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Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news; Gore for Peace Prize

by spiderleaf
Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 03:11:34 AM EST

Al Gore has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

But Marisacat on the FP is so much more fun, ain't it?

This is the story the world is talking about. This is the real news. This was your President.

So how are you going to help him? Up here in Canada our politicos have been talking Kyoto and Climate Change all day. We ain't perfect by any means, but at least we're talking. So... what are you, or your leaders going to do to save our planet?

They should talk to Gore... he has a boatload of good ideas imo.

Former Vice President Al Gore was nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to draw the world's attention to the dangers of global warming, a Norwegian lawmaker said Thursday. "A prerequisite for winning the Nobel Peace Prize is making a difference, and Al Gore has made a difference," said Conservative Member of Parliament Boerge Brende, a former minister of environment. Brende said he joined political opponent Heidi Soerensen of the Socialist Left Party to nominate Gore as well as Canadian Inuit activist Sheila Watt-Cloutier before the deadline expired Thursday. The winner is announced in mid October.

Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news; Gore for Peace Prize | 149 comments (149 topical, 0 editorial, 2 hidden)

But I also want to add a slight reproach to the lecturing tone. Many Americans, and most here, are already aware of your revelation.

I've been saying for years that Gore is my favorite candidate. He is the real president. He is a genuinely great man. He has an amazing shot at winning both an Oscar and a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE in this same year. The whole world is turning to him for relief from the current dictatorship. I hope he wins both awards and announces for president. I think he will win.

by Arminius on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 04:23:11 AM EST

Thanks for the rec, but I don't see the 'revelations' as you have on this site today. so my tone may be lecturing because it's so damn pathetic that the FP is all about MCat and a non-outing.

I really don't care if it's rec'd or not. I don't expect many of my diaries to be so from here on out. Not a big deal. But it is news and presented as I feel appropriate at this moment in time, on this site.

Your second para I absolutely agree with.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 04:30:52 AM EST
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I really don't care ... (4.00 / 6)

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Sure you do, this site is meant to be about caring and we care about one another. Always enjoy your rivals, rants and contribution.

Ehh ... take care spiderleaf.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY

by Oui on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:05:20 AM EST
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Re: I really don't care ... (4.00 / 4)

Oh, cool, I was just about to ask what this site is all about!

I guess I'll need to stick around a bit to see that "its all about caring and caring for each other" part?
;)

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:10:30 AM EST
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Do Stick Around (4.00 / 3)

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Lavish yourself at the frog pond and enjoy the flower shower. Many aeons ago, there was always a Welcome Wagon for all newcomers.

Some of the old-timers do get a bit rusty and cranky, that's where the young ones take over the platform and butt the 'oldies' for a dive into the muddy bottom. Just don't take away the pleasure and do have fun!

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:26:40 PM EST
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Bogo, hang in there. (none / 1)

This kind of nastiness is not typical.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:29:31 PM EST
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Re: Bogo, hang in there. (none / 1)

thanks -- I actually think it is quite typical on these community blog-type-thingies, cyclical maybe, but most definately typical. Not surprised, just bad timing on my part!

lol

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:52:58 PM EST
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Re: Bogo, hang in there. (4.00 / 2)

yeah, it is definitely cyclical. Moderating a site like this is not easy. I've made some mistakes. In other cases I don't think there was a good decision available.

For the most part, the core group of people here is pretty tight. There have been some people here the last few days that were very respected parts of this community but that left over one thing or another. They came back and they rehashed an old controversy from last summer.

On the one hand, it was great to see some old faces. On the other, we really didn't need to re-fight and old sore spot.

If you want to get to know the community the best way to do it is to find the most recent Froggy Bottom Cafe or Lounge and introduce yourself.

Most of what goes on in the Cafe is non-political. But it is a way to get to know some pretty great political activists.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:58:09 PM EST
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Re: Bogo, hang in there. (4.00 / 3)

Interesting -- do you moderate the site yourself or is it a tag team thing?

I've learned much so far (more than I really want to know, frankly), and thanks for the Cafe tip, but I am not much into sharing personal stuff with complete strangers...and with this group, looks like that kind of thing can come back and bite you in the ass!

Mostly, I'll probably just read and post inconsquential blather here and there when the mood strikes me.

