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Outing Bloggers

by BooMan
Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 03:48:21 PM EST

Delaware Dem has been outed by Marisacat and has written a GBCW diary. I happen to know Delaware Dem from our local Drinking Liberally chapter. We enjoy disagreeing about politics over a few beers. I don't know why some people have the urge to reveal the identities of people that are clearly trying to maintain their anonymity. Is that a cool way of winning an argument? Is that a proper retribution for what you consider to be rude or bullying behavior? I think it is totally lame. Marisacat ranks on me all the time. I don't mind, although sometimes I have to shake my head at what I consider a bad misreading of what I think and where I stand. But this outing business is beneath contempt. I know Delaware Dem likes to tell people to STFU and get in line and all that. But that is no reason to go post his picture on the internet. Since DD is a lawyer I assume he will be taking some action. If I were Marisacat I'd take that photo down and apologize...profusely.

Not Cool.

Outing Bloggers | 144 comments (144 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

I don't mean to contradict you, nor to get in the middle of this kind of mess.

But I would like to suggest that it's possible that there is another side to the story.

I didn't see where Marisacat identified DD's photo by his real name. She published a photo that I assumed probably was DD, but the description was coy, and it was not specifically linked to another part of her page, where she did give DD's real name. However, she also says that his public tagline at DKos regularly linked to his own blog, where he gives his own name. If that is true, then perhaps DD is being overly histrionic. On the other hand, if that is not true, then I completely agree that the outing is totally out of line.

by Arminius on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:06:16 PM EST

What happens on dKos (4.00 / 7)

should STAY on dKos.

Whadda buncha maroons.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:24:15 PM EST
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Re: What happens on dKos (none / 1)

AG, we agree on this one.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:15:45 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 0)

so if I figure out who you are by following some link you provide is it okay for me to post a picture of you?

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:35:50 PM EST
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this is what I don't get (4.00 / 6)

He wasn't anonymous. His signature (for as long as I can remember, though changed now) linked to his photo blog with his real name.

Was it just because his picture was posted that he feels he has to leave?

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:40:46 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (4.00 / 5)

Maybe it wasn't a flattering shot.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:42:30 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

None of the photographs of Delaware Dem marisacat posted are flattering. i just want to know what he did to marisacat. because i am not a member of kos, i do not know.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:51:34 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 1)

she doesn't like his politics. Neither do I, really. That's why we usually argue. I don't know why Marisacat takes him so personally, but he does have a tendency to tell people to shut up which is why a lot of people have a problem with him.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:54:18 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 1)

Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that he may have been involved in her being banned from dkos.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:56:41 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

could be.

I never knew why she was banned.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:58:21 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

iirc, she asked someone if he was a staffer in Schumer's office.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:05:29 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

I think I read in the comments somewhere over there that that incident was in regard to GregNYC.

Or maybe it was both. I have no clue. And I don't know if that was related to her banning, or if it was something else altogether.

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:08:29 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

Here it is: link

Don't want to be spreading around unsourced rumours :)

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:10:39 PM EST
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I don't get this either ... (4.00 / 2)

I knew who he was ... from his photoblog ej mentioned.

I'm thinking it was b/c of his picture.

parvum opus

by olivia on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:22:56 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

I don't know. We actually posted a picture of him back during the election. I had forgotten that. It was during election night at Patrick Murphy's headquarters. But it wasn't his bosses' photo and it wasn't a close-up. I don't worry about people's reasons for wanting to protect their privacy. I just try to respect their wishes.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:44:28 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 1)

If a BT member outs someone on another blog, what do you do about it here? Shouldn't that be a bannable offense? It seems like you'd want to encourage people to join and stay and not have them shying away because of the possibility of being outed.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:48:08 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 0)

that's a good point.

I'll have to think it over because this isn't all that straightforward.

In general, though, I agree with you.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:55:45 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (4.00 / 2)

From what I read, there is substantial fuzz in this instance, which has gotten me thinking about the general principles that apply. When is a "naming" an "outing"?

I suggest the following two criteria. They're an attempt to state explicitly what I think we already think. For a naming to be an outing:

The person named must currently be avoiding easy public identification. This doesn't mean tight secrecy, because destroying even weak anonymity can increase the chances of some family embarrassment, job termination, etc.
The namer clearly knew this. This can be assumed if the namer either:

Got the name outside public internet channels (an email, a party, etc.), or
Inferred the name by combining multiple piece of information (a pattern of links to a personal blog, etc.), or
Used public information that is now obscure (a comment somewhere 2 years ago, etc.).

