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Is Rove on His Way Out?

by BooMan
Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 04:20:02 PM EST

There appears to be something of a coup going on within the White House. According to Think Progress, the subscription only White House Bulletin reported today that Karl Rove may be on his way out.

Three reasons are cited:

    ...his partisan style is a hurdle to President Bush’s new push for bipartisanship.
    The election yesterday of Sen. Trent Lott to the number two GOP leadership position in the Senate is also a threat to the White House and Rove, who worked against him when he battled to save his majority leader’s job after his insensitive remarks about Sen. Strom Thurmond.
    ...Bush counsel Harriet Miers isn’t a fan, believing that Rove didn’t do enough to help her failed Supreme Court nomination among conservatives. In fact, one top West Wing advisor said that the unexpected ouster of Rove aide Susan Ralston over ethics questions was orchestrated by Miers as a signal to Rove to leave.

In my last post, I revisited a 2003 Ron Suskind article and I want to use it again here to give some context to what this might mean. The Suskind article was written in January 2003, right after the GOP took firm control of both houses of Congress. Here is how Suskind described the influence of Rove at that time.

At the moment when one-party rule returns to Washington—a state that existed, in fact, in the first five months of the Bush presidency, before Senator Jeffords switched parties—we are offered a rare view of the way this White House works. The issue of how the administration decides what to do with its mandate—and where political calculation figures in that mix—has never been so important to consider. This White House will now be able to do precisely what it wants. To understand the implications of this, you must understand Karl Rove.

"It’s an amazing moment," said one senior White House official early on the morning after. "Karl just went from prime minister to king. Amazing . . . and a little scary. Now no one will speak candidly about him or take him on or contradict him. Pure power, no real accountability. It’s just ‘listen to Karl and everything will work out.’. . . That may go for the president, too."

I'm going to quote a little more here to give further context.

In visiting the White House frequently from February to April of this past year, I interviewed much of the senior staff, as well as the First Lady. No one would utter so much as a word about Rove. They’d talk about one another, assessing the strengths, weaknesses, and specific roles of Hughes, Card, deputy chief of staff Josh Bolten, media adviser Mark McKinnon, communications chief Dan Bartlett, Cheney aide Mary Matalin, national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice, the vice-president, and, of course, the president himself. When I’d mention Rove, the reaction was always the same: "I can’t really talk about Karl." It was odd; it was extraordinary.

And here is how Bill Kristol saw things back then:

"I believe Karl is Bush. They’re not separate, each of them freestanding, with distinct agendas, as some people say. Karl thinks X. Bush thinks X. Clearly, it’s a very complicated relationship."

So, the very idea that Karl Rove might be on his way out signifies something truly revolutionary is happening within the halls of the White House. If Karl is Bush and Karl is on the way out, then what does that mean for Bush? This would literally be an example of the grown-ups stepping in to take over for the crown prince. And it isn't that hard to figure out why. Take a look at what Steven Clemons has to say about his dinner engagement two nights ago.

Sometimes in Washington after years of networking and bridge-building, doors are opened to some extraordinary meetings where elite political players and policy makers really do discuss how to govern the world while sipping wine.

I really can't discuss the participants or venue of a dinner I attended last night but suffice it to say that some of America's and Europe's leading current and former political personalities were there -- 60 people only -- and among them a few former Secretaries of State and foreign ministers, top intelligence officials, think tank chiefs, Senators and House Members, former National Security Advisors and Secretaries of Defense. The attendance list was extraordinary.

And the conversations -- on the whole -- were about the crappy condition of America's national security position. The guests in this dinner probably represented key participants in any new strategic consensus for the country. If there were brlliant, silver bullet ideas that might help this country move quickly beyond its problems, it would have been in such a crowd where such notions might be taken seriously and have impact.

But nothing. Absolutely nothing. People were depressed and dismayed about current conditions. One very, very senior Bush administration official when asked by me what ideas he had to stabilize Iraq and stop our slow bleed situation said he had exhausted what he felt was possible.