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:12:37 PM EST
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You know what Booman? (none / 0)

This is what your best friend Tracy is contuing at Dkos...bashing this place and claiming she will never write here again. Then she is all over here bashing in some threads and acting like absolutely nothing has happened in others. It is disgusting! Tracy is the one that opened this whole thing up again. You allowed her to call Super a "fucking pig, I hope you fucking die" and me a "physcho spoiled bitch" ? I have been here since day one and really have admired and respected you, your writing and analysis of the political climate but the way you have handled this whole thing is absurd. Things had been very respectful and peaceful here until she reappeared this past month. Think about it.

"Thanks clammy (3+ / 0-)
Recommended by:clammyc, exmearden, godislove
I've always loved your writing. Not going to do anything Booman ever again. Really hurts though that feasting on my daughter is so delightful.

In the Pajamahadeen I'm Scooby-Doo!

by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 08:25:22 AM PST

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:10:05 PM EST
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Re: You know what Booman? (none / 1)

If I have been too tolerant of Tracy's outbursts I have to accept that criticism. She left voluntarily. She came back. I was surprised that she came back. I warned her that she couldn't write personal attacks like the one she wrote against supersoling.

I know Tracy and have spent time with her and her son. I have been very reticent to ban anyone ever since the Parker incident. Tracy is on notice that she can't continue to berate people.

I'm sorry if you are upset with me about how I am handling this, but I am doing my best.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:17:58 PM EST
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Re: You know what Booman? (none / 0)

Hey Buddy, it's your blog. If you want someone here that goes over to Dkos and writes a diary bad mouthing this site and the people that have kept you up and running for a long time so be it. Adios amigo. I wish you only good things.

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:25:32 PM EST
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Re: You know what Booman? (none / 0)

I don't want that.

It sould be obvious how I feel about people posting diaries at DK that disparage this community. But I am not looking to ban people lightly either.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:37:18 PM EST
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Re: You know what Booman? (none / 1)

BooMan - do you think it would be a good idea (or horrible) to as a community come up with standards of conduct that we would like to abide by, with specific, easy to follow consequences?

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:39:59 PM EST
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Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 1)

Is this what you had in mind when you started this blog? Did you imagine the same five or so people sitting in a cafe all day talking about their cats or dogs or pictures? Did you imagine the baiting and the cussing and the fights and the eating of their own nad the lies and disparaging comments here?

Let's get real here my friend. You told us you wanted a place to figure out how to Frog March the liars in the White House out and I believe to also help stop the war and make sure the votes were legally counted. Things like homes for the homeless and jobs for the jobless and healthcare for 40 million people without flippin insurance. To get progressives elected. What happened to all of that. The only time the traffic goes way up is if there is a flamewar between two posters or usually it involves a Dkos diary. Look what you one paragraph diary on Mariscat did last night!

Nope, not what I originally came over here from Dkos for. Not by a long shot.

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:46:43 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (4.00 / 3)

Your comments about the cafe has made me want to go dig up every goddamned animal picture I could find on the internet and send them to you, one at a time... forever. I sure do wish that you hadn't said that. I wish I hadn't read that. The FBC pisses you off? TOUGH SHIT. You don't see the need for mindless banter and human interaction in these dark times? Doesn't appeal to your elitist self image? Fine. THEN DON'T GO THERE, but DON'T DISPARAGE THOSE OF US WHO DO.

##**%!!#@%!!... and I mean that from the bottom of my animal loving, FBC loving heart.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.- Thomas Jefferson

by Nag on Sat Feb 3rd, 2007 at 01:07:41 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

The site has a life of its own. What is it that you want me do to? Ban Tracy? She's on notice.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:54:41 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

I want you to ban the FBC. Really, they're a pathetic bunch of losers and hangers on.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:55:55 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

Nothing, nothing at all. Life of its own is fine for those that aspire to little more I guess. I tried. But you just don't seem to care so what's the use. Have fun. You too SN and all your little clique over at the Lounge that Diane started for you.

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:59:40 PM EST
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ANd you might want someone (none / 1)

to maintain the site so that the margins and comments don't get all out of whack so you cannot read them.

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:01:17 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

tell me what you think.

I am asking you.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:07:14 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

I want you to be an administrator and you know what the right thing to do is. I want you to take control of your blog. Not try and just generate traffic. You have a brilliant mind kiddo. I wish I had half your intelligence. You know how to write. DO IT!! Don't play all these silly kids games.Did you really imagine a chat room for animal lovers? Are you satisfied?

