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Dear Mom

by Militarytracy
Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 09:23:50 AM EST

I know you'll read this when you get home.  You read all the stuff here every day.  Mom please stop coming to this place.  I have told you face to face that this place is not healthy for you.  You always talk to me and help me when people are not healthy for me and I'm hanging around with them.  These people are not healthy for you mom.  They don't care about you and honestly they enjoy hurting you and you are letting them.  I know these were the first people who were really nice to you when you were hurting inside about Dad and Iraq but they are like Wren.  They were your first friend on your first day at a new school and a lot of the time that isn't a very good friend.  It hurts me when you hurt so much.  Please let it go mom.  They have hurt you and they have hurt all of us enough.  It is okay to let them go mom.  Nobody will blame you.  You didn't do anything wrong.  You are the best mom I know and I want you to be happy inside again so please stop coming here.  Our family can't do what it needs to do mom when you are sad so much.  I love you.



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First off I love you more than I love life.  This was very hard to read all the way through and I'm sorry that my grief has had the impact on you and your brother and daddy that it has.  Life is so multifaceted in so many ways and more than anything I wanted this Iraq horror to end for us all, for all of our friends, for my country, for the world...and I hurt so badly about it all you are right, I have done a very poor job of practicing what I preach.  I have not allowed the adult self within me to run this show and it has become a carnival.  I'm laughing now because don't I always tell you when the student is ready the teacher will appear?  Nobody here wants what I teach right now because I wasn't meant to be the teacher here and when this student was ready my teacher appeared.  Love you always!  Love you to the moon and back!  Love you to the stars and back!  Love you to the end of the universe and back!  I will do better from here, I promise.  I won't waste my energy anymore because I am afraid and feel alone, there is so much more at stake.  I am not a mistake and my energy is a very precious commodity given to me by my creator.  I ask the universe to forgive me for squandering what was given to me while so many suffer.  This is not where I was meant to be and this is not what I was meant to be doing and I will be a better mom from this place onward too....no more waste, no more squandering.  I am so humbled to be your student today.  This is why I am a parent and why I am your mom and wanted to be your mom, so that this day might happen, and it has.  I am blessed.  My cup runneth over and over again.

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by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 12:24:16 PM EST
Dear B,

I just have to stick my nose in here and tell you what a wise young woman you're becoming.  So many times, we moms wonder if our children are even listening to what we say when we try to teach them about living a good and happy life, and here you are, putting it into action.  I can tell from reading this that you are a lot like your mom, in all the best ways.

You are all very lucky to have each other.

Xoxo,
CG  

by CabinGirl on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 03:19:32 PM EST
Real life.  Ain't it grand?

Just live it and be happy MT, Mr. MT, Bean and Little Dude.

{{{family}}}

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 05:59:47 PM EST
no one, nor anything can love like a mother ; )

bless you

wado

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by infidelpig (rdewaynetaylor01@earthlink.net) on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 08:58:25 PM EST
Your love and appreciation for your mother is palpable.  It's an honor to read your words.  I hope that someday, when I have children, they will care about me as much as you care about your mother.

Take good care of her, okay?

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by Nonpartisan (nonpartisan@progressivehistorians.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:51:29 AM EST
I am really disappointed that it seems like some posters have no compassion for someone that is in pain.  Do you have to get the last word?  Do you need to badger someone to DEATH?  Can you find it in yourselves to accept that there are differences in opinion and that yours might not be the only correct one?

Are we adults?  Have we no empathy or compassion?

I am really troubled by this.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:00:52 AM EST
There is an element of baiting that goes on when Tracy posts comments. It is done in an insidious way so that it can later be denied as being "just snark" or "just a question".   But reasonable people can infer what is going on in those posts and realize that they are meant to be bait.  

Tracy, however, needs to deal with this in ways other than blowing up.

I would refer Tracy to Teach313's excellent diary about how he taught third graders the tactic of ignoring bullies and not taking the bait.

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by maryb2004 on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:18:49 AM EST
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Oh get over it. Baiting Tracy by posting our opinions? For fucks sake is this Free Republic or a progressive community? I am allowed to have whatever opinions I want and to express them. That's not baiting, it's a community discussion.

If you'll take a look, Tracy had the first bait comment in super's thread and it worked quite well for her. Look at all the sympathy she's garnered.

Yup, BooTrib's Armando/BTD.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:22:37 AM EST
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No, I will not get over it.

I will, however, refer YOU to Teach313's excellent diary about ignoring baiting.  Since you fell for my bait.  