In short,

No attempted anonymity, no outing.
No awareness of attempted anonymity, no outing.
Attempted anonymity + awareness of it + naming = outing.

When either of the two criteria is marginal, the benefit of the doubt should be toward innocence if the naming looks accidental, or has an obvious innocent motive, or is itself in an obscure place. There should, however, be a strong presumption of culpability if the namer is obviously trying to harm or embarrass the person named, even if the case for (1) and (2) is relatively weak.

At least, that's what I came up with after thinking about the issue for awhile, and trying to capture what seems like common sense.

(I offer no judgment in the present instance, since I know almost nothing about it.)

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.

by technopolitical on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:33:59 AM EST
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straightforward (none / 1)

I do think it's straightforward and I feel we need to have hard and fast rules and one of them should be if you out someone you're banned.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:00:55 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (4.00 / 4)

Yes.

But it isn't straightforward because he didn't work very hard to keep his identity secret and because we posted a photo of him here and he didn't complain or suggest we shouldn't.

What she did was to take his company photo and post it without permission. And that photo is a big close-up that identifies him to anyone that knows him.

It's not cool. But it's not exactly the same thing as outing him. That's why I say it isn't straightforward.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:13:37 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

Well, Boo, I would think you'd want more members not fewer. And not just members with "sensitive" identities either, because you could say that all of our identities are sensitive to us unless proven otherwise. I have posted my entire name (all of them!) here so I'm not talking about myself. But if you out someone's name who's 'just a mother' or 'just an accountant' you have no idea what ramifications that could have in their lives.

So if DD never gave anyone permission to use his pic and/or disclose his name and someone did, that person should be banned. And BT shouldn't be known as a place that gives shelter to a serial outer.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:29:05 PM EST
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What you said might be true (4.00 / 3)

if he hadn't linked to his blog all over the place.

But he did. So the situation is much, much different.

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:34:14 PM EST
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Re: What you said might be true (4.00 / 5)

And of course, there is this where he used his real name, as well as having previously linked to his photo blog which has his picture and name on it.

Why is this on BooTrib's FP? He was out. He "outed" himself. Jeez.

I have sent emails to Frost and Donnelly (none / 1)
Here is the text:

Dear Mr. Donnelly:

I am deeply saddened that you have pulled your advertising from Daily Kos. I understand you have pulled your advertising due to the controversy surrounding Mr. Zuniga's comments concerning the four Blackwater civilians killed in Iraq on Wednesday. I would invite to read Mr. Zuniga's explanation at the following link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/2/175739/8203

I would urge you to reconsider your decision and to not withdraw from fundraising in the blogosphere. If we are to win this year, you will need every drop of money we can muster.

Thank you for reading my email.

Jason Melrath.

by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 02, 2004 at 05:43:02 PM PST

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:40:04 PM EST
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Re: What you said might be true (4.00 / 8)

or...

Hello All (4.00 / 12)

My name is Delaware Dem. Many of you will of course know me from Daily Kos and the Cafe. I am a regular at the Philly Blogger events, such as Philly for Change and Drinking Liberally. I am a Catholic, except that I am a liberal.

My real name is Jason Melrath. I live and work in Philly.

by Delaware Dem on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 18:29:55 PST

Come on BooMan, this is just silly. He freely used his identity around the blogosphere. No outing involved. I suggest apologizing to Marisacat for claiming she outed him and updating your diary to reflect that 1) he used his name in posts as Del Dem 2) he linked to his photo blog "Millhouse's Glasses" in his sig for years which had his pics and real name and 3) his photo was posted by Cabin Girl on this site.

Much ado about nothing, but another great drama in blogland.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:51:57 PM EST
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Re: What you said might be true (none / 1)

Is it possible that it is one thing to identify yourself in a manner you choose and another for someone else to identify you in a manner they choose? I mean that as a genuine question. In DD's case, he seems to have been so public in his self-identification that he has little grounds to complain. But the use of the copyrighted picture might just cost marisacat some bucks.

Mostly, I'd like us to have a few days without internal fights. Could we all try to cool off a bit?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:24:50 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

But it's not exactly the same thing as outing him.