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:12:16 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

I like the animal lovers. I write what I write and I try to keep people happy. Sometimes I fail.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:13:47 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

We all do martin, it is called being human. God knows, and everyone here, that I have made my share of mistakes and said awful things. I truly regret that but what you have allowed Tracy to do here to me to super to Janet is just not right. So with that, I truly mean this, I wish you well. Now, it is time for me to call it a day. GO BEARS!

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:18:32 PM EST
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Re: Then what DO you want Martin? (none / 0)

Tolerance is a tight rope. It is difficult to walk. You are doing well.

by sidewinder on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:51:37 PM EST
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Explain Spiderleaf's banning (none / 1)

Boo, if you don't take lightly to banning people, can you explain why you banned spiderleaf then? For asking you to admit your mistakes and correct the record? For standing up to the hatred being flung about (not just toward her, but toward many people who've displayed nothing but measured patience and goodwill toward others)? For stating plain and obvious truths about the clique mentality that's overcome all of this site's original goals?

These are people who have contributed in a very real and tangible way to your success, and to furthering the causes that we all profess to hold dear (as alohaleezy so eloquently put it in her reply to this comment). Spiderleaf has shared many of her most personal thoughts and experiences in the time she's been here.

I expect you or someone else will bring out the strawman of 'outing' people, or exposing their personal information. Let me explain why that's a strawman argument: when anyone posts something on the internet, it's there for all to see, and anyone can do just about anything with that information. Nobody can save Armando from the fact that he advertises his new identity over on another blog in his profile. Nobody but Maneegee can take down the photos that he uploaded, showing you and CG in a very affectionate pose. And he did. But, we who have seen it have seen it, and that can't be changed. Want me to stop mentioning it any further? Sure, just ask nicely. Want me to change google's search results? No can do. It didn't take a private detective to figure this stuff out. Only an average IQ and an internet connection. There were no breaches of confidentiality.

Now, I've asked you on spidey's behalf if you would delete the content she's contributed to your site. And you replied with a contrite "no". That's your choice, and no one else's. We know at the time we hit 'submit' that we're turning this power over to you. Did we misjudge the compassion you would show if we later decided that those personal thoughts shouldn't be up on the site? Remember, I'm not talking about what's in google's cache, or what anyone else is free to think or say: I'm talking about the power that you have to show respect and compassion, or ignore the request, for whatever reason.

So, it's your site and your choice to do as you see fit, for whatever reasons you decide are important. I'm not challenging your decision to ban spiderleaf, but I think you owe the community a little explanation of how this fits in with what you're saying should be so obvious, because it isn't so obvious to some. I am asking you to reconsider her request to delete what she's posted. There are one or two items in particular which, even if you want to keep the rest, would be worth considering deleting. If you are willing to discuss this offline, you have both of our email addresses from our private profiles, and our word that what's discussed in the confidence of email will remain confidential.

Everybody Comes From Somewhere: Conversations and Activism

by CookTing (FEMA|at|yourhouse|dot|now) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:26:02 PM EST
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Re: Explain Spiderleaf's banning (none / 0)

I banned her because I was sick of her and she was challenging me to ban her. It's that simple.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:27:11 PM EST
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Re: Explain Spiderleaf's banning (4.00 / 7)

whoa! Is that really the bottom line here? If you get sick of someone and/or they are challenging you, they get banned??

I think I'll tread lightly if at all.

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:28:56 PM EST
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Re: Explain Spiderleaf's banning (none / 0)

Thanks for taking a whole 10 seconds to consider what I wrote. You're one of a kind.

Everybody Comes From Somewhere: Conversations and Activism

by CookTing (FEMA|at|yourhouse|dot|now) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:29:42 PM EST
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Re: Explain Spiderleaf's banning (none / 0)

I don't want to give you the impression that there is some great principle being defended here. She lied. She refused to admit lying. She wanted me to ban her, so I did.

I'm deleting anything unless you can show me some harm that might come to her. If there are indiscretions she wants deleted I will consider that.

