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The Inexorable Logic of Impeachment

by BooMan
Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 02:42:01 PM EST

I'm used to feeling isolated from the mainstream media and from the Beltway wisdom. At the same time, my track record has been pretty good over the last two years. Whether the subject was Iraq, Israel's war with Lebanon, or the midterm elections, my predictions have been much more accurate than anything you get from traditional media sources.

But I am not used to being so isolated from the rest of blogosphere. Nonetheless, when it comes to impeachment, I think I am right and I think my predictions will bear out. Back on December 7th I wrote a diary called Chris and Markos: Wrong on Impeachment. On December 9th, I wrote one called Impeach His Ass, You Have No Choice. Both diaries eschewed any political calculations or even any specific charges. I argued that Bush and Cheney must be removed from office because the situation in Iraq is so dire and so dangerous that we can neither entrust them to oversee our policy, nor can we wait two years to get the new leadership required for taking positive steps. Here is how I put it:

[W]e are at the end of the road. We have exhausted all of our options short of impeachment. Jim Baker tried, but he failed. There is nothing left to do but remove him from office.

The Democrats know it, the Republicans know it, and we ought to know it.

A lot of people questioned why I thought 'the Republicans knew it'. The answer is twofold. First, there is an almost inexorable logic that is and will continue to lead Republicans to the conclusion that they cannot afford two more years of Bush. Bush is isolated on Iraq. The Republicans do not want to follow him. Here's David Brooks explaining it to Tim Russert on Meet the Press:

MR. BROOKS: If I could say something about internal Republican politics and about this show. I hope Josh Bolten, the White House chief of staff, was watching Gingrich this first half of this show. Gingrich said, “Unless we fundamentally restructure what we’re doing in Iraq, we will not win.” He is not far off from where a lot of Republicans are. Probably where most elite Washington Republicans are.

So what’s going to happen? These Republicans do not want to run in 2008 with Iraq hanging over. They never want to face another election like that. So at some point, six months, eight months, there’s going to be men in gray suits. There’s going to be a delegation going into that White House saying to President Bush, “You are not destroying our party over this.” And Bush will push back. But that’s going to be the, the tension. Talk about world—American support for the war, it’s Republican support in Washington for the war that the president needs to worry about.

If David Brooks is not convincing enough for you, then try out Steve and Cokie Roberts:

In a USA Today poll, three out of four Americans say Iraq is now engaged in a "civil war." How does the president convince parents in Redding and Presque Isle that it is worth American lives to keep Muslim sects, thousands of miles away, from slaughtering each other? The answer: he can't.

That's why Republicans who backed Bush through the elections are now turning against him. Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon, who faces a tough campaign in 2008, broke ranks with an extraordinary speech: "I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal."

Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska says the president "misunderstood, misread, misplanned and mismanaged our honorable intentions in Iraq with an arrogant self-delusion reminiscent of Vietnam."

But how can these critics exert any leverage over a president who is not running again and seems detached from reality? The hardliners in his own party - like Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney, who don't have to stand for office, or send their own children to war - are still telling Bush to ignore the "surrender monkeys," as one headline put it. As for the Democrats, they're in a terrible bind. As the Baker-Hamilton commission demonstrated, the Bush Administration has made such a total mess that there is no such thing as a good option in Iraq. The panel's two main suggestions - negotiating with Iran and Syria and turning over security to Iraqi forces - have been widely derided as unrealistic, and with good reason. Neither one holds much promise of working. But then, nothing else does, either.

That's why the Democrats are lying low and insisting that "the ball is in the president's court." That might not be a courageous position but it's certainly an understandable one. This is Bush's War. He broke Iraq and now he owns it, not the Democrats.

The nation is facing an enormous tragedy. The current president can't or won't get out of Iraq, but staying means Pflugerville will keep burying its children. Only a new president will be able to stop the dying.

What do I mean by an inexorable logic? Brooks and the Roberts won't say it explicitly, but their reasoning leads to the conclusion that impeachment is required. Brooks says, "at some point...there’s going to be men in gray suits. There’s going to be a delegation going into that White House saying to President Bush, “You are not destroying our party over this.”" What does that remind you of? Barry Goldwater and Nixon? And what about the Roberts saying, "Only a new president will be able to stop the dying." What do you think they mean? That we should just keep dying until January 20, 2009? No.

There is a drumbeat of Washington insiders that are saying they have no confidence that Bush and Cheney are going to change course and that, even if they did, they don't have the credibility to carry off a change.

So, the first reason why I think Republicans know Bush has to go is that the situation demands it and the logic is compelling. The second reason is that it is in their best interests. They have no reason to back this President in a disastrous foreign policy that they do not see as working. They do not want to go into 2008 still defending this President on the war.

