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by BooMan
Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 08:04:55 PM EST

Team Clinton in action:

Billy Shaheen, the co-chairman of Hillary Clinton's campaign in New Hampshire, raised the issue of Sen. Barack Obama's past admissions of drug use in discussing the relative electability of the Democrats seeking the presidential nomination today.

In an interview, Shaheen said, he remains perplexed about why, at this fraught point in history, voters and the media are not giving more attention to experienced Democratic candidates such as Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden and are instead elevating into the first tier alongside Clinton a pair of candidates with less experience in Washington, Barack Obama and John Edwards. Shaheen also expressed his personal misgivings about whether Obama or Edwards would be electable if they became the party's nominee.

Among his concerns about Obama as the nominee, he said in an interview here today, is that his background is so relatively unknown and that the Republicans would do their best to unearth negative aspects of it, or concoct mistruths about it. Shaheen, a lawyer and influential state power broker, mentioned as an example Obama's use of cocaine and marijuana as a young man, which Obama has been open about in his memoir and on the trail.

"The Republicans are not going to give up without a fight ... and one of the things they're certainly going to jump on is his drug use," said Shaheen, the husband of former N.H. governor Jeanne Shaheen, who is planning to run for the Senate next year. Billy Shaheen contrasted Obama's openness about his past drug use -- which Obama mentioned again at a recent campaign appearance in New Hampshire -- with the approach taken by George W. Bush in 1999 and 2000, when he ruled out questions about his behavior when he was "young and irresponsible."

Shaheen said Obama's candor on the subject would "open the door" to further questions. "It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome."

What do you think? Did Mr. Shaheen decide to talk about this all on his own?



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I first heard this story when my husband read it to me a couple hours ago. He responded thusly:
Hillary really gets nasty when things aren't going her way! (I don't believe for a minute that a cog in her political machine acted out of concert with the rest.) That's why this is really bad news for her. She's able to put on a "personable" air when she's on top. But, when she has to fight, she immediately fights dirty. People recognize this about her. And, the more people see of the "real her" - the more they don't like her.
by Renee in Ohio on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 08:13:28 PM EST
Renee, I totally agree!

I am from NH - and there probably was some discussion at Hillary's main NH headquarters - and knowing how damn independent people are - Bill Shaheen probably talked to a local reporter on his own violation.

As to him being a "Power Broker" - sorry, there is no such animal in NH as their is in Ma, Pa, NY, IL and etc.  People really are very independent thinkers up in that state. Best Bill can do is be "influential", and get peoples time and ears, if he keeps his act clean and doesn't cause any scandals.

I came to see Hillary, James Carville, Dee Dee Meyers, George Stepanopoulis and etc up close and personal back in 1992. Hillary's very visible LUST for power was obvious even then. And slobbering, drooling lust, whether it be for Power, Money or illicit sex is a hideous thing. So yes, she is nasty when crossed, and also extremely demanding - like entitled to whatever she wants. In fact of that whole crowd, Bill Clinton can be charming, and George Stepanopoulis was the only truly decent one of the lot.


"The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking the most often and in the loudest voice." Theodore Roosevelt.

by Grandma M on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 10:40:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
For me, the nastiness is a non-issue. Maybe we need a president who is capable of cutting throats.

What makes Hillary a non-starter is the breathtaking hypocrisy. Now she's a concern troll about Obama's drug use, which he's been open about from the beginning? At the same time she's trying to sell herself as a return to the mediocre 1990s and hubby prez the doping, lying adulterer?

Too bad her vast "experience" doesn't include persuading her own husband to straighten up and not hand the White House to Bush. Is this who we want trying to negotiate with Iran and Russia and China? I'll take my chances with any of the other Dems.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean

by DaveW on Thu Dec 13th, 2007 at 01:05:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Senator Clinton is out every day talking about the issues that matter to the American people. These comments were not authorized or condoned by the campaign in any way.