Otherwise, she wanted to be bannedd and she got her wish.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:33:15 PM EST
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What if (4.00 / 2)

What if? What if she didn't lie, even though you think you have irrefutable proof, which I am not buying that you did. What do you expect someone to do if they have not lied.
What she wanted was an apology, not to be banned and what she wanted was not to be accused of doing something she says she did not do.
This sounds a lot like the Plame affair....what you knew, and when you knew it.
Personally, if someone called me a liar and stuck with it, after I said I did not then I would be mad to say the least, to me that is the worse thing you can say to someone and to continue to say it.
I have an idea, why don't you ask Catnip who told her.
In all reality I think you warned MT before she left the last time and so this would be a second warning, but in my mind it should have been taken care of a long time ago.
This is not the first time something like this has happened here and will not be the last.
I suggested 2 years ago that you make firm rules and then abide, the do not be a prick rule is stupid..but even if you went by that rule a lot more people would have been banned.
What we want most of us here I do think is to not be attacked verbally.
Then there is always the time out which I suggested before also, warning, then time out for 2 weeks, then second warning time out for months or something of that nature. Call it a cooling off period.

Click here to step into the Village Blue2

by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:46:31 PM EST
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Re: What if (none / 0)

she lied Diane. She lied.

She is a liar.

She might be innocent of some of what I accused her of but not all of it.

She is a big fat enormous liar.

I hope, if nothing else, that has become clear in this whole blow-up.

She did more than anyone else to make an issue of my personal life back in July. I'm done with debating it. Nothing she has said has convinced me otherwise. Nothing.

I haven't banned anyone in ages and I let her lie for hours today and yesterday. But when she asked to be banned it was an easy request to grant.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 07:57:30 PM EST
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Re: What if (4.00 / 2)

So if someone lies about you then that is grounds for banning which I believe you threatened first before she "asked for it". But Tracy can spread lies here and all over the flippin internet and severely abuse people here she is given a warning...again? This was her second warning. Am I missing something?

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:08:23 PM EST
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Re: What if (4.00 / 2)

Well you haven't proven it to me and I suspect others as well. Can't imagine why she would want to be here at all after that but I sure can understand why someone would react in the way she did when accused and still continues to be accused.
Booman I have done probably more than most people on this site to build it up and I certainly hate to see things continue on in this direction.
I will let it rest now but I strongly urge you to make site rules as I suggested above.

Click here to step into the Village Blue2

by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:24:37 PM EST
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Re: What if (4.00 / 5)

I have wanted to weigh in on lots of this stuff, but have chosen not to until now. I do so with a heavy heart.

I understand Boo that you are frusterated and understand a bit about why. But I'll tell you that there was LOTS of chatter going on in different places about your relationship about the time of ykos. I remember doing it (mostly offline) too. So your case that it HAD to be Spider who told Catnip just doesn't add up.

I know you feel confused about this "banning" thing. But I think the absolutely WORST thing you can do is to ban someone out of anger. As others have said, what Tracy said to Super, Janet, Aloha, etc., was about at "prickish" as it gets. But because YOU are mad at Spider, she's the one that gets banned??? I'm not here to defend Spider, sometimes she makes me cringe with her comments. But I like her gutsy attitude. And I would miss her alot.

You know we often counsel parents not to discipline their kids out of anger. You usually make mistakes when that's where it comes from. I think the same thing should apply to banning here. If you're going to do it (and I know it needs to be done sometimes) do it rationally and for solid reasons.

Doesn't information itself have a liberal bias? Steven Colbert

by NLinStPaul on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:25:42 PM EST
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Re: I really don't care ... (none / 1)

Hey Oui, don't get me wrong, I do care alot. Just not about if this diary was rec'd or not.

Thanks for the kind words, and always good to see you too!

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:12:27 AM EST
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Peace Prize (4.00 / 5)

hmmmm, that's the way to win a peace prize spidey... ; )

I'm chuckl'n here, and it's great to hear from you...keep up the good work.

As for this country gett'n it's shit together and talk'n....well...that's gonna take a disaster...and it will come...because we hav'nt gotten together and agreed on anything in quite a while..

later

peace

"what a wonderful world"- Louis Armstrong

by infidelpig (rdewaynetaylor01@earthlink.net) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:21:35 AM EST

Re: Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news; Gore for Pea (4.00 / 8)

It's a new day, Spider. Let Gore be the point of your diary. Please change your diary title.

by Kidspeak on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:14:46 AM EST

Bullshit. (4.00 / 5)

Spiderleaf, I almost spewed my coffee all oiver my keyboard when I read that title.

