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The Zeitgeist

by BooMan
Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 02:23:05 PM EST

A lot of the blogosphere is mocking David Brooks' assertion that 2008 is shaping up as a 'post-war election'. As Greg Mitchell notes:

Now, today, comes a new Gallup poll which, of course, reveals, as Gallup puts it, that when “asked which issues will be most important in determining their vote for president in next year's election, Americans by a wide margin say the war in Iraq, with more than one in three mentioning the war.” Only after that do they mention the economy, healthcare, and illegal immigration. Gallup said that Iraq has diminished only “somewhat” as the top issue over the course of the year. The poll was conducted Nov. 30-Dec. 2.

But, David Brooks still manages to make a couple of solid points.

If voters in next year’s election are like those in the last election cycles, then 20 percent of them will likely make up their minds during the final three days of the campaign and another 20 percent or 30 percent will make their decision during the last couple of weeks.

All that you’ve been reading about the race over the past year is trivial compared to this question: Which candidacy best matches the zeitgeist of the closing days?

He's also right about this:

The two candidates who have been surging, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike Huckabee, have almost no foreign policy experience between them.

Actually, Barack Obama has some relevant experience: he sits on both the Foreign Relations and the Homeland Security committees. Working on those problems over the last three years has provided a framework for thinking about our foreign policy and security challenges. But it's still true that Obama's foreign policy experience is somewhat thin. Yet, it doesn't appear that Iowans care. Brooks is right that the most important factor in the Iowa caucuses is going to be whose campaign most closely matches the national zeitgeist (albeit, broken into the two parties). And it's hard to say whether that favors Edwards or Obama, but I have a feeling it will not favor Clinton.

The Democratic primary/caucus voter has a lot of economic anxiety and may respond favorably to Edwards' anti-corporate message. Edwards could also benefit from the fact that he does not currently hold elected office. On the other hand, many Democrats are thirsting for someone that can get beyond the petty bickering and re-unite the country. That could favor Obama. What I don't see is how the current mood of the country could possibly favor Hillary Clinton. I don't sense much nostalgia, and she's too polarizing and pro-corporate to match Edwards and Obama.

Clinton has two strengths. She has perceived electability and she has a reputation for toughness. The Zeitgeist that would favor her would be a perception that the Republican side is favored in the general election and an atmosphere of fear and war fever. In other words, if this were 2004, Clinton would be perfectly positioned. But it is not 2004. The media's decision to not cover Iraq has led to a different feel in the electorate. The NIE on Iran has taken some of the edge off the threat assessment. It hurts Clinton that people are not being exposed to constant bad news from Iraq because people are less fearful.

The more severe problem for Clinton is the incredible weakness of the Republican field. The Democrats are favored to win the 2008 election regardless of who they nominate. And that is a killer. Why vote for someone so polarizing if you don't have to? Why vote for the corporate Democrat if you don't have to? Why not vote for your aspirations? Why not shoot higher?

We're going to learn a little about the mood of the country tonight, when we see the results from the special elections in OH-05 and VA-01. If the Dems win either race it will create a tsunami. And the Dems definitely have a chance in the Ohio race, where Robin Weirauch is running a John Edwards style race in a socially conservative district.



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Which candidacy best matches the zeitgeist of the closing days?

which closing days? the primaries aren't decided in a national referendum, they're decided over the course of several weeks and/or months through the various staggered state primaries and caususes. if the election depends that much on the momentary zeitgeist, we have to recognize that we're talking about many different moments, each potentially with its own slightly different geist.

by upyernoz (upyernoz [at] yahoo [dot] com) on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 02:57:11 PM EST
sort of.

have you looked at the super tuesday schedule?

by BooMan on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 03:11:52 PM EST
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I am really starting to believe that the economy, as experienced by consumers, will be the number one issue by the time November 2008 rolls around. Jobs, healthcare, household finances... That kind of stuff. If we don't have a plan to leave Iraq yet, that will also be up there. But I suspect the coming wave of foreclosures, bankruptcies, lower property values, the credit crunch and general lack of confidence in the economy will lead to lower consumer spending and a recession. And it could be a big one that won't clear up until around 2010. Whoever addresses these fears the best will win the general election. Any Democrat can do this better than any Republican could.
by RandyH on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 03:03:43 PM EST
  Why has Biden been ignored? Biden/Obama is that so bad? This gets Obama his experience he is a young man after all. Time is on Obama's side and he would be learning from arguably the most experienced candidate.

Maybe take a look at him --> www.joebiden.com

Read about Sadr rebuilding the Mahdi army here. The federal system Biden proposes makes sense. Its reality based.

What do you think Booman?