Fine, then let's call it compromising someone's identity. Semantics.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:34:00 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

Why don't we create an appropriate penalty for "bad form"?

"green grass and high tides forever"

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:42:13 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

so sorry I disagreed with you.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:48:41 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 1)

No need to apologize SN.
I was just working this through logically.

Maybe a warning for bad form first...
then if that doesn't work, something a little more consequential, yet measured...like maybe...I don't know...how about die you fucking pig?
Then we can all post pictures of flowers to each other because shit...it's not real life.

"green grass and high tides forever"

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:57:02 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

You're certainly repressing some big anger about something. I thought I was diplomatic in saying that it seemed to be a family thing and maybe we should just leave it be. I'm sorry the flowers offended you. Apparently it is not your acceptable brand of peacemaking. Of course, yours is the right one.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:00:06 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

Repressing anger? Is that akin to biting my tongue? If so, then yes, I'm biting my tongue. Not in this response though. And you're right, it was about family. That's why I rated it. Thing is, the second third and fourth time I read it I realized it was about family and so much more. I'm sorry that the mild way I expressed my displeasure that members of this place were being lumped into one ugly basket was so over the top that it caused me to be called a _, and a __, and that I should_and __!
And if anyone cares to look, I unrated the comment, not the diary. It's NOT okay to say the things that were said about people in that comment and then hide behind a child.

Now I'm finished.
Goodnight

"green grass and high tides forever"

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:27:51 PM EST
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Re: straightforward (none / 0)

Not quite finished.
Before anyone says anything about lumping soldiers into the war criminal basket, let's just say that no one here is carrying a weapon and blowing people's brains out...for lies.

"green grass and high tides forever"

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:39:09 PM EST
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Re: this is what I don't get (none / 1)

I don't worry about it either, and I try to do the same. I think trying to track down bloggers' real life identities is probably one of the most ridiculous ways one could find to waste their time.

It just seems weird that he didn't seem to be making any effort to hide his identity, and now it's a big deal that someone else posted it.

Ah well. I've already wasted enough time on it. He'll be back blogging under another pseudonym soon enough.

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:50:01 PM EST
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I'll bet he keeps the same user ID (4.00 / 2)

He already quit in a huff once before and said he'd come back with a different ID, but he didn't.

More histrionics.

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:35:31 PM EST
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Re: I'll bet he keeps the same user ID (1.50 / 2)

you would know about histrionics. Say hi to marisacat.

by taylormattd on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:17:31 PM EST
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semi-annonymity (none / 0)

Yeah, I remember that photo. Its weird to try to keep your identity semi-secret and I am not sure what is triggering the trouble for DD, but there is in general no good reason for posting someone's real name and picture unless you are exposing a significant hypocrisy. Like I dunno if you are Karl Rove in real life.

Anyway hopefully he'll show his face around DL again, I've been missing our arguments. I guess from now on he won't be able to boast to us when his diaries get recommended.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama

by Luam (LuamDK at gmail.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:55:59 PM EST
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I really don't know what the deal is (none / 0)

with Marisacat and Del Dem.

I think that it is about him having something to do with her banning. I think that it is open warfare between her, Kos and certain Kossacks.

Recently, I really got upset over someone looking up my e-mail address online...and that was just over the possibility of dating.

He said, he just wanted to know who he was talking to.

I was incredulous. Then, when my mouth remembered to close, I told him, never effing mind, and cut off all communication.

Me, I never did the same to him, but I figured, over time, that I would eventually talk about myself and what I liked to do, etc., et al.

He never gave me the chance. He just went bottom-feeding, and then proclaimed...oh, I know ALL about you.

Hell no, you don't.

So I'm not into blowing my nom de plume by telling people my real name. Or others'. I figure when it is time, I will let people know. But otherwise, respect my privacy.

An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:16:06 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 10)

This is a big fake. Much ado about nothing. His full real name was on his blog, which he linked to in his sig on his DKos posts, and it would be easy to find a pic of him by googling.

If he was afraid of being "outed", if he thought he "could be fucking fired" as he claims, then he has no business running a blog that prominently displays his full name, and then linking to it from all of his "Delaware Dem" posts.

This is all bullshit. He's a fraud. It's the full moon, he wants some attention, he wants to call Marisa a "bitch" and a "cunt", so this is his excuse.

Disgusting.