What a load of crap that thread has become.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:55:44 AM EST
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Re: Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news; Gore for Pea (none / 1)

I agree with Arthur. I didn't make Marisacat the focus of this site for almost a full day, so it is appropriate.

But I do appreciate your point of view Kidspeak, thanks.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:11:09 AM EST
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Spider (4.00 / 2)

I very much appreciate what you have to say most of the time, but I have to note that if you didn't want the most recent Marisacat diary to be a big deal, posting roughly twenty percent of the total number of comments in the thread is a funny way of showing it. I generally will check out any diary that sounds interesting or that has more than 20 comments. All by yourself you pushed that thread over the margin. Likewise, focusing the title of this diary on the thread raises its profile even more. If you really think it's pointless, perhaps you should just ignore it.

Kelly McCullough - author of WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell - ACE (Penguin)

by KMc (http://www.kellymccullough.com/mail.html) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:20:58 AM EST
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Re: Spider (none / 1)

I'd love to Kelly, and under normal circumstances I'd take your advice, but BooMan has been spreading lies and smears about me and I am waiting for an apology. I jumped into the fray of the MCat diary, but I was limiting myself to responding to Tracy's weird comments until Martin called me a liar and continued it in another diary.

Now I'm fucking pissed and waiting for him to correct the record and apologize after he was proved wrong (well proved as wrong as he could be without my outing myself, which of course he must recognize).

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:24:41 AM EST
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Re: Spider (4.00 / 3)

I can understand why that perception would make you upset, though I didn't actually read the stuff in question (and probably won't since the thread is all meta) so I won't venture an opinion on the relative truth of anybody's arguments. I skimmed that thread for ratings abuse, did a little bit of uprating, realized I was breaking my own rule about meta (which I'm doing again here, sigh) then bailed. I probably shouldn't even have done that, or this. Anyway, I'm going to step away from the web now and get back to my deadline work. I hope your day gets better and I look forward to reading your (non-meta) stuff in the future.

Peace,
Kelly

Relurking.

Kelly McCullough - author of WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell - ACE (Penguin)

by KMc (http://www.kellymccullough.com/mail.html) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:44:48 AM EST
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Re: Spider (4.00 / 2)

Thanks Kelly, and I appreciate you breaking your rules to chat with me. Take care, and I promise I'll try and take your advice today. It's just so hard to sometimes.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:54:07 AM EST
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Re: Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news; Gore for Pea (none / 1)

And Kidspeak, it is a new day and I'm still waiting for the smear & lie against me by this site owner to be corrected and apologized for. Until that happens I will be quite vocal about how I feel.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:21:37 AM EST
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Re: Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news (4.00 / 2)

There's other news?

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 09:28:06 AM EST

hmm, I am confused (4.00 / 4)

why do the comments that I see in recent comments not appear when I open this diary?

Can I respond? (not sure I want to, but am confused)Where did they go?

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:20:04 PM EST

Re: hmm, I am confused (4.00 / 2)

go to your comment preferences and set it so you can see hidden comments.

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:26:23 PM EST
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Re: hmm, I am confused (4.00 / 4)

that didn't work -- I guess like spiderleaf says, I am not a "trusted user" -- what is that? Is that when I get to see a zero rating?

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:39:04 PM EST
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Re: hmm, I am confused (none / 1)

Hi bogo bear. First, don't take the last 48hours as an indication of what BT is about. Welcome.

You get TU when you've had enough comments rated a 4 and then you "get" to see hidden comments. Usually there aren't any, but the past few days people are in the middle of a tit for tat thing just like in jr. high.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:42:28 PM EST
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Re: hmm, I am confused (none / 1)

Yeah, after you accumulate a certain amount of 'mojo' (positive ratings on your comments) you will become a trusted user. This will allow you to rate comments with a "0 - Mega Troll" rating, and to see hidden comments.

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:43:07 PM EST
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so, ej (4.00 / 2)

I hear you guys are in for some arctic air around the great lakes this weekend. Time for a bahamas trip? Jamaica?

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:00:47 PM EST
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Re: so, ej (none / 1)

Yeah, we have a forecasted high of 5 on Sunday.

That's 5. Fahrenheit. High.

In 3 weeks I'll be off to Spain, does that count? :D

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:03:51 PM EST
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Re: so, ej (4.00 / 2)

Spain counts if it's above 5 degrees.