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

by Salunga on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 03:11:32 PM EST
i think biden is unknowingly channeling adolf eichmann and engaging in a plan with such a potential for evil consequences that he should be barred from holding his committee chair.
by BooMan on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 03:14:09 PM EST
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EICHMAN? a little harsh don't ya think considering that he is proposing pretty much what the USA is assisting in achieving as you post!Ethnicly cleansed neighborhoods areas and even states or whatever they are calling them now!
 And while I am at it- I am so fucking tired about hearing about "EXPERIENCE" "FOREIGN EXPERIENCE" INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE". What experience did that lying piece of shit that stole the presidency have? He had shit for experience unless you count lying, drunkeness, use of illegal drugs!!! So stop buying that pile of crap BOO, it is beneath you!
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 03:38:44 PM EST
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Drinking and blogging just don't go together. Believe me. I know.

by shergald on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 04:13:06 PM EST
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by upyernoz (upyernoz [at] yahoo [dot] com) on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 04:23:44 PM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

British Mandate of Mesopotamia
Main articles: British Mandate of Mesopotamia and Assyrian independence

British troops entering Baghdad.At the end of World War I, the League of Nations granted the area to the United Kingdom as a mandate. It initially formed two former Ottoman vilayets (regions): Baghdad, and Basra into a single country in August 1921. Five years later, in 1926, the northern vilayet of Mosul was added, forming the territorial boundaries of the modern Iraqi state.

Evidently no one has ever asked the Iraqis. I believe in a fair vote the Kurds and Sunnis would support Bidens plan. They live in fear of Shiite domination. The shiites (Maliki and Sadr) would like the whole oil soaked country. Booman's hyperbole aside we need something to get us out of there. We are not their answer we brought Al Qaeda with our fucked up liberation. The surge ain't it and we owe them something that will stand more then ten minutes.

The bankruptcy bill I have no defense. Thanks for your frank comments Billjpa.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

by Salunga on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 08:17:51 PM EST
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Thanks for the input.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 03:44:14 PM EST
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biden's federal system for iraq doesn'tr "make sense" because it doesn't have support among the iraqis. some outsider going in and rearranging the country over the objections of the locals can't be anything but a disaster.

and frankly biden lost me back when he sponsored the bankruptcy bill. as a guy who grew up in delaware (and was a classmate to one of biden's sons), i actually used to like the guy. he's pissed away all the respect i used to have for him by pushing that atrocious bankruptcy bill.

by upyernoz (upyernoz [at] yahoo [dot] com) on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 04:02:39 PM EST
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I think by next fall Iraq will not be the big issue, the economy will.  By then it will be pretty obvious that a Democrat will be committed to getting us out of Iraq.  Fast or slow, but out.  And I don't think Bernanke and Paulson can keep this bubble inflated for another year.

I think Super Tuesday will be Hillary vs Not-Hillary.  And that does not bode well for Hillary, in the primary or the general.  I think after NH we will know if Not-Hillary is Edwards or Obama.  Edwards has bet the farm on Iowa.  If he wins that bet AND gets enough momentum to gain some traction in NH, he might be it.  If he loses the bet, it's Obama.

That's what I think.  Course, I thought 2000 would be a cakewalk for Gore, too.

Have I ever told you about my poor memory?

by ignorant bystander on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 04:08:26 PM EST
The foreign policy breakdown of positions is between continued militarism or diplomacy and a revival of the UN as an instrument to resolve world problems.

"almost no foreign policy experience" is what Bush is all about. But it is not really an experience issue. It's a question about how a candidate will approach world problems. The choice then is, unless we want more Neoconism, Obama.

by shergald on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 04:11:17 PM EST
Actually, Barack Obama has some relevant experience: ...

And, more to the point, Obama is "the guy who said invading Iraq would be stupid back in 2003."  When most people are deciding who to vote for they look for shorthand - they aren't looking for detailed descriptions of what you're going to do and how you're going to do it.  They look for attitudes, evidence of the direction you're likely to take, and a few other things.  Obama's "foreign policy cred" is that he was right about Iraq - that gets him mileage in the foreign policy debate (at least among Dems).

The more severe problem for Clinton is the incredible weakness of the Republican field.

This is DEAD ON TARGET.  And, somewhat bizarrely, the same is true for Giulianni.  Clinton and Giulianni are to a large degree feeding off the fears of their constituencies that one will get the nomination and that the other is the only candidate who can beat them.  A truly strange dynamic - one that I've never seen before.  

by nonynony on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 04:20:11 PM EST
The only thing all of us can be sure of in the next election cycle is that the Neocon Pundit,David Brooks, will be wrong on all counts.
by KlatooBaradaNikto (easwar7@aol.com) on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 06:03:23 PM EST
Hillary is known as being tough. Damn.  Dems can be as stupid as Republicans.

The one time she tried to pass something was health care.  All they did was run comercials against her, she ran like a scared rat.

So quit repeating that lie.

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain

by skeeters2525 on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 03:31:49 PM EST


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