The real solution to Iraq starts at home in figuring out a constitutional way to remove Bush and Cheney and replace them with a caretaker government. The rationale and details of the Articles of Impeachment are irrelevant. We need 18 Republican Senators to agree, in principle, to a process that will give us a new administration for the end of 2007 and all of 2008. That administration should agree not to seek re-election. Ideally, it would be made up of a Republican and a Democrat and have cabinet members from both parties. That is what the situation requires.



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by BooMan on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 02:44:54 PM EST
Hey, BooMan.  Just came from your diary over there.  Three things came to mind.

  1.  You are spot on.

  2.  A whole bunch of people, including many otherwise sensible kossacks, are still in deep denial.

  3.  About that theoretical caretaker government.  This thought popped into my head full blown as I was reading the food fight over there.  I haven't thought it through and I have no idea if it's feasible or not.  How about Bob Dole and Bob Graham, in either combination?  I'd say both are qualified if anybody is.  Both have made a run at the White House and failed,  Both ought to be reasonably free of "suspicion of ambition".  I don't know about anybody else, but I would sleep a lot better knowing those two had the keys.   So tell me, is that a bad joke, a stupid idea, or what?


Have I ever told you about my poor memory?
by ignorant bystander on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:32:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I had earlier suggested John Danforth.  

Bob Dole and lack of ambition?  Hmm.  Maybe at this late age.  

Actually, I'd be fairly comfortable with Dole at this point.  

Did I just say that?

by BooMan on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 04:08:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, I like Danforth better anyway.  Maybe the last good Republican still standing.  How about Graham?  Would he do for the token D?

Have I ever told you about my poor memory?
by ignorant bystander on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 04:44:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If you want to talk realpolitik, I don't see a path to impeachment working they way you suggest. There's a good argument to be made that in terms of pure selfish political interest, the Dems are better off proposing popular, populist, bills and letting Bush veto them, one after another, as his approval numbers sink to the low 20s and he and his party become even more politically irrelevant.

You may be right that impeachment could help GOP standing, but here we get into a conundrum: If the Dems lead an impeachment drive, Congressional Reps will be forced to publicly defend their leaders, at least at first, and hence be tarred even more heavily with the Bush contagion. Then their electoral chances grow even dimmer. OTOH, Congressional Reps might be helped if they initiated impeachment, but that ain't gonna happen. The Prisoner's Dilemma raises its ugly head: who's gonna bell the cat? The first Reps to take a stand for impeachment will become human electoral sacrifices.

So I don't see a path to impeachment on the purely electoral politics grounds you cite. The one politically credible way I see for Bush to be ripped untimely from the Oval Womb would be a backroom deal where Republicans bluff him and Cheney into resigning in lieu of impeachment, with Dems doing some backup. The price here might be too high (impunity from further prosecution) to swallow, though.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."

by DaveW on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:16:42 PM EST
Keep pounding on them.

You are WAY out in front of the pack on this one, BooMan.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:17:47 PM EST
Well, you're in good company. Robert Parry and others who are neither mainstream nor too-young-to-know-what-they're-talking-about bloggers (apologies to the young and truly informed, you ARE the minority online) support impeachment as the first necessary step to ending our involvement in Iraq.

I continue to appreciate your sane, cohesive, and thoughtful posts on this topic.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 05:55:08 PM EST
What I don't get is the way many people tend to overlook the instant gains in credibility our government would get in the foreign policy arena if we ditch the losers at the top, and the broadening of options that would come with it.

Maybe they don't read foreign papers / articles?

Tengo un sueńo.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 06:48:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EXACTLY - "the broadening of options that comes with it." Well said. Keep talking!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 07:42:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Inexorable Logic of John Milton

Isn't it our duty as law-abiding citizens to demand impeachment? Any history/lit folk out there re-read Tenure of Kings & Magistrates lately? Many of our Founders were inspired by Milton's words (nb--unlike W, I am not a member of the "ultimate penalty" fanbase, but JM's arguments for trial and deposition make sense even now):

"If men within themselves would be govern'd by reason, and not generally give up thir understanding to a double tyrannie, of Custom from without, and blind affections within, they would discerne better, what it is to favour and uphold the Tyrant of a Nation....

"A tyrant, whether by wrong or by right coming to the crown, is he who, regarding neither law nor the common good, reigns only for himself and his faction....

"No unbridled potentate or tyrant... may presume such high and irresponsible license over mankind, to havoc and turn upside down whole kingdoms of men, as though they were no more in respect of his perverse will than a nation of pismires*...."

--And, re evidence of criminal behavior on the parts of both W and Cheney: despite the shabby record of our mass media, surely there's at least as much as we had in hand upon starting the Watergate hearings?