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:32:32 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

Well then, let's lift a picture of you from your workplace website and put it on the front page of this blog. I'm sure your reaction would be a model of civility.

by taylormattd on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:21:46 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 3)

I'm sure Miz Laura and the other thugs would love to do that. I know she - or one of the other admins with whom I've corresponded - has been giving out my real name to people. I also know that my professional website has been visited often by members of the private DKos "management team". I have a record of this on my web stats.

Hi guys!

Unlike many of you, I don't worry about being "outed", I don't post lies about my personal life, and I'm not ashamed of my picture.

Here are my professional websites:

http://www.heatherroseryan.com/

http://www.mysteriousmountain.com

Knock yourself out!

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:10:07 AM EST
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Thank you for posting my URLs to DKos! (none / 0)

I greatly appreciate it. I've already gotten a few nice emails from people who have found my sites because of your posting.

Please continue to pass the info on to whomever you like.

I wouldn't have put it on the web if I didn't want people to see it :-)

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:58:40 AM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

Christ, well imagine on top of all that he had jailed mercenaries threatening to kill them when they got out of prison and using their various fan base to write threatening letters to people trying to find out someone's real identity. Christ!!

On the other hand, I dont know DD from a hole in the wall but it always tickles me to see the GBCW acronym since I totally invented it. It's true!

Pax

Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

by soj on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:34:42 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 0)

Then you'll be expecting a large royalty check, soj. :)

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:36:59 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

I have been trying to get myself banned at Big Orange for... gosh, years now. What do you have to do, exactly? Because I'm stumped.

by NYCO on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:44:00 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 6)

What do you have to do, exactly?

Piss off DHinMI and/or Miz Laura.

by the other colleen on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:06:36 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 5)

NYCO, just ask for transparency about where the money flows from on that site. You'll be gone in no time flat.

by wilfred on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:42:26 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

Or ask about Markos's new house and the plasma television he had installed when interviewed by the media. Although they have done a lot for the Democratic Party, Markos's wealth and personal value has increased tremendously in the past few years. I would love to see his tax reports.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:00:01 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

Point out the bullshit of the frontpage clique like I just did, and you'll get banned, like I just was for I think the fourth time.

Eternal Hope the resident kossack apologists did it this time.

So don't give any kossack cliquy assholes the benefit of the doubt.

Stray Roots Message Board,Thus far unmoderated! Dameocrat Blog

by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:59:40 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 0)

Here is the link!

It's really funny how the troll their own board than bann anyone that points this out.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:02:08 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

Oh for god's sake. You were banned because you have already been banned three times. Read the FAQ, you can't come back after you've already been banned.

by taylormattd on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:25:19 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 3)

Mostly, I'd like us to have a few days without internal fights. Could we all try to cool off a bit?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:28:30 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

I was invited back after being banned by dhinmi over recommending the wrong diary, not that the actual record matters over there.

Stray Roots Message Board,Thus far unmoderated! Dameocrat Blog

by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:42:32 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

You don't need to stretch the truth. You just recently admitted you think this was the fourth time you were banned.

by taylormattd on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:53:33 PM EST
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Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

I was also invited back.

Stray Roots Message Board,Thus far unmoderated! Dameocrat Blog

by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:06:08 AM EST
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start with an (3.75 / 4)

"An appreciation of hrh, Marisacat and Miss Devore" diary.

by Miss Devore on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:41:35 PM EST
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I'm not sure either (none / 0)

I threatened Markos with a physical sort of action once.......not banned. I compared Armando to one of the Tonight Shows's old characters and even included a photo that wasn't of Armando.....not banned. Ya got me.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:48:52 PM EST
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Re: I'm not sure either (none / 0)

Tracy, no more outbursts like you laid on supersoling. You can't do that. I know you were angry but you can't do that.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:54:16 PM EST
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why couldn't he just leave my kid alone? (none / 0)

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:58:30 PM EST
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Re: why couldn't he just leave my kid alone? (none / 0)

I'm not getting involved in that.

But you can't go off like that on other members. I gotta give you a warning.

I'd give it to anyone else too. That was way over the top.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:03:36 PM EST
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Okay friend, warning taken (none / 0)

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:05:03 PM EST
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If you have to ban me though (none / 0)

Can I just sign myself back up with my admin privileges?