Another top tier official when another guest pushed him to move the President into some rational deal-making that might trigger a more fruitful trend, ominously said "don't hold your breath."

With Rumsfeld gone, Rove possibly gone, it's hard to recognize the old Bush administration. Iraq was always going to get to the point where we had "exhausted what...was possible" someday. It appears the big boys have finally decided to do something about it, even though there is nothing obvious that can be done.

The first step is in marginalizing the people that got us into the mess in the first place. Now that there is nothing political to gain or lose from hewing to Rove's talking points, there is no further need for him. But I'm not so sure that Rove will go so easily. After all, remember how he operates.

Eventually, I met with Rove. I arrived at his office a few minutes early, just in time to witness the Rove Treatment, which, like LBJ’s famous browbeating style, is becoming legend but is seldom reported. Rove’s assistant, Susan Ralston, said he’d be just a minute. She’s very nice, witty and polite. Over her shoulder was a small back room where a few young men were toiling away. I squeezed into a chair near the open door to Rove’s modest chamber, my back against his doorframe.

Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!" As a reporter, you get around—curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events—but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour.

If a wedge has opened now between Bush and Rove, it signals an earthshaking change in the power structure in Washington DC.



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Slipping into darkness seems to have started back a few months as the "situation in Iraq" drove it's way to the top of the election issue list, and "known conservatives" started turning on Bush.  I know you wrote about the phenomenon, and this exact possiblity, but can't remember a specific diary.

Point being this has been a slow burn, not a bonfire.  With these guys, every time they generate a headline I reach to make sure my wallet's still in my back pocket.  They are the masters of misdirection.

Released on a Friday? Check.  Massive news analysis?  Check.  Full weekend coverage?  Check.  WTF, corruption, war, lies, dismal poll numbers are so yesterday.

by rba on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 04:32:28 PM EST
This makes me think about Michael Ledeen's quote in that Vanity Fair article where all the neocons flipped on the Bush administration:

Ask yourself who the most powerful people in the White House are. They are women who are in love with the president: Laura [Bush], Condi, Harriet Miers, and Karen Hughes.

At first I thought it was just a "blame the women" throwaway comment. But thinking that Miers might be in the middle of getting rid of Rove gives me pause to think about it again. I know the wingers and neocons are all bent out of shape about Condi actually attempting negotiations in foreign affairs. I would guess if we start hearing and seeing more from Karen Hughes in the coming weeks, Ledeen might have nailed it for us.


Doesn't information itself have a liberal bias? Steven Colbert

by NLinStPaul on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 04:55:09 PM EST
I'll believe it when I see it.  Bush would be lost without Rove.  Remember when it looked like Karl was going to be indicted and he spent all his time fending off Fitzgerald?  The vaunted White House Message machine got seriously off track until Karl's legal troubles were over.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 04:56:29 PM EST
I'm with you, Steve. I could easily believe that this story is itself a Rove strategem.  I don't see how the Bush group can function effectively (I'm using their standards, not mine) without him. Of course, Bush may not realize this, but I'm not buying it until I see him moving out of DC and all connections severed. And I mean all: not just continuing to do his dirty deeds "off-site" somewhere to lower the heat.
by Kidspeak on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 05:11:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
WTF? Read slowly & carefully: " ...President Bush's new push for bipartisanship." Do any of you truly believe those words? What, are you high? C'mon, snap out of it, Rove's in for the duration.
by Double D on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 05:15:47 PM EST
He seems to be able to morph into whatever the football players need, he was a cheerleader ya know;)

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by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:45:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I can't help but comment on a side point, by calling attention to a tiny passage from the article that you quote. The author is speaking of a recent private gathering he attended of the powerful in and out of government, from both parties:


If there were brilliant, silver bullet ideas that might help this country move quickly beyond its problems, it would have been in such a crowd where such notions might be taken seriously and have impact.