I'm planning to join my husband on a 'business' trip to Paris, then take a train to Prague and Budapest in May or June. I'm so excited! I've never been out of the country.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:07:04 PM EST
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This is totally off my deluded topic today (none / 0)

but I'm very jealous. What a trip. I hope you have the time of your life!

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:11:29 PM EST
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Re: so, ej (none / 0)

Oh yeah, definitely above 5. It'll be at least 10 times that.

Wow, your first trip out of the U.S.? How exciting! You'll have a great time. I've never been to any of the places you're going, but they're all high on my list for when I eventually go and backpack across Europe.

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:11:50 PM EST
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Re: so, ej (none / 0)

Good for you SN. I think you'll really enjoy Europe.

Mundane Doesn't Describe It

by Family Man (FamilyMan1atbellsouthdotnet) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:14:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hmm, I am confused (none / 0)

ah, they would be hidden since the first comment by Tracy has 2 zeros. Once you're a TU you can see them. Sorry... but feel free to respond unthreaded if you'd like.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:28:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

thanks! (4.00 / 5)

I am comfortable in my confusion at this point...;)

by bogo bear on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 12:40:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: thanks! (none / 0)

No worries. Just responding to your thought expressing your desire to reply to someone. Believe me, I completely understand why you wouldn't want to :)

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:07:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's not overlook the work of (4.00 / 3)

Sheila Watt-Cloutier ...

ITK -- "Inuit have known for many years that the climate is changing," said Duane Smith. "Sheila is highly deserving of this award. She knows and has been telling the world for many years that our shorelines are eroding, our ice is melting more quickly in the spring, and forming later in the fall, and we now have to move buildings every year because of the warmer weather and melting permafrost. Climate change is impacting Arctic wildlife and affecting the lives of Inuit throughout the northern reaches of Canada," concluded Duane Smith.

parvum opus

by olivia on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:34:25 PM EST

WOW!!! (4.00 / 2)

This site has TURNED INTO dKos!!!

Nice work, folks.

Neeeeext....

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:46:42 PM EST

Re: WOW!!! (none / 0)

AG, I'm with you once more. What the hell is going here? What can we do stop this?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:57:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WOW!!! (none / 0)

Give a shout-out.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:58:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WOW!!! (none / 0)

If BooMan bans me then I guess it will stop. I'll go away since I am obviously the biggest problem here.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:59:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Gore for Peace Prize (4.00 / 2)

wow, way to go!...turning a thread, that should have been about recognizing the accomplishments and honoring one of the most articulate voices and proponents of environmentalism, into a continuation of your inane pissing match.

do us all a favor and take it off-line, or over here...it's right next door to Uncle Bud's, so you can get shit-faced and sing karaoke if/when you run out of vitriol.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 04:27:26 PM EST

Let's keep suggesting (none / 0)

they take their fight to the Personal Abuse Club.

If they won't, we may have top start troll rating each and every hi-jacking.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:24:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, god save the queen (none / 1)

I understand that it was only by some fluke that Al Gore was not born in Canada.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:44:55 AM EST

Re: Well, god save the queen (none / 0)

Excuse me? Where did I say that? In fact, I believe I said "we're far from perfect" did I not? Did I also not have a comment in dada's thread where I detailed how horribly repressive Ontario was in the '90's under our conservative premier?

Right, I did.

Are you reading tea leaves or something?

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:51:54 AM EST
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Re: Well, god save the queen (4.00 / 3)

No, seriously, I read some odd bit about his mother going over to Canada for lunch and not realizing she was in labor for awhile.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:53:14 AM EST
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Re: Well, god save the queen (none / 1)

Seriously? Yikes, thanks SN, sorry I took your comment as snark.

Well, I'm glad he wasn't... being in the Senate helped him become the person he is today on Global Warming... and up for the Peace Prize no less!

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:56:05 AM EST
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Update - I am about to be banned (none / 0)

Just thought you all should know in case I can't respond to comments any more.

Everyone can see you are a liar and I am about ready to ban you for pissing me off with your lying.

I'm about to get banned for pissing him off because I'm denying an assertion he is making without proof.

But Tracy is golden.

I'll respond to Boo's comment and then it's up to him what happens next.

It's been great knowing a whole bunch of you.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:38:59 PM EST

Re: Update - I am about to be banned (4.00 / 13)

They have spun lies about me.

that I demonize the troops.
that I've said anything about Tracy's family or husband.
That I requested ANYONE to go AWOL or resist or they were war criminals.

