in droves to vote against her.

Wet dream is right, mobilize opponents is right -- and there go the other races at the same time.

by LookingUp on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 02:42:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (4.00 / 2)

Raw Story now says Diane Feinstein is in on filibuster.

by robobooman on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:12:33 PM EST

Hooray for Murtha!!! (4.00 / 3)

Hillary had better LISTEN UP!!!!!

Murtha flanked by CodePink members

Thank You Congressman Murtha!
CODEPINK co-founder Gael Murphy and DC coordinator Allison Yorra met with Congressman Murtha to thank him for his courageous stand on Iraq. We presented him with our pink badge of courage and pink flowers sent by CODEPINK members nationwide. Rep Murtha was very appreciative of these gestures as he has been receiving many responses to his public denouncement of the war. Murtha said that while many of the calls and emails have been supportive, those opposed have been quite vitriolic. He stated that the best support of his position and of the troops would be to ask legislators to support H.J Res 73 (Murtha's resolution). In addition to the flowers, Murtha requested that we use additional donations for the wounded at Walter Reed. DC CODEPINK along with Veterans for Peace, Military Families Speak Out, US Labor Against the War and other peace groups involved in the weekly vigil at Walter Reed recently delivered baskets of goodies to the wounded at Walter Reed. Together, with Murtha's office, we will be continuing this outpouring of kindness and support to the wounded soldiers from CODEPINK.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

by Damnit Janet on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:34:28 PM EST

Maybe CODEPINK (4.00 / 3)

should start sending Hillary (and other Dems opposed to Iraq timetable) bouquets of dead pink roses? They could symbolize the American soldiers that continue to die while they dither about...

I'm gonna tell all you fascists, you may be surprised People all over this world are getting organized -- Wilco

by Cali Scribe on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:37:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yaknow, that idea has some merit (none / 0)

I hope you write and suggest it to them.

by LookingUp on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 02:43:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (none / 0)

The question isn't addressed in the story, but I'd like to know why(?) Murtha feels this way.

howieinseattle

by howieinseattle on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 03:57:18 PM EST

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (none / 1)

Just speculating here, but I imagine that he feels that way because it is true.

"Are you a Mod or a Rocker?"
"No, I'm a Mocker."

by Billy Shears (blly_shrs@yahoo.com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:04:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (none / 1)

Russ, where the hell are you?

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 04:00:23 PM EST

Re: Murtha: ''Hillary Can't Win'' (none / 1)

Yeah!

CNN kinda did a hatchet job on John Kerry -- along with some snotty help from Scottie mcClellan ... but at least they included some key footage of some of Kerry's statement....

and Candy Crowley said that Kerry had PROMISED this during his campaign, and that he is keeping his word.

Nice, Candy. Thank you.

Hickok: "You know the sound of thunder. Can you imagine that sound if I ask you to? Ma'am, listen to the thunder."

by susanhu (susanhuatearthlinkdotnet) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 04:42:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

George Baby Praises Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

.
Morning Yahoo News Headline One Can't Miss ::

Bush Calls Hillary Clinton 'Formidable'

WASHINGTON DC (ABC/AP) Jan 28, 2006 -- President Bush said that Sen. Hillary Clinton, a potential candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, is "formidable," but he declined to speculate on which Republicans might run for the White House in 2008.

"This is an unusual year because this is the first time there hasn't been a kind of natural successor in the party," Bush said in an interview with "CBS Evening News". Two wide-open primaries with no sitting vice president running in either primary, so this is I can't remember a time when it's been this open."

CBS Evening News - Interview

SCHIEFFER: Well, let me ask you: If they continue to insist that they're going to do it in their country, Senator Clinton, for example, who seems closer to your policy on Iraq than to some in her own party, is already saying sanctions now. Do you think sanctions would work against Iran?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, first of all, we have already sanctioned Iran. The United States Government has got sanctions in place on Iran. I think probably what she is referring to is whether or not we should refer Iran to the United Nations Security Council. I have said that is certainly a very--a real possibility, and that once we are in the Security Council, of course, that's one of the options, but we are going to work with our friends and allies to make sure that when we get in the Security Council, we will have an effective response.

President Bush and Bob Schieffer, right, at the White House. [Yeah, on the right - thanks CBS! - Oui]

SCHIEFFER: But as some would say, that you put sanctions on Iran, it will drive the price of oil sky high and that will hurt everybody's economy.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, that's certainly one of the considerations that--that we will take into account as we work with the Perm Five, other members of the Perm Five on the United Nations Security Council.

SCHIEFFER: Let me--let me ask you, everyone in the government says the nuke--the military option can never be taken off the table. Have you actually reviewed plans, if it came to exercising the military option?

PRESIDENT BUSH: I think it's best I just leave it that all options should be on the table, and the last option is the military option. We have got to work hard to exhaust all diplomacy and that's what you're--that's what the country is seeing happen.

SCHIEFFER: But is that possible? Some people say with our forces stretched thin in Iraq already, we might not be able to launch an attack on anybody.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, I--I--I--I would disagree with that. I think we've got plenty of capability, but I--it--it--it--the first option, of course, is to--is to solve this problem diplomatically, and that's where we are working to do.

SCHIEFFER: Let's talk about Iraq. You say we're going to stay there until we get the job done, but last summer it seems to me, Mr. President, that public support for the war began to erode.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Um-hmm.

SCHIEFFER: Why do you think that happened?

PRESIDENT BUSH: I think--I think that people saw death on the TV screens without a sense that we are making progress. That's why I started giving these speeches. You--you might remember that--obviously you remember Katrina hit.

SCHIEFFER: Yeah.

Hillary Clinton Speech at Princeton on 19 January -- "I believe that we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations".

SORRY HILLARY - LOOK IN THE MIRROR, WRONG PARTY AND WRONG ELECTION. YOUR STANCE REFLECTS 2004 POLLS, WATCH FOR ELECTION SURPRISE IN 2006 AND 2008! LOOK AT OTHER ELECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, PEOPLE ARE REVOLTING TO CORRUPTION AND THE ESTABLISHMENT, AND WANT CHANGE: CHANGE, TRUE REPRESENTATION AND LEADERSHIP!

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY

by Oui on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 05:46:37 AM EST

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