PMS Purchase More Shoes

by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:07:42 PM EST
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I don't see where what he did was just (none / 0)

okay. I was more than happy to just go, because my daughter is 1000% right. I have really had it though Martin. I love you man, whenever this fight came up though even you refused to acknowledge that going AWOL also means jail time. Booman friend, it never was about money for us......but six years in jail just isn't doable for my husband nor is it for most of the people we know with families. Watada doesn't have a family to support and my husband doesn't think he's wrong for going about things the way he can. I have really put up with a lot from the "the military sucks and is all a bunch of murderers" crowd here. MaryB was right on too about how I am baited and baited and baited, and I really do have to deal with a pretty big load of stress so no wonder when they keep pushing me towards the cliff I finally go over. They make stuff up on here, don't care if something is the truth or not just as long it's what they want to hear.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:03:38 PM EST
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Re: I don't see where what he did was just (none / 1)

You want to end the war, I want to end the war, the people that are angering you want to end the war.

Somehow this common cause has become a huge problem that splintered this community and led lots of people to give up on it.

I get blamed from both sides. I'm supposed to ban people. I'm not supposed to ban people. I'm supposed to enforce rules on one side, or the other.

I can't win.

But there is one thing...

You can't go off on people like you did. It is a clear violation of the rules. And if I don't enforce the rules when you go that far over the line then the rules don't mean anything.

I also want to say that I understand why you have defended the military and your husband so vigorously. I also understand why some people think it is a moral obligation to refuse to participate in this war.

I have consistently taken the position that anyone that expects your husband to go to jail should consider going to jail themselves or else be respectful of the incredibly difficult position military families are in if they oppose this war.

I know you have been held to an impossible standard and I know you have suffered a lot of disrespect and lack of sensitivity.

But your response has often been outside of the rules of this site. And I have been as tolerant as I can be because I understand.

But I gotta ask you to take the high road here or at least refrain from cussing people out.

You know supersoling didn't deserve that even if he was wrong or out of line. You know he is a good guy and you know he cares about you.

We should all be rowing together.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:17:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have never asked you to ban someone (none / 0)

or not ban someone. It has never been my way. I don't make those kinds of requests. I requested that you erase my diaries yes.......but that's it so I hope that you can keep in mind that I have never ran your email into the ground making demands on you. I'm sorry that you feel like you can't win right now. Nobody is supposed to win....we are all supposed to work together. I have never desired for you to be in the middle of spit for me. I love you just the way you are on the side. MaryB was talking to me at Orange, about how I think I can play hardball with some people but really I can't and where I am sensitive certain people have my number here. Damnit if she isn't right as rain too. I know you think that Super cares about me Booman but he really doesn't, and I'm okay with that. It's really a pseudo sort of caring. I won't go off on him ever again but I would prefer if he just didn't know me from here on out and I won't know him, speak of him.....I will leave him alone totally. I really need that to happen from this point on for sanity sake because I will never be able to wash his reply to my daughter out of my brain. There wasn't anything there at all to indicate that he cares about anyone in my family period, and I'm okay with that. We should all be rowing together Booman but we aren't and it isn't your fault. The highest road I could take is to be very scarce here, then if people make facts up about the military I won't care. MaryB is right too that I can't play hardball with those here who have the goal of face planting me daily. I just keep getting pushed over the cliff.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:26:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never asked you to ban someone (none / 0)

No, you just lie, and bait and insult and terrorize all those who disagree with you on the hope they'll leave on their own.

Good distinction for sure.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:09:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Spiderleaf, I remember acting just like this (none / 0)

once when I felt attacked and hung out to dry. Is that how you feel right now?

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:15:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spiderleaf, I remember acting just like this (none / 0)

Are you auditioning for the job as my shrink, or did you just here that from yours?

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:23:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please let it go (4.00 / 2)

Mostly, I'd like us to have a few days without internal fights. Could we all try to cool off a bit?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:29:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, just stop for one minute (none / 0)

You are all over the place here and angry. Seriously, what is going on? It isn't like we are friends but what is happening tonight is really out of character for you.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:30:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Stop it! (none / 1)

Mostly, I'd like us to have a few days without internal fights. Could we all try to cool off a bit?