[* "Pismire" is just milton-ese for "ant," but hey, ants can actually work together and get things done. Beats being a sheep...]

by historyrepeats on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 08:45:40 PM EST
I read you on Kos and I have started an account here on the basis of this sage like prophecy.

I've been saying this for two freaking years and everyone thinks I'm nuts.

Thank you thank you thank you.

by apotropaic on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 09:26:32 PM EST
ITMFA.

If you want things to get better, be prepared to deal with change.
by Kahli on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 10:59:37 PM EST
I think you're right on this, even though I don't think we should be pursuing impeachment unless oversight and investigations provide incovertible beyond a shadow of a doubt proof of impeachable offenses.

However, I don't think it should have been taken unilaterally off the table.  

Impeachment is also a good way for moderate Republicans like Chuck Hagel to get back their moxie. They can draw up the articles of impeachment and see how the democrats respond.  The next two years will be very interesting.

by northcountry on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 02:58:11 PM EST
I should also add, that I'd like to hear a little bit more about how (and why you think it's a good thing) to remove both the president and vice president and replace them with a caretaker government?
by northcountry on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:01:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There won't be an overthrow of the White House unless either 1) the surge troops attack the Mahdi Militia and all of Iraq arises to throw the Crusaders out or 2) the USA bombs Iranian nuclear sites and the Strait of Hormuz are closed.  If Bush doesn't double down in a futile attempt to win the war, the GOP could get through the 2008 election with a secret plan for peace with honor and a slow drawdown of US troops out of Iraq.

Confronting rational Republicans is the likelihood that the President will do both; attack Iraqi Shiites and bomb Iran.

by Jim S on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:11:14 PM EST
I'm with you. BUT he won't be impeached over the failed Iraq war.

You won't get a chorus in Congress to impeach; not when there's McCain, Lieberman,(bipartisanship), and the Jack Keane -Kagan plan with Kissinger, AIE in tow, whispering in his ear, holding his hands and giving cover.

We need to mount an Impeachment because this man lied us into a war and tens of thousands died, and at home he has failed to uphold the constitution.

The last impeachment was over 'sex in an alcove between 2 consenting adults.' (that's a good movie title, I digress)

If we impeached that act, we go up from there. That should be easy. It's the morals thingy.

BTW, Maybe we can draft this man to be the lead manager:

'Clinton Impeacher Quits Republicans'

Bob Barr announced Friday that he is now a "proud, card-carrying Libertarian." And he encouraged others to join him.

"It's something that's been bothering me for quite some time, the direction in which the party has been going more and more toward big government and disregard toward privacy and civil liberties," said Barr, 58, a lawyer and consultant living in Atlanta. "In terms of where the country needs to be going to get back to our constitutional roots ... I've come to the conclusion that the only way to do that is to work with a party that practices what it preaches, and that is the Libertarian Party."



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:22:11 PM EST
.
Cheney to be defense witness in CIA case

WASHINGTON D.C. (AP) Dec. 19 - Vice President Dick Cheney will be called as a defense witness in the CIA leak case, an attorney for Cheney's former chief of staff told a federal judge today. "We're calling the vice president," attorney Ted Wells said in court. Wells represents defendant I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who is charged with perjury and obstruction.

Early last week, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said he did not expect the White House to resist if Cheney or other administration officials are called to testify in Libby's trial, expected to begin in January.

Fitzgerald mum on Cheney in leak case

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:29:27 PM EST
That's a start. Let's hear him on cross-examination if he'll perjure himself.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 03:38:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"And what about the Roberts saying, "Only a new president will be able to stop the dying." What do you think they mean? That we should just keep dying until January 20, 2009? No."

Yup. I said as much at allspinzone yesterday.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 04:16:46 PM EST
great minds think....differently?  
by BooMan on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 04:38:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think Bush will be forced from office, but now I am beginning to wonder if it won't be more along the lines of the 25th amendment. The Republicans themselves will do it.
by AliceDem on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 05:16:48 PM EST
under any circumstances.

You have no evidence.  NO EVIDENCE.  Evidence is not wishful thinking, or irate feelings.  Evidence is stuff on paper.  And you can't get it from this WH.  If you try to get it, they will claim executive privelege, and it will take 9 months to get the SC to affirm executive priveledge.  

Nixon was in trouble for one reason and one reason only: Alex Butterfield revealed the taping system.  We have no taping system today, and we have no way of getting at any such information.

I remind those enthused about this chimera that, today, we do not know the persons or entities who met on Cheney's Energy Task Force.  We couldn't even get the membership of this two-bit task force, and you expect to get evidence of impeachable offenses?

by dataguy on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 06:48:48 PM EST
You have no idea what evidence Congress does and doesn't have already. When Sen. Boxer spoke to an audience in Los Angeles with John Dean - they both laid out impeachable offenses. In fact, that was the event where John Dean said the President was the first in history to "admit to an impeachable offense."

