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Battling It Out in the British Papers

by BooMan
Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:02:53 AM EST

Yesterday, Cheney and his minions used the UK Telegraph to warn Iran about the potential for an Israeli airstrike coming through Iraqi airspace. Today, the Pentagon responded in the Times of London.

SOME of America’s most senior military commanders are prepared to resign if the White House orders a military strike against Iran, according to highly placed defence and intelligence sources.

Tension in the Gulf region has raised fears that an attack on Iran is becoming increasingly likely before President George Bush leaves office. The Sunday Times has learnt that up to five generals and admirals are willing to resign rather than approve what they consider would be a reckless attack.

“There are four or five generals and admirals we know of who would resign if Bush ordered an attack on Iran,” a source with close ties to British intelligence said. “There is simply no stomach for it in the Pentagon, and a lot of people question whether such an attack would be effective or even possible.”

A British defence source confirmed that there were deep misgivings inside the Pentagon about a military strike. “All the generals are perfectly clear that they don’t have the military capacity to take Iran on in any meaningful fashion. Nobody wants to do it and it would be a matter of conscience for them.

“There are enough people who feel this would be an error of judgment too far for there to be resignations.”

A generals’ revolt on such a scale would be unprecedented. “American generals usually stay and fight until they get fired,” said a Pentagon source. Robert Gates, the defence secretary, has repeatedly warned against striking Iran and is believed to represent the view of his senior commanders.

The threat of a wave of resignations coincided with a warning by Vice-President Dick Cheney that all options, including military action, remained on the table.

One of the authors of this this piece is Michael Smith of Downing Street Minutes fame. It looks like this is a real leak from real malcontents. You might remember that I thought Robert Gates was the best nominee that we were going to get for Defense Secretary and that we shouldn't waste our time opposing him. I thought his appointment was a defeat for the neo-conservatives and I didn't want to screw it up by quibbling over his memory defense in the Iran-Contra affair. He wasn't involved in Iran-Contra, he just knew about it and fudged his testimony over when he knew. Lying to Congress should preclude you from ever working in government again, but these are extraordinary times. And it looks like Gates has stood up to the Vice-President and, along with chairman of the Joint Chiefs Peter Pace, he has empowered reasonable army generals to feel they can speak up (at least privately).

It looks like we need to start reading the British papers each morning before we read our own. They are getting all the scoops and propaganda now.



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Despite growing international concern about Iran's nuclear program and its regional ambitions, most U.S. intelligence shared with the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency has proved inaccurate, and none has led to significant discoveries inside Iran, diplomats here said...

"Since 2002, pretty much all the intelligence that's come to us has proved to be wrong," said a senior diplomat at the atomic energy agency.


FROM: LA Times and SF Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/02/25/MNGGKOAR681.DTL&typ e=politics
by hass (hassani1387@yahoo.com) on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:40:05 AM EST
The version in the LA Times continues for two pages. Among the more interesting reminders are that Bush battled back at ElBaradei when he reported to the UN that the the Niger documents were forgeries.

It bothers me that the CIA is blamed for providing the bad intel, without going into the shadow groups set up by Cheney and Rumsfeld that went out to "fix the intelligence and facts...around the policy."

The CIA still faces harsh criticism for its prewar intelligence errors on Iraq. No one here argues that U.S. intelligence officials have fallen this time for crudely forged documents or pushed shoddy analysis. IAEA officials, who openly challenged U.S. assessments that Saddam Hussein was developing a nuclear bomb, say the Americans are much more cautious in assessing Iran.

Among other subjects brought up by the authors, Bob Drogin and Kim Murphy, is the subject of more arms flowing into Lebanon, just discussed, BTW, by Sy Hersh on Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room.


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by Books Alive on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 12:31:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Even if the generals and admirals resign, Bush and Cheney will simply find ones that will support it.

The aftermath of the surge plan should have displayed to all of us that this President simply won't tolerate dissent from those he feels whose job description is "make my plans happen."

In the end, Gates did nothing to stop the surge.  In the end, he'll go along with the bombing of Iran, even if it's nuclear...this is why the generals are really talking resignation, they know that they have 3 choices now:

  1. Resignation.

  2. Bomb Iran conventionally and risk triggering an Iranian army backlash that will result in a staggeringly decisive military defeat that will kill thousands of our troops and ignite a regional war.

  3. Using tactical nuclear weapons that will kill millions to stop the Iranian army, turning the world against America to the point where a third world war may be inevitable.

I have to applaud these men for facing this and taking the first option...but somebody in the Pentagon will eventually be found who is willing to risk choices 2 or 3.
by Zandar1 on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 11:18:44 AM EST
But a resignation of top generals would be unprecedented.  It's not quite a mutiny, but it's tantamount to it.  Sure, Bush would eventually find generals who would follow the orders (and we should be glad of that--we don't want the military to have a veto over civilian control).  But Bush would lose even the paltry political support that he has.  Impeachment would be weeks away.
by rae on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 12:13:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
...all a bunch of resignations will do is reinforce the "Hey, I'm right because I'm the decider!" worldview that exists at the top of BushCo.

"You can trust the government. Just ask a NATIVE AMERICAN!"
by bluewolverine on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 12:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It looks like we need to start reading the British papers each morning before we read our own. They are getting all the scoops and propaganda now.

Or listen to the BBC for news. Most of their content streams online these days, making it accessible far beyond the reach of the intended audience (unless, as in the case of the World Service, the intended audience is "everybody.") Plus, they cover stories that the American press is too busy covering missing white girls to be able to bother with, especially if the story deals with Africa or parts of Asia where we aren't shooting at people.

Handy dandy links:

BBC Radio main page

BBC World Service

BBC Radio Five -- this channel seems to be more domestically oriented (yeah, big surprise) and has quite a bit of sport to it

BBC Radio Four -- "Intelligent speech," whatever that may entail

There are also other regional broadcasters (for Wales, Ulster, Scotland, and everywhere from Newcastle to Cornwall) that can be reached through the main page above. I will admit that I tend to stick primarily to the World Service with side trips to BBC 7 when they're doing some of my old favourites (like the Goon Show, or dramatizations of Terry Pratchett novels). The World Service is an old comfortable habit, picked up in my youth when I got my first shortwave receiver, and I've been going to them for news for years.

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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 01:44:18 PM EST
Until Americans suffer war on their own territory, they will continue to turn to shallow entertainments. I think war is the ultimate wake-up call. That's why the Europeans are so much more literate politically. They know the cost of ignorance far too well.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 02:06:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I read the London morning papers just before bed. I had this story in my blog posted last night.

Seriously. There's a major constitutional crisis brewing over Iran. And if the people don't speak up and make their voices heard, those who oppose this will feel we don't have their back and may cave to Bush.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 01:54:46 PM EST


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