You are a bully spiderleaf.  And, to make it perfectly clear, I will be ignoring your further comments in this diary.

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by maryb2004 on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:26:51 AM EST
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If you were baiting then you proved your own point; that I fell for it proves mine. Nice one.

Whatever Mary, I stopped respecting you a long time ago when I saw how you operate over at dkos. Really couldn't care less that you think I'm a bully... right, by posting my words disagreeing with you and others you agree with. I'd point you to my diary on "the road to kingdom come" but obviously you can only see the perspective you want to.

Okay, I get it now. Thanks so much for enlightening me.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:30:56 AM EST
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btw, troll rated for personal attack.
by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:35:51 AM EST
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and I just don't feel like lettin ya get the best of me spidey.  Troll rate MaryB though?  I'm not really too sure how out of whack someone has to be to troll rate MaryB.  MaryB is very solid, very centered, very balanced.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:38:20 PM EST
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SN, I think you know I have no end of compassion for military families, as a Gold Star family member myself. I have very vivid memories of how it felt to know my brothers life was on the line while having to listen to the whole military condemned for the actions of some, and for the war itself. I felt the anguish, the rage, all of it. And I also lashed out in his defense sometimes.

But my suffering did not give me some right to try control other peoples opinions or to deny them their right to express them in public forums or community settings.  

I certainly did exercise my right to not have those people in my home and my right to avoid subjecting myself to this kind of dialog by avoiding groups and places where it was going on. I had to, because it literally drove me mad with rage, at the time.

ONward!

by scribe (scribe40@comcast.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:49:21 AM EST
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/1/91624/00318

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by alohaleezy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:40:08 PM EST
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Tracy, how is taking this all over to Dkos honoring what you daughter has asked of you, which is to just let go of your involvement with all of this, because it's hurting her and all of you?

ONward!
by scribe (scribe40@comcast.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 02:29:48 PM EST
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Hi Aloha, I just ran over and read the diary...wow.

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 02:35:15 PM EST
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yeah, wow -- what's that all about?
by bogo bear on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 02:53:10 PM EST
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She's not the only one in pain SN. And for her to claim monopoly on that and continue to bully, harrass, and insult members of this community who have every right to express themselves in a way that eases THEIR pain is hypocrisy at best.

But please, you, CG, Boo, continue to enable this horrible and hurtful behaviour. SHE picked a fight in super's diary and now is claiming the whole community hurts her. Pretty lame and quite transparent for all who take a real look at what went down... prior to this, during it, and now in this crazy diary.

If you can tell me what super said in the comment that justifies IN ANY WAY Tracy's response please do so vs. throwing around strawmen like "we have no compassion".

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:12:03 AM EST
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I'm saying that as humans, not Americans, Canadians, women, men - as humans, can we not see that something is out of control here and have some compassion.  And if you're a mother you no doubt understand that your children are sacrosanct and if anyone says anything that is even PERCEIVED to be threatening, you come out like a lion.

I'm human.  I don't know Tracy that well - but I can see she is in trouble.  I'm not interested in comparing levels of pain right now.  

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:15:44 AM EST
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SN, I can understand that, but I am under no obligation to stop expressing what I think in order to lessen her pain. The onus is on her not to participate if she can't control herself. It's counterproductive to what we are trying to accomplish and stifles the very rights American's claim to uphold -- free speech for starters.

Janet was in pain too, but it was acceptable for Tracy to shit all over her.

I don't do hypocrisy as a general rule.

I can appreciate she is in pain, so am I, but I will not let spin or deception or behaviour that seeks to garner attention to the detriment of others to stand unchallenged. No matter who is doing it or what their situation.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:26:17 AM EST
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The individual agents of any sector of our sanctioned society are scapegoating. They may be perfectly accurate in their complaints but their holier-than-thou attitude is a failing of both analysis and empathy.

Let me tell you, growing up I knew a number of real scumbags, the absolute pits, who had fought in Vietnam and felt it amusing to lament (in the tenor of bragging) to me, a child, about the things they'd done there. Which I for the longest time didn't even believe although knowing them I should have.

But we have a thing called freedom of association in this country and it should apply not one iota less to people in the official service of the country. What it means is that people must be judged on their individual actions, intent, and life otherwise. They could be judged based on association with through some perspective or other, but they shouldn't be. It isn't in keeping with our core principles.

by BooDirection on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:07:20 AM EST
Welcome BooDirection. I see you are brand spanking new here.It is extremely nice of you to post on this thread. Welcome to you.