If there has been one constant through Hillary's campaign march, it has been discipline.

Billy Shaheen a loose cannon?  Riggggghhhhtt.........
He's not some campaign neophyte, by any means.

Surely this makes Karl Rove smile.  The Clinton campaign is emulating his style.  And Lee Atwater, wherever you think he might be tonight, has a new protege.  And his name is Billy Shaheen.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 09:18:53 PM EST
HRC must be in real trouble, this is the sort of thing that gets thrown around when their numbers are sinking.

And I don't think this is going to go over well with black voters in South Carolina.

by AliceDem on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 09:56:51 PM EST
over this latest.  There are at least three diaries on this, with over a 1,000 combined comments.

This is what I said:

Let me say this.

I'm not an Obama supporter. His going for the middle all the time may hamper him at crucial moments.  The middle can be too safe when broad strokes and confident action is needed.  I also distrust his conservative background and how he had no trouble getting the support of the Daley machine.

That being said, I think that Hillary's ploy is going to backfire big.  And getting surrogates to pile on while she keeps her dainty hands clean?  This is getting into the politics of desperation.  She can't bring him down on issues?  Why go that low?  There's no evidence available that he was a drug dealer, only a user.  So black man = crackhead? Or that he was the second coming of say, Frank Lucas or Freeway Ricky Ross?  Come on, Hillary.  Don't even try it.

I predict this is going to backfire in the black community.  Da folx have had Hill's back, thinking that she's going to be like Bill or that Bill's going to be running the country like Lurleen Wallace ran 'Bama for George back in the day.  I don't think blacks are going to buy this defense, once they hear about it.  If the Oprah-Obama appearances changed some blacks' minds, then trying to smear Obama with some twenty-five year old BS is going to bury her.  Legitimate slams blacks can understand, but something that so far is baseless and hearsay they won't stomach.  They're going to see it as the tearing down of a black man, and they won't like it one bit.

Furthermore, trying to dog Oprah using the smear/whisper campaign/attack that she's supposedly non-union may backfire as well.  Oprah stuck her neck out; she didn't have to, but she did.

For the record, I lean either Edwards or Kucinich depending on what day it is. Even Edwards some days does not impress me.  So officially, I am on the fence.  I'm going to hold my nose and vote for whatever crab crawls to the top of the barrel, and I'm hoping that the crab won't stink into next Tuesday.

However, the Clintons and their minions had better watch their steps.  This may yet turn out to be another historic tussle about who oughta be the first first, this time in the White House.  

After the Civil War, white feminists got mad at Congress for enfranchising black men to vote over their own wives and daughters.  This caused some white feminists to even join their sisters in the South to support the enforcement of Jim Crow, de jure segregation, and suppression of the black vote. The racist rhetoric got pretty heated, with Stanton calling enfranchised black men, "Sambo." After a while, even Frederick Douglass couldn't hang his hat at feminist gatherings, while white feminists kept black feminists from joining national organizations.

What Hillary may be really saying to Obama is, not so fast brother.  That's my seat.  I earned it, as a woman and as the wife of a president.

To which all I can say is, here we go again.




An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 09:22:36 PM EST
Furthermore, trying to dog Oprah using the smear/whisper campaign/attack that she's supposedly non-union may backfire as well.

Where did Hill get that one? Mark Penn?

First, Obama's Muslim; a few days ago, he was attacked for being an overly ambitious 5 year old, now this. Clinton is dropping in the polls, and her camp is desperate.

And between this and the jackass comments of Andrew Young

Bill is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone with more black women than Barack." Young quickly added that he was "clowning."

that just came to light, she's going to lose her support in the Black community, too.

(Watch the video, but on an empty stomach. It's even worse. Disgusting! We don't need his friggin' clowing!)

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 10:03:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Where did Hill get that one? Mark Penn?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/12/01754/724/65/420967

An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 10:15:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The corner has been turned here.  Hillary's tactics are descending into the darkest depths of campaigning at breakneck speed.  