If we don't investigate, we can't nail things down. The taping system did not START the investigation, it was revealed in the COURSE of the investigation.

We can't impeach without an investigation. But it's WAY past time to begin that process.

How can you say there is "NO EVIDENCE" when the evidence has been laid out here and elsewhere over the last several years?

Start here, for a refresher.

Proposed Articles of Impeachment, drafted by Ramsey Clark. General overview.

Conservative Scholars Argue Bush's Wiretapping Is An Impeachable Offense

Bush's CIA Order Another Impeachable Offense

Gore says Bush's Wiretapping could be an Impeachable Offense. See also Salon's article Bush's Impeachable Offense

The list goes on and on, if you are willing to do a little homework.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 07:53:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is not a list of indictments.

It is pieces of paper.  Paper which is in the WH, and in the DoD and in the DoS.  

How will you get those pieces of paper?  

No one disputes the need for investigations.  Investigations in the SERVICE of impeachment are a suicide pact, however.  Investigations for oversight are needed.

However, I will wager $500 to anyone that 1) Bush will not be impeached in the House, AND 2) it will not come to a vote in the Senate.  Won't happen.

by dataguy on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 11:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If you can say that he broke no laws I hope you never run for Congress, Senate, or any other role requiring responsible oversight. I shudder at the thought of your mentality in a position of power.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 12:12:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Impeachment requires EVIDENCE.  It doesn't require belief in Bush's badness, the tooth fairy or anything else.

Who the FUCK cares about what we BELIEVE!  You may find this hard to fathom, but VERY FEW PEOPLE.  Rather, it matters what EVIDENCE - pieces of paper or computer records with naughty illegal information - can be procured.

And, you will be shocked at this, Congress will be able to procure VERY LITTLE.  Bush will stall with "Executive Privelege" out the wazoo.  Every single request will be stone-walled, and will go thru the appelate court, and the superior court and the SC, where the CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY will side with BUSH.

What's the point here?  We control Congress.  That's pretty important.  

My offer of  a $500 wager remains open.  If you are so confident of impeachment, let's wager.

  1. Terms: NO IMPEACHMENT WILL BE VOTED OUT OF THE HOUSE  AND NO VOTE WILL BE TAKEN IN THE SENATE.

  2. If you win, I send $500 to the Democratic candidate of your choice, although I reserve the right of veto about your first choice.

  3. If I win, you send $500 to the Democratic candidate of your choice, although you reserve the right of veto about my first choice.

It ain't gonna happen.  In the real world that we all live in, many things that are RIGHT, JUST and TRUE do not happen.  Impeachment is one of these.
by dataguy on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 02:07:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What would you consider evidence?

Maybe you have a different definition than most of us.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 03:08:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Very interesting read, both Booman and the comments thread. Very contradictory news today out of the Pentagon. Apparently taking steps to up the ante on Iran, while telling "The Decider" his surge of troops to Iraq will not work. This is very hard for a neophyte like me to figure out. Anybody have any thoughts on this they would like to share??

We need to push for Progressive change, now more than ever.
by keepinon (jaukkuri@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 09:53:27 PM EST
 i think booman leaves out or underplays the utter distaste for doing the job, 2008  republican vulnerabilities notwithstanding.  americans can handle more of other people's blood, including their neighbors' children, easier than they will tolerate another impeachment convention.  i think that bush may yet require some kind of an intervention, but more likely the 'grey suits' would sedate him and ride out the term a la reagan's dementia.  the revulsion for impeachment trumphs 'inexhorableness'.

truettspeak
by truettspeak (truettspeak) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 10:39:06 PM EST
truettspeak hammers it.  The adult republicans don't have time for an impeachment.  An intervention is already underway.  Poppy Bush's public breakdown was the result of his knowledge that it is underway.  However, as citizens of a democracy, we must pursue impeachment because we are responsible for the actions of our "elected" leaders.
by MummyWind on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 01:37:22 AM EST
Cheney will be the first to go - health will be his out. He'll be replaced by Danforth or someone who is has a positive outlook. The President will be asked to resign after the oversight committees dig up so much evidence of neglect that they couldn't help but convict him. Danforth or whoever will pardon Bush and the Democrats will dance with joy that alls well that ends well. If they do let this corruption go unpunished in another generation there will be another Republican that does this again. It must be a Republican, because he has to be cozy with the business community which is always against regulation and in favor of no or lower taxes; not being held responsible for any of the economic consequences of its actions.
by donmyers on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 06:02:12 AM EST


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