You two will never to terms. It's time to stop baiting each other.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:32:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If you mean me, MT, (none / 0)

I am trying to stop you and spiderleaf from getting hopelessly entangled in another futile argument that will leave you both hurt and angry.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:34:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know you don't want us to fight (none / 0)

She isn't just coming after me though. I'm just kind of worried. We haven't been friends or anything like that, I'm just worried about what I'm seeing.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:37:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know your're not talking to me, but c'mon (none / 0)

please, let's stop going after each other.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:38:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, just stop for one minute (none / 0)

You are seriously providing a whole boatload of amusement tonight. I keep reading your posts outloud and laughing along at them.

But Teach is right. I've spent way too much time on you tonight since you are obviously on one of your "up swings" and are therefore impossible to even have a convo with.

Are you feeling a tad out of touch after your dkos "friends" refused to support you, and actually saw the real you in action? LOL.

See you on the flip side. Any more bullshit like you pulled with super and Janet and I'll be there.

As AG would say: "bet on it".

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:34:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow spiderleaf (none / 0)

You're really feelin hateful.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:38:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow spiderleaf (none / 0)

You are the best teacher Tracy, but I so haven't even come close to your greatest hits. Case in point:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/1/31/92351/1735#6

And of course I have that diary saved which you deleted and continue to distort its contents. Some real classics in there from you. Would you like me to share?

Heh. Okay, this is way too much fun, Boo was right... and I have people to get back to... But I do feel like it's just prolonging your bullshit and not helping you deal with your issues or heal, so I'll walk away now and let you have the last word.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:45:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please let it go (none / 1)

Mostly, I'd like us to have a few days without internal fights. Could we all try to cool off a bit?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:30:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not sure either (none / 1)

Mostly, I'd like us to have a few days without internal fights. Could we all try to cool off a bit?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:28:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Delaware Dem (4.00 / 7)

is a big boy. I am sure he will get over it. Besides, he is a very big bully. He can take what he dishes out. I am sure he can take more than what he dishes out. It shows.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:55:43 PM EST

exactly right (4.00 / 7)

I can't stand these big fat bullies who throw their weight around, tell people to "get a thicker skin" etc., and then shriek like stuck pigs when someone zings them. They can dish it out but they can't take it. Typical bullies.

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:16:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what about skinny bullies? (2.50 / 2)

- pyrrho

by pyrrho on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:55:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 7)

looks like he was out already. Looks like he just trying to smear mariscat. Given my own run-ins with this person I can't say I am surprised. Let's hope dhinmi leaves with him.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:14:50 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 10)

I know I always have to choke back the tears when I see a nasty bully get a bloody nose. Oh, the humanity!!!

I have one question about this reprehensible character and his running buddies in the Little Orange Footballs goon squad ... why does he CARE what Marisacat thinks and writes? He calls her a bunch of sexist words, claims that her blog is small and unimportant, but then turns around and elevates it by flouncing out of dkos in a snit for being outed (which is itself funny as he outed himself long ago).

Del Dem & DH and Armando/Fernando/Big Tent Dem huff and puff and denigrate ANYBODY who won't knuckle under to their wardheeling, yet for some reason still care what they write AFTER they've been successfully driven off of their little Republican trojan horse. I don't get it.

I mean, come on. They have silenced all remnants of real diversity and dissent at that formerly lively place. Why do they care?

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:02:53 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 0)

Not really sure why they care, but they do, so I'll let 'em. I don't really think of it as knuckling under, though, cause really, who cares? It's only the goddam internet.

My Band Rocks!

by keirdubois (keir@mybandrocks.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:40:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 7)

I don't know why some people have the urge to reveal the identities of people that are clearly trying to maintain their anonymity.

Like Armando, DD wasn't trying to maintain his anonymity. He had 'outed' himself several times on DK, photos of him have appeared here, his .sig line on DK linked to his blog where he uses his full name.
DD is just upset because someone (not Marisa) found his on-line mating call.

Since DD is a lawyer I assume he will be taking some action.

Oh, I don't think so.

by the other colleen on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:03:06 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 4)

Because he failed his bar exam 3 times, Delaware Dem cannot take any action. Besides, he clearly misunderstands the law.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:47:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 8)

I've just read the post and the comments. It's pretty damned apparent that Del Dem outed himself. After that Bomman outed him.

So what is this post doing uncorrected on the front page of this blog?

It's just more of the pot calling the kettle black. Oh, and blog boyz being blog boyz.

