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Bush: Iraq "could be" Comparable to Tet Offensive

by Street Kid
Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 03:10:30 AM EST

ABC:

When interviewed by George Stephanopoulos, President Bush answered a question about a newspaper column comparing Iraq to the 1968 Tet offensive in Vietnam, might be accurate.  Specifically, he was asked if he agreed with the opinion of columnist Tom Friedman, of The New York Times that the two may be equilivent and answered,

"He could be right.  There's certainly a stepped-up level of violence, and we're heading into an election."

continued

Bush has his Vietnam:  The Herald:

American commentators are looking increasingly to Vietnam for lessons on how to proceed in Iraq. In Vietnam, the Americans went in on one side in an ongoing civil war, whereas they imposed war on Iraq. At least one US diplomat, however, has argued that they are similar in producing a "quagmire effect" on US troops, who have become stuck fast as a result of policies of arrogance, applied in ignorance of the culture and history of the countries.
That is essentially what has come to pass from George W Bush's intention to bring democracy to Iraq. He has nowdefined his vision of democracy as "whether schools were being built, hospitals being opened". The truth, however, is that, while there are pockets of progress, most people have electricity for only a few hours a day and are struggling to get enough water.

Christian Science Monitor:

In the midst of this, many average Iraqis say they are frightened and are increasingly looking to militias for protection.

Kamal Hussein, a Shiite contractor, says he doesn't go to a job site without at least six armed bodyguards, and that his work is drying up. "I've never seen a situation like this. We have killings, people fleeing our neighborhoods, joblessness and the government has no control. They're completely failing."

Khaleeh Times:

Washington would add insult to injury if it claims all those attacks are carried out by extremist groups like Al Qaeda. A huge chunk of Iraqi population hasn't still accepted the foreign occupation and continues to resist it. Besides, Iraq continues to attract fighters from near and far. In fact, it is, coupled with the war on terror, radicalising young people in the Muslim world. As the UK Army chief, General Danatt has rightly pointed out, the coalition forces are not part of the solution in Iraq but part of the problem. The sooner Washington realises this, the better for it and the rest of the world.

Riverbend:

Everyone knows the 'official numbers' about Iraqi deaths as a direct result of the war and occupation are far less than reality (yes- even you war hawks know this, in your minuscule heart of hearts). This latest report is probably closer to the truth than anything that's been published yet. And what about American military deaths? When will someone do a study on the actual number of those? If the Bush administration is lying so vehemently about the number of dead Iraqis, one can only imagine the extent of lying about dead Americans...

Electronic Iraq:

That howling chaos will reverberate throughout America for years, whether US troops stay in Iraq or not. This reality is here and now, in the USA; it is not a bad dream that can be left behind in the crowded, stinking morgues of Baghdad. Despite the stress it will incur, Americans must face the nightmarish reality that their government has created, and acknowledge that it was forged with their tacit complicity and silent assent.

Keith Olbermann:

A government more dangerous to our liberty, than is the enemy it claims to protect us from...

We have been here when President Woodrow Wilson insisted that the Espionage Act was necessary to save American lives, only to watch him use that Act to prosecute 2,000 Americans, especially those he disparaged as "Hyphenated Americans," most of whom were guilty only of advocating peace in a time of war.

American public speakers, in American jails, for things they said about America...

Many of the very people Wilson silenced survived him, and one of them even ran to succeed him, and got 900,000 votes, though his presidential campaign was conducted entirely from his jail cell.

Keith Olbermann continued:

We have listened to the little voice inside that has said, "the wolf is at the door; this will be temporary; this will be precise; this too shall pass."

We have accepted that the only way to stop the terrorists is to let the government become just a little bit like the terrorists.

The Invasion of Iraq is nothing more than a war for oil!

As a result, social programs that many in this country who live at or below the Federal poverty level are dependent upon for survival have been drastically reduced, in the name of short-term greed.

And for everyone, civilian or military, regardless of nationality or religious belief, the price is too high.



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also xposted at epm
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"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

by Street Kid on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 03:30:32 AM EST
There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

None of those are as harmful as my 4th category: every word ever uttered by Bush.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 08:41:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The U.S. is credited with winning the Tet offensive. Justly, I think.
The chicken hawks, who were nowhere near such a mess, forget that because they failed to support the troops, that they lost the American public, just as they are going to lose the American public in this war, except this time they'll have no victory to point to in their defense, because this time rather than successfully fighting back a set piece assault by conventional units, they're fighting off insurgents lacking a command and control structure to decapitate and disrupt.

"Think this through with me, Let me know your mind" Hunter/Garcia
by epcraig (epcraigatgmaildotcom) on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 05:19:48 AM EST
Tactically we won in the Tet offensive. Strategically we lost big time. The Tet offensive revealed that the whole Vietnam adventure had been based on the massive lie that we were going there to support the government and majority of the people againsta small number of communist insugents supported by teh evil North etc. Tet in it scope showed openly, something that the guys on the ground knew, that we were fighting the majority and Tet also destroyed the mythical high ground that we always try to base our adventures on.
A bit off subbject. It is strange that so few of our military officers and so called experts seem to understand anything about strategy, or why war is fought. They seem to live in the video arcade world of shoot em ups where if you win all the tactical battles, you always win the war.
Giap once said: "We can afford to lose longer than they can afford to win".
by observer393 on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 10:52:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Finally George W Bush is rewriting history, or at least history as he understands it...

Tet was a co-ordinated offensive launched by the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong against US and South Vietnamese forces. The daily slaughter in Iraq is far more complex. Only in part is it an insurgency against foreign occupiers, that threatens to make October 2006 the bloodiest month for US troops in almost two years.

link

"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

by Street Kid on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 07:49:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Problem is that what he means is that just like Vietnam (in the wingnut opinion) the US won militarily but but stabbed in the back by the liberal defeatists at home. What he means is that they need to stay the course so they can get the victory they were denied in Vietnam.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own. ----- George Carlin
by Poeschek (n_poeschek@yahoo.com) on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 12:28:42 PM EST
there also is growing frustration inside the U.S. military over Iraq, with some officers debating privately whether the situation there is salvageable.

    In recent weeks, senior military officers have offered a torrent of negative comments, a sharp contrast to the official optimism of the past three years...

link

"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

by Street Kid on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 08:31:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
politicians, military, and intellignece services for decades. First we lost in Vietnam. Very few leaders will admit what is on historical record, or at least on historical record outside what we can control. Second we should have seen that wee could not win in Vietnam. Third even if we did not see could not win, we should have learned from Vietnam in simple terms that you cannot impose on people what they do not want. However, for decades our leadership has not wanted to admit a defeat and admit they/we were wrong. They have prefered to revise history and create myths. One could ask what our guys died for in Vietnam if the leadership were only going to do the same again in the future. Think now about Iraq. If we can say we won when we lost or that we had to withdraw because of lack of support, then they can do it all again in the future. Then more dead Americans and more dead innocent non-Americans although I am not sure how many of my compatriots care about this detail anymore.
We have to learn to challenge these vile myths every time they are aired in the strongest posible way. Failure to do so will just inevitably lead to more sacrifice.  
by observer393 on Fri Oct 20th, 2006 at 10:43:01 PM EST
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