4, that I attacked a diary about a woman whose brother was killed.
5. that my diaries are filled with lies.

I posted the quotes from soldiers who had resisted and it turned out those soldiers were retired or dishcarged something I didn't realize at the time. And made it like I was trying to be deceitful.

I will go to Ft. Lewis and support the troops and their families so that they can have a voice, an opportunity and come home.

I think it's really sad that so many in this community had to undergo so much drama.

I think so many wanted me and Tracy to be joined at the hip. The same. We're both wives of military men, we both have disabled children...

But we both are very different. We're different in how we handle things, approach things and even in our demeanor. Not better, not worse... just difrerent.

I can't possibly protest the war in every way that there is to do so. When you look at the whole picture it becomes overwhelming. Even with CP activities. So I've focused. And I think for me protesting the recruiting stations, supporting the war resistors like Swift, Watada and all the others who have shown up to turn themselves in while at events. Like in Seattle when some arrived.

I'm not a mean person, and I'm not one of these people who can even follow this drama stuff. All I know is that I didn't change into some mean, evil troll who arrives to bash and bait anyone.

I'm me. I always have been.

I left Booman because I knew there was a community here that Tracy needs. I didn't even write a GBCW diary. I simply left. I know she's having a hard time. I know she needed this place far more than I did. She needed the strength from the fabulous people here. But I didn't need the bashing and I have always refused to engage with her because I feel so much pain for her.

I do NOT demonize the troops, I do not expect tracy's husband to go aWol...

I'm the same person you all knew. When I march or go to events... I'm surrounded by peace activists and anti-war activists and they all are doing things in their own way. DIVERSITY WITHOUT DIVISION. I'm surrounded by veterans of so many wars. One man is even a VFP from WW2. The point is... I'm surrounded.

Because it's not about me, or them or anyone else. It's about stopping a war. It's about finding ways to help our soldiers and marines find a way out of this nightmare, a way to support our troops and their families, a way to heal the Iraq families.

and for me... this is just one of the way I can do this. To support the war resistors. It's just one of the things me and my family focus on doing.

This spring I will be going to a refugee camp in Jordan. I would not ask or expect others to this either.

It's just something I must do. Some focus on the environment, some focus on poverty/healthcare... there is so much to do.

I wish you all love, peace and the strength to do what you feel is needed to do to help heal this planet.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

by Damnit Janet on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:00:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Update - I am about to be banned (4.00 / 3)

That is THE MOST eloquent comment I have seen here in days. Thank you Janet for being you and staying true to that beautiful person that you are. Lots of love girl!

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 04:26:46 PM EST
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Re: Update - I am about to be banned (none / 1)

And Janet...before you take your leave, you need to post this comment somewhere else where it will be seen. It is, imho worthy of a diary. Please?

Frodo failed...Bush has got the ring.

by alohaleezy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 04:47:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What does this have to do with me? (none / 1)

I don't run around cooking up something I think might be revealing about someone's personal life and then throwing it up on blogs when I'm pissed. How does my name even come up in this?

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:48:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What does this have to do with me? (2.66 / 3)

Just so you know Tracy, this is what happened.

Ductape wrote that diary about the troops about the same time that spidey found out who I was dating. Everyone knew that you were friends with her. Spidey thought I was giving you deferential treatment because it would make my girlfriend happy.

She told catnip about our relationship and catnip wrote me a snide email accusing me of the same thing.

I went ballistic. I accused supersoling of passing around personal information about me. He denied it and was totally convincing.

If you remember, I banned no one in that entire incident. Nevertheless, many people left, including you and spiderleaf.

Then, when you came back, she again accuses me of giving you preferential treatment in deference to my girlfriend. She sees a photo that Manny took in DC that had her hand on my knee and she posts it as evidence of my bias. But she claims that this is the first she's heard of us dating each other.

Cute, isn't it?

by BooMan on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:59:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What does this have to do with me? (none / 0)

Bullshit. Stop making stuff up BooMan. You have no proof. I told you I did not repeatedly. You have no proof. Stop lying about me to fit whatever storyline you want it to.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:00:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think all the proof has been clearly (none / 1)

put out there. Spiderleaf, this isn't the first "outing" thing you have been implicated in recently. Your name keeps coming up lately in all of this outing stuff. It seems that you are very angry about bullies. I'm sorry that you felt like I bullied you before. I was very hypersensitive then and I probably did. I'm sorry. I have struck out at others when I felt deeply hurt by things that are affiliated with this huge painful sore heart I have right now. I love my husband more than I love anything other than my children. I waited such a long time to meet him and know him. I know Martin hates being ornery to anyone. I know you can talk all this through with him and he won't hurt you if you should choose to do that.