By the way, is it true that Del Dem pointed the finger at someone for failing the bar numerous times when he himself failed it more than once? That sounds like the subject for a front page post much more than this screed was.

by wilfred on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:09:31 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 5)

Hey wilfred,

Sorry I missed you at the march this past weekend. It was your diary that sparked me into going.

FWIW, I agree that the front page post should be updated to include the further information.

As for the bar thing, my understanding is that DD pointed out that a candidate for state Attorney General had failed the bar several times...I do think that is relevant information in that case. If DD were to run for Attorney General, I would similarly think it relevant, but as is I don't think it's hypocritical or inappropriate for him to point it out.

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:15:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 5)

I just think it is hypocritical to accuse someone else of what you are guilty of yourself, simple as that.

The march was great! so much fun, just wish more folks had turned out. It was the smallest DC march i've ever been to but i'll keep marching, voting and contributing until the powers that be stop doing horrible things with their power.

by wilfred on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 07:37:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The cost of this kind of fight. (4.00 / 4)

I just heard via email from someone I value a great deal that they are gone from here because of the marisacat crap. Damn it, I'm tired of people fighting. This space is the best place I've found for meeting and getting to know interesting, intelligent people that I enjoy spending time with. These pointless and endless personal fights are going to destroy what so many good people have made here.

I tell my students that if the KKK couldn't dream up better TV images of Blacks than the UPN & WB shows my students watch. Well the GOP couldn't dream up a better progressive blog than one that turns on itself every night and devours it's own. I am sick of the nasty attacks every damn night.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:49:23 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

I don't get it. The dude seems to have been anonymous in the everybody knows my name, my profession, where I work, where I live and what I think about every thing kind of way - which is to say, not at all. I've never really read his stuff, but talking to him in person, he's always seemed like a nice, reasonable guy. That said, this just seems like something he cooked up so he could throw some sexually charged insults at Marisacat.

by Chris on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:00:38 AM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (3.00 / 4)

Damn. Some of you folks are particularly mean-spirited.

by PsiFighter37 on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:41:55 PM EST

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

And so is Del Dem from what I have read and heard.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:57:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (2.80 / 5)

Not to the level of vitriol's that has been raised here. Folks like you seem to take particular delight when a blogger that you don't like - but who nevertheless shares the same basic principles as you - get kneecapped in one way or another.

It's disturbing.

by PsiFighter37 on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:11:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 2)

Not to the level of vitriol's that has been raised here

That's complete crap.

by the other colleen on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:14:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 3)

Kneecapped? Huh?

by posting a picture, unattributed, of a person who has freely posted their identity, both written and photographic?

Please stop the drama. It's called the internet.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:18:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (3.00 / 2)

It was far from unattributed, based on mariascat's posting of links to DD's diaries at dKos. And his pic is not that easily found as you seem to indicate. A google image search on his name only comes up with shots of Philadelphia that are from his blog.

So please, continue to manufacture justifications for your irrational hatred of all things dailykos...

The American Nightmare

by the white trash poet on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:29:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 3)

Did you ever click on Del Dem's sig line? His name and his mug front and centre. Let alone all the comments I linked to here where he revealed his name in full.

God, do people on these blogs actually understand the Internet??

Calling Al Gore, remedial in aisle 3.

But please, do try again.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:37:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

His photo is not on his blog. Please provide evidence to the contrary. You can say it all you want, but that doesn't make it true.

And this is not about his name being out there. Read his diary. He addresses his name being out there already. This is about mariascat's bizarre use of his work photo (which is not easily found) to discredit his posts on a blog she supposedly hates. His boss is aware of his blog postings, but what that asshole (mariascat) did last night put him in a position where continuing t post put him in a position that his profession took precedence over blogging. He was pissed about that and posted. I know he was pissed because we exchanged emails about mariascat's post prior to his diary being posted.

So, try to vilify DD all you like, but this all goes back to a dozen or so people's strange obsession with dKos and the personalities that participate there. Seriously, some people need serious help, or hobbies or something...

The American Nightmare

by the white trash poet on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:45:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 0)

I don't have to provide more evidence than I have to you for my opinion, and the fact that he outed himself. His name and picture are all over the internet. Including in a diary here by Cabin Girl.

Learn how the internet works and then maybe we can have a conversation. Until then, go read all the evidence people have posted, on this blog and others and then come back. It's not up to me to do your research or enlighten you.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:02:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

I am not asking for research, I am asking for proof. Show me where his picture is easily available. Show me where HE posted his picture (not the shot from election night posted here with a half dozen folks in frame).