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by alohaleezy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:58:06 PM EST
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"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 01:11:38 PM EST
No one's going to rate my flowers?  I think they're pretty.  I guess no one agrees with what they're saying.  Which by the way is not the purpose of ratings iirc.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"
by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 02:58:25 PM EST
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Aw, shucks.  :)

Peace, everybody.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:21:34 PM EST
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I just hope my daughter cares as much for me when she reaches your age as you care for your mom.

People often compare the current war with the Vietnam War.  I don't think that is completely accurate.  People then did blame the soldiers, but only from misunderstanding.  It took Daniel Ellsberg to show us that they had been misled into that war, just like this one.  But by the time he did that, people had already formed their opinions, and disliked the soldiers.  

I really believe, that in this war, many more people believe that the soldiers are victims, as much as the Iraqis.  Granted, there are people who still live with a mindset more appropriate to the late 60's-early70's.  Our job is to convince them otherwise.

Two good essays for you to read.

The first one was written in August of 2003, 5 months into the Iraq War.  It was a speech given to the Veterans for Peace National Convention held in San Francisco, by William Rivers Pitt.  Most of the speech is about the fraudulent politics that dragged our men to war, but it begins by setting the atmosphere during the Vietnam War (Pitt's father was a Vietnam Veteran.)  The mindset of the people in the airport is the mindset that is no longer appropriate today.

The second essay was published about two weeks ago at In These Times.  A more modern view of things.

Read them both, if you can get through them. They will show you that your mom is not wrong.

But you deserve a lot of praise for being such a good and caring daughter.

by Jersey Joe on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 01:40:55 PM EST
My hope is that you will listen to the wise words of your daughter.

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by NLinStPaul on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:25:42 PM EST
I want to rescind my rating on the first comment if not physically, then in words.

No one here has intentionally hurt anyone. Everyone must find their space. The world is a big place and within it, space abounds.

"green grass and high tides forever"

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:07:37 AM EST
Sup - I just think it's bad form to take this diary obviously written by a young girl that cares about her mother's happiness very much and do anything other than respect it and back away.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"
by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:46:41 AM EST
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they did to that poor girl who posted here who just had her brother killed in Iraq and I'm shit full of these sort of "peace activists".  Oh yeah, I've had it totally.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:15:07 AM EST
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It seems to me that Tracy has said repeatedly that it hurts her and offends her when people lump all the soldiers together in a pile called evil, because she loves her husband and he is not evil.  And yet, some people are insistent on their rights to say those very things, while loudly complaining about the ways in which they feel they've been slighted.

I don't know about you, but I think that when someone tells you "it hurts me when you say that" and you continue to do that for whatever reason, there is an element of intention to hurt.

Just my $0.02.

by CabinGirl on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:26:17 AM EST
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What I see are repeated attempts by one poster to control the expression of other posters opinions, because they are offensive to her. You seem to be encouraging this, in suggesting that if others do not stop expressing their different opinions, they have some intent to personally cause her harm.  

I have never read anything from Super that appeared to came from any shred of intent to hurt Tracy. I've seen a man struggling very hard to reconcile a struggle between being true to what he believes, and his right and need to express it, and his regard FOR someone he cares about.  

However,it is beginning to seem that the ONLY way to not offend this diarist, is for everyone who posts here to keep their mouth totally shut on this entire topic, unless their opinions are acceptable to her.

This is a community blog where supposedly we are all free to express our opinions, whether we agree or not.  as long as it is done in a civil manner. To set a precedent where any one posters needs trump that right for others, is something I'd be sad to see happen to BooTrib.

   

ONward!

by scribe (scribe40@comcast.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM EST
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Absolutely bang on scribe. We can't express our opinions unless she agrees. That's not a community, it's Bush's White House.

Boo and CG have made it quite clear whose opinions matter more here... and Tracy is it. It's their community and they make the rules. Hypocrisy 'r Us. Does Tracy still have admin privlidges? I remember the diary she posted to the frontpage and then oh, 30 mins later it was back in the diary list. In fact I think I was in super's living room when we noticed it, but I could be wrong about the date.

In fact, Tracy is BooTrib's Armando in my opinion.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:20:05 AM EST
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So Thanks ;)

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:31:05 PM EST
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watch out spidey, I could zap and zing ya right outta here ;)

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:33:21 PM EST
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So not surprising, and really not something to brag about hon.

But you are a republican, so I'm sure you do take it as a compliment.

Keep up the good work.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:19:08 PM EST
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