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The Iraq War is Over

by mrboma
Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 02:57:25 PM EST

How can I make such a statement when our soldiers are still in Iraq and being killed daily? It is a matter of framing that Thom Hartmann brought to my attention on Monday night when he guest-hosted the Majority Report. By most historians' definition, a war is over when one country overthrows the government of another country. We did that long ago in Iraq. What we have now is a violent occupation.

I have thought about it, and I have to agree with Hartmann that if I were writing a history book on the subject, the War in Iraq would have ended with the overthrow of Saddam, and the subsequent years would be called the Violent Occupation of Iraq. That doesn't necessarily make it good politics, though.

So what? What's the difference? Well, across the fold I take a look at how this simple reframing can change the whole argument. It could potentially help us get our soldiers out, but may also grant Bush a slight saving of face.

In a war, people think in terms of winners and a losers, and no one wants to be a loser. Within this new frame, we can declare victory and Bush can save face. Why on Earth would I want that? So that we can start withdrawing troops. We must weigh our political desires against the lives of the soldiers.

Bush isn't the only one who would save face; this reframe would allow Democrats who voted for the use of force to save face as well. They can say, as John Kerry has, that they voted for the invasion (under false pretenses), but never voted for the extended occupation.

Additionally, the "cut and run" GOP talking point is nullified. We have already won, so how could they say we are cutting and running? Within this frame, we are simply leaving or redeploying. Withdrawal from an occupation isn't "cutting and running," it is returning sovereignty to the people of Iraq, and is therefore a necessary step in spreading Democracy.

Once we have shifted the conversation to our violent occupation of Iraq, we can start talking about American Imperialism. Withdrawal of troops demonstrates that we are not trying to be an imperialist power. If the GOP opposes it, they show how pro-imperialist they really are. That does not play well internationally nor at home.

This frame-shift also disarms the GOP talking point that attacks on Americans in Iraq are necessarily the work of terrorists. Instead, many of those attacks can be seen as the work of proud Iraqis trying to liberate their home (freedom fighters, as Cindy Sheehan called them). When the GOP says, "We are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here," we can respond that we are fighting Iraqi citizens who want us out, not international terrorists. Or that we are creating terrorists over there that we may some day have to deal with over here. The longer we stay, the more we create.

There are certainly drawbacks to this frame:

Occupation does not sound as bad as war to most people. We are often stuck within the frame of War vs Peace, and we would be sacrificing that frame with this switch. However, if we throw in the qualifier "violent" every third time we say occupation, I think that minimizes the loss of the War vs Peace frame. We would still have Violent Occupation vs Peace, which might prove even more powerful. After all, one can easily argue for a just war, but I think it is harder to argue for a just violent occupation.

Perhaps the bigger drawback is that it does allow Bush to save some face. That will prove too much for some people; no way no how do we give Bush an easy out. But I would respond to these people by saying that Americans are not stupid. They will recognize that it is a hollow declaration of victory. We all recognized how hollow it was when Bush stood on the deck of the aircraft carrier with his flight suit and cod piece in front of the "Mission Accomplished" banner. But he did make that speech, so let's use it to bring our guys and gals home. I am not willing to play politics with our soldiers' lives. If it is really such a huge concern, then wait until after the November elections and start the reframing in the new congress.

What do you think, good strategy, or political folly?



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by mrboma on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 02:59:53 PM EST
I think this is simply a more detailed fleshing out of what some have, half-seriously, advocated for some time: "declaring victory and going home."

Everyone will think what they're going to think anyway, so might as well end the killing.  We declare victory from the point of view that Saddam was overthrown; Osama declares victory at the point the last troops board the helicopters.  Seems to me a lot like a remake of the final winding down of Vietnam.

Maybe this time we'll learn the lessons we forgot the first time around, but I wouldn't bet on it.

But, it does have the benefit of stopping the killing, so I'd frame it however we have to so the killing can stop.  Allowing Bush some imagined farcical "victory" is a price we can afford - history knows better in the long run.  

The declared "victories" of various Roman emperors come to mind: they had no effect other than injuring some laurel trees, a few extra gladiators died in the festivities that day, and a scattering of denarii to the mob at the victory parade caused some winesellers to do well for a week or so.  Some things never change.

War and empire are illnesses in the body politic of a nation that must run their course; when the fever passes people wake up one day and say "What the hell was that all about, anyway?"