You see, I have searched and cannot find what you say is so easily available. So, I ask you to prove your statements.

The American Nightmare

by the white trash poet on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:06:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (none / 1)

his work photo (which is not easily found)

Just because you say something does not make it so. You may have had a difficult time finding DD's photo but anyone reasonably adept at internet research could have found it easily just as it was easy to find his online mating call.

but this all goes back to a dozen or so people's strange obsession with dKos and the personalities that participate there.

A dozen or so? You wish.
Hundreds of people enjoy watching the pathological trainwreck that is Daily Kos and Marisa's is far from the only blog writing about it occasionally. I understand this makes you and yours uncomfortable (as it should)but I don't expect that discomfort will alter your collective behavior.

by the other colleen on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:26:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outing Bloggers (4.00 / 4)

The exposure and outing of Del Dem is no way interesting. I do, however, believe he asked for retaliation. The manner whereby he addresses large numbers of people is frankly unbefitting for someone who considers himself a paragon of integrity. Indeed, his statements bespeak a predilection for aggressivity, immaturity and bellicosity. Because I find his tone offensive, I avoid him and his diaries altogether. This may explain why I have been posting multiple diaries on Louisiana's 2007 elections on a different blog. Focused on my state's elections this year, I do not have time for Delaware Dem and other bloggers of his ilk. Your characterization of me is quite unfair, and I ask you to apologize immediately.

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by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:29:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Did I mention... (none / 0)

yeah, you did. Could we move on from the loathing, please?

by Heart of the Rockies on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:14:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did I mention... (none / 0)

I fear him. But I hope I will have no reason to fear him once he is defeated by some Democrat in 2007.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

by louisianagirl (fantastic [dot] reality -at- hotmail [dot] com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:00:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yup, and pushing military spouses (none / 1)

under lots of stress over the cliff is the soup du jour. And if they are stupid enough to be in the military, well then their stupid kids can be dessert.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:16:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Keep trying to bait Tracy (3.00 / 2)

even after BooMan reminded you of the rules.

Actually, I think this totally qualifies as hijacking a thread to continue your own personal issues.

what does this thread have to do with the military?

Log out and go spend time with your family. You'll be so much the better for it.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:36:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Honestly spidey (none / 0)

You are like the last person I'm likely to ever take advice from as to what would make me better for anything. I don't consider you an authority on the subject.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:40:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Honestly spidey (none / 0)

Too bad, I have a lot of life experience to offer to those who are open to seeing a different point of view.

But regardless of if you chose to take my advice, what you are doing now is being a prick and furthering your baiting of members here, even after a warning. That my dear is against the rules of the site.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:44:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not baiting or being prick (none / 0)

How am I doing that?

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:45:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see, I was supposed to feel slighted (none / 0)

or something by your accusations and then I was supposed to fly off the handle?

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:48:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I wonder what's going on in your life (none / 0)

that has you acting the way you are right now. I know what my weak points are and they are pretty fragile. I have never been one to want to prey on others weak points unless of course you were George Bush. I wonder though Spidey if you don't need a good friend a lot more than you need good enemies?

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:52:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I wonder what's going on in your life (none / 0)

Actually hon, thanks so much for asking. My business is booming, I'm out every night, and now feel like I'm back in the right form to fight your bullshit each step of the way. I actually have good friends offline who I can laugh about all this neocon authoritarian bullcrap and feel utter sympathy and sadness for how you are expressing yourself.

So bring it on. I won't crawl back to my own blog this time. I'm here to stay and make sure you don't do any more fucking harm than you already have.

But thanks for asking. :)

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:07:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not here to beat you out of here (none / 0)

When I was like this I was really feeling fragile and hurt.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:21:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not here to beat you out of here (none / 0)

You give yourself way too much credit Tracy. You can't hurt me. I don't respect you. You've made sure of that the last 6 months. I just won't tolerate your crap or let you hurt others. I'll take all of your venom and roll with it. You are nothing to me but a sad, fucked up woman who is trying to drag everyone down with her.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:27:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm sorry that I came off that way to you (none / 0)

I am having a hard time surviving some of the things in my life right now. I never knew though that being in one of those spots in our lives made us less than or fucked up.

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by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 11:43:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]