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 08:22:55 PM EST
Just wait- I bet the rehashed Harold Ford jungle drums ad is right around the corner.

My Band Rocks!
by keirdubois (keir@mybandrocks.com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 08:41:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
he remains perplexed about why, at this fraught point in history, voters and the media are not giving more attention to experienced Democratic candidates such as Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden and are instead elevating into the first tier alongside Clinton a pair of candidates with less experience in Washington, Barack Obama and John Edwards.
This is Hillary's co-chair in NH and he can't see the answer that is right in front of his face?  

Here, I'll give him a subtle hint:

It's EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS EXPERIENCE IN WASHINGTON AND WITH THE CORRUPT PEOPLE THERE!!!

Jeebus.

Tengo un sueño.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 09:09:53 PM EST
Mr. Shaheen's wife is former governor Jeanne Shaheen, who is running for U.S. Senate.  You can contribute to her primary opponent here.
by BooMan on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 08:07:33 PM EST
Booman you are the best!...Don't inhale...LMAO!
The HillShills are gettin desperate.
I think we should expect a Taylor Marsh post on HuffPost in the next few days, carrying on the work of Howard THE ROVE Wolfson. This shout-out from Shaheen is a typical Wolfson desperation tactic.
by gaiilonfong on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 10:10:23 PM EST
"Did Mr. Shaheen decide to talk about this all on his own?"

Right after firing up a big, phat spliff, because you'd have to be on drugs to make a move that dumb.

Good grief, it's a Democratic primary.  I bet more than 4/5 of potential voters 'experimented' when they were young.

by PeakVT on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 10:26:08 PM EST
Shaheen said Obama's candor on the subject would "open the door" to further questions. "It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome."

It sounds like he's come up with the attacks the HRC campaign would like to make and thrown them out in hopes that the GOP will run with them.

This sort of sliminess is exactly why I hope Clinton doesn't get the nomination. Thanks, but I've spent almost eight years in the Rove universe, and I'd like to go home now.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 10:53:04 PM EST
Oh well, Hillary must be worried about her chances of being elected, first it was grade school papers, now she's getting real dirty. i just hope these two fight enough that John Edwards gets the Democratic noimination.
by americanforliberty on Thu Dec 13th, 2007 at 12:00:28 AM EST
More recent rumors of a possible Bloomberg run once the nominees are known.  I'm ready to abondon the Dem party if Hillary is the nominee and throw in with Bloomberg.  Am I crazy?
by RollaMO on Thu Dec 13th, 2007 at 09:51:46 AM EST
Am I crazy?
No, but understand that if the Republican nominee ends up getting elected, and there is any way to argue that Bloomberg took away enough to votes from the Democratic nominee to make the difference, then the pain of a thousand thousand Naderites will be visited upon you forevermore.

Tengo un sueño.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Dec 13th, 2007 at 11:23:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hillary is a F#@KING BITCH.

F%#K Her and her whole F#&KING CAMPAIGN.

I don't want to hear anymore about how evil Cheney, Rova and Bush are.

You are seeing pure evil right now.  And there are a few bloggers doing the exact same thing.

They slime Obama daily and just say, well, maybe it's not true, but that's what the Republicans will say.

HEY AHOLES.  Talkleft, Mydd, Bartcop.  You are the ones saying it, and your apology will be under the radar.

We are seeing the blogosphere can be as power hungry as the MSM.  Obama won't kiss their ass so they turn on him.

Obama doesn't need you.  So move on to something else.

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain

by skeeters2525 on Thu Dec 13th, 2007 at 02:08:25 PM EST
president hucklebee

can you hear the banjos playing in the background?

god help us

Edible panties taste like crap.

by anna in philly (jrsygir1@aol.com) on Thu Dec 13th, 2007 at 06:00:31 PM EST


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