We find ourselves at the point when the fever is about to break.  Apply a cold washcloth and pray there's not a relapse before November.

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by Knoxville Progressive (green_planet_2000 (at) yahoo (dot) com) on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 04:14:29 PM EST
You are actually quite wrong. The actual status is a bit more embarrassing for Bush than even an occupation.

The sequence of events you remember is that following the "victory", Bush sought to get other countries to help with the occupation by getting the UN Security Council to authorise all of its members to support the UN transition from a country with no government to one which had a proper mandate from the Iraqi people. In other words, the War was not authorised by the UN but the occupation was.

That mandate expired but was renewed until such time as sovereignty was passed the newly consituted Government. There is no such thing as partial or conditional sovereignty for a government. They technically have the right to tell the US etc to get out. Of course during the occupation(s), the US disbanded all of the previous police and security organisations in the parts of Iraq previously run by Saddam (ie excluding Kurdistan) With Iran still well armed, Iraq is hardly going to ask what is effectively its entire self-defence to leave.

So what we have now is not a war (because there is no armed despute between the Iraqi and US governments) In fact, if Bush characterises it as a war on Iraq, he would be recognising the insurents as the de jure government. That's why they describe it as "part of the War on Terror". In the legal sense of course that is a nonsense as there is no such entity. "Terror" is obviously not a "high contracting party" as nations are referred to in treaties and international law.

An accurate description of the current military operations is difficult. The closest I can come to is that the "Coalition" is providing a body of mercenaries to try to impose the Baghdad government's writ but without charging them for the service.

by Londonbear (bearATzooDOTcoDOTuk) on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 06:03:00 PM EST
I don't mean to be rude, but i'm sure this is something that many political advisers and such have thought of already.

I don't think that bush (or congress) is waiting for a good excuse to end the war.  I think that they're willing to let it drag on for as long as they think there's any chance it might work.

Why?  because it costs them nothing.  And it could gain them so much.  So many contracts.  So many bases.  So much oil.  And if this little adventure goes badly, (and it is, from any perspective) they aren't the ones who have to pay for it.  Its the soldiers, and their families, and the taxpayers, and the people of Iraq who pay the price for this smash-and-grab operation.

And as long as there's no political opposition, no one is even risking their careers.

If 2497 senators and CEOs were killed in Iraq, we would have left a long time ago.

by brokenkeyboard on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 06:29:05 PM EST
Listening to Bush this morning, I got the impression he was trying to position himself so as to avoid blame for what can only be an unmitigated disaster in Iraq.  He kept says that it's up the Iraqi people.  He said it quite a few times, as if this is their war, not ours.  I think he's distancing himself from the inexorable excalation of civil war.  He's going to make it the fault of the Iraqi government.

"No one has the right to say `You do what I tell you, or I'll hurt you.'" - Monty Roberts
by susanw on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 08:32:24 PM EST
You 'Hit' Exactly What He Was Doing, Right On!!!!
by jimstaro (jmstaroathotmail.com) on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 09:35:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks, Jim.  Now, it would help if I remembered that spell check is my friend.

"No one has the right to say `You do what I tell you, or I'll hurt you.'" - Monty Roberts
by susanw on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 10:30:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I posted this Flash Video a short while ago, Mark has passed it on to Veterans For Peace board for Listening and Viewing, It Deserves the Re-View!!
I'd give you the Video direct link but click on the Site Link, read what is written, than download and view the Very Well Done Flash Video and Great Song!!
Peace!!!

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Subject: why billy why
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:31:02 EDT

my name is mark grayson i am a song writer from sarasota,
florida....in light of Bush's comments this morning it is obvious he has no
intention of withdrawing our troop from iraq. On the contrary they are stepping
up their efforts in both iraq and afghanistan.

I don't believe our government has the right to ask anybody to die for democracy
in Iraq. I thought you guys might appreciate this song i wrote last year when my
son-in-law was deployed to iraq.

'why billy why' is an honest look at a mother's loss. It carries a strong message
and reflects what most americans are feeling right about now.

i am going to attach a copy of the video to this email in case you would like a
version you can download....otherwise you can view the video in it's entirety by
simply going to Why Billy Why

please feel free to share 'why billy why' with all your chapters...friends...and
members. you are welcome to post it on your webpage....or a link to my site.

Thank you for your contribution to end the war...pray for peace....mark

by jimstaro (jmstaroathotmail.com) on Wed Jun 14th, 2006 at 09:36:28 PM EST


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