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:15:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You thought wrong. (none / 0)

Really? Did you happen to read Nanette's comment oh wise one?

I'm waiting for apologies for smearing my name from you, BooMan and CabinGirl.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/1/31/92351/1735#107

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:16:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well darlin, I can't be of any help to you (none / 0)

here other than to say that you have to be responsible for what you do and I have to be responsible for doing what I do. Being hurt and angry about abuse and cussing online is much different than outing bloggers. Much Much different and we all know this around here......it's right out of the bloggers Bible that we don't out.

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:21:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What does this have to do with me? (none / 0)

Stop making stuff up Tracy. I posted a link to a picture, nothing more. BooMan is making accusations without proof, just like you do. No wonder you get along with him so well.

What it has to do with you is that you are an abusive prick who has smeared, insulted and bullied many people here for months now, which is a clear violation of site rules. If you were anyone else you would have been banned long ago. But you're not, you are Tracy - CabinGirl's best friend and evidently really good friends with Martin.

It just shows the complete and utter hypocrisy of the site owner.

That's what it has to do with you.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:58:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know that you feel that way about (2.00 / 2)

me right down to your toes Spiderleaf and it wasn't ever destined that you and I would ever be friends. I don't wish you ill though. I do know what troubles my soul on my long days and do my best with it, not always perfect. Nobody is making anything up though on the issue at hand. I'm sorry, I feel for you right now. It isn't my stuff though. This is all yours. I don't know why you have been doing all this outing stuff, I know you are really mad....that's about all I know. You have been doing this stuff though these past few days or been part of doing this stuff these past few days and I don't know why. It isn't about me though.

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:06:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know that you feel that way about (none / 0)

Stop lying Tracy and we'll be able to communicate. I did not out anyone.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:07:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And now I get Donuts? (none / 0)

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:22:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And now I get Donuts? (none / 0)

Yup. If you lie and smear someone with no proof it is troll worthy.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:24:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nope, I think this about hiding as many (none / 0)

comments about all this stuff as possible. And that's sad. MaryB is right. There really isn't any way I could really ever have a toe to toe slug out with you.....I have never even sat down to figure out half of how you fight snotty dirty online. All I know how to do is cuss and act classless.

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:27:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's turning into donut heaven again (none / 0)

Almost like you wish to hide more comments from as many eyes as possible.

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by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:25:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's turning into donut heaven again (none / 0)

Nope. You're a troll so you get a troll rating. You trolled this thread and continue to do so, hence the ratings. Thems the rules.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:26:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Update - I am about to be banned (none / 0)

Half of the comments are off my screen.

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 01:57:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Gore? (none / 0)

I'm not sure what Al Gore has done to deserve a Peace Prize. Maybe I don't uderstand what the criteria are, but I expected it to have something to do with Peace. Did Gore do a little free-lance diplomancy that I missed? What's up?

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:00:27 PM EST

Re: Gore? (none / 0)

From what I gather it is all about making a difference globally.

From Wikipedia:

Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, the Nobel Peace Prize may be awarded to persons or organizations that are in the process of resolving an issue, or creating world peace rather than upon the resolution of the issue.

An environmentalist won in 2004 iirc.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 03:03:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Peace (none / 0)

I thought this was supposed to be about Al Gore and the wonderful honor of being nominated for a Peace Prize?

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 04:20:12 PM EST

Re: Meanwhile, in non-Marisacat news; Gore for Pea (none / 1)

Holy smoke, this site has gone to hell in the six months I was gone... Bye bye Booman Tribune.

The world's northernmost desert wind.

by Sirocco (sirocco2005 - AT - gmail.com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 08:49:01 PM EST

Sirocco (none / 0)

Hi there, missed reading all your great diaries.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Sat Feb 3rd, 2007 at 05:41:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Any possibility that you'll restart your blog? (none / 0)

Damn. It was usually a good read. Good to see your name again. Paz.

The Mahatma X Files. Peace With Attitude.

by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 12:22:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

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