It's the attitude! That's the precise difficulty we have with so much that happens in DC, whether it's the Whitehouse with the stupidity of its foreign policy, or the DLC crowd with its attack on the DNC and grassroots dems. It's the private little group of insiders that think they are the intelligentsia for the entire country.  If you aren't in DC - or possibly in one of the tiny enclaves in NY, Boston, etc. of like mind, you are invisible. Sheep to be herded along, sheared from time to time, brought out for photo ops, eaten as needed.

by Kidspeak on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 05:27:57 PM EST
That hit me, too. Especially in conjunction with Clemons's reverential tone as if he interviewed the Pope or Somebody Else Too High Up to be named, much less dealt with as just another guy. We are not worthy to know their identities, but given the "brilliance" we see daily out of DC, the quoted sentence would almost certainly be closer to the truth if "brilliant, silver bullet ideas" were replaced with "tedious, assinine cant".

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:14:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No way is KKKarl on his way out. This IS a Rovian spin no doubt.Bush bipartisan? That is a joke in itself. Rove is setting up the Dems so when they get everything vetoed by Bush KKKarl can say, see, we tried to cooperate and work together but the Dems are just too partisan. Another spinner for sure. Is it 2009 yet?  

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.
by alohaleezy on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 05:37:48 PM EST

Possibly Shakespearean in scope.

Daddy takes down son.

It may be obvious and bloody or it may be subtle. But the forces that either supported W. or remained "neutral" have now turned on him.

"Time's UP!!!"

"Next!"

Watch.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:09:46 PM EST
right now and freaking out.

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by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:46:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rove is on his way out or he isn't - it truly doesn't matter.  The Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Bush cabal can not push its agenda whatsoever.  This is possibly the lamest duck of a presidency ever - Clinton at least had some ideological points of agreement with Republicans and could get some things pushed through Congress post-Monica, but Bush has nowhere to go and nothing in common with Democrats, be it goals or methods.

All of this talk about Rove simply distracts people from focusing on the Democratic agenda come January, specifically reducing the troop levels in Iraq and increasing the minimum wage.  It's pure misdirection.

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:30:28 PM EST
I'm sure Rove is on his way out because my Ouija board told me the date:

the day after Fitzmas.

by wilfred on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 08:04:40 PM EST
Karl Rove lives and dies politics.  There are no politics left at the White House;  no one is running for election.  It is either bipartisanship, or vetoes; and the women who love the President.  

Karl needs a campaign; except, Karl is the lamest of dead ducks.  After losing the GOP the Congress, who is going to hire him?

by Jim S on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 at 08:13:24 PM EST
Booman, the shots may be called by Pops Bush, in an effort to save Fredo, err I mean Dubya from complete failure.

Pops Bush is known not to like Rove, or his style, and has fired him before for unsavory methods.  It was Fredo err I mean Dubya that wanted Rove.  But now that there is a public call to make Dubya accountable, and the to my way of thinking, the first whiffs and rumbles of a "Sam Dash/Sam Ervin/John Sirica" like investigation brewing in the not to distant future; the possibility that Pops wants to throw Rummy and Rove under the bus in order to save Fredo becomes all the more real.  Indeed Booman, I'm wondering if anyone involved with W.H.I.G. will survive the quiet purge that I think will happen, and is happening.

Pops has to be pissed, and bitterly disappointed.  Babs must just be "in his shit" over this and demanding Pops save "her son" every night and day.  And I can imagine Babs screaming at the TV wishing Olberman ill, demanding someone strangle Michael Moore, cursing at Froomkin, Sirota, Turley, Krugman, and Rich and just utterly livid at Arianna Huffington.  Pops knows he can't go messing with the press or things will go farther south in a hurry, but he can exert true pressure on the inside establishment.  Not by pushing Dubya directly, but by stampeding the advisors and big backers who have access to Fredo, err I mean The President.

It's all IMHO, but I'm betting if the dagger comes through the curtain to fell the protagonist Rove, the gloved hand will be Poppy's.  

by boilerman10 on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 03:59:02 PM EST


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