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by Steven D
Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 06:44:58 AM EST

Senator Patrick Leahy laid down a marker yesterday. Karl Rove and others have to testify before his committee, or face subpoenas. The White House appears ready to refuse and thereby force a legal battle over the issue of executive privilege:

WASHINGTON, March 18 — The Democratic senator leading the inquiry into the dismissal of federal prosecutors insisted Sunday that Karl Rove and other top aides to President Bush must testify publicly and under oath, setting up a confrontation between Congress and the White House, which has said it is unlikely to agree to such a demand.

... Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, seemed to rule out [private testimony by Rove before the Committee] on Sunday. He said his committee would vote Thursday on whether to issue subpoenas for Mr. Rove as well as Harriet E. Miers, the former White House counsel, and William K. Kelley, the deputy White House counsel.

“I do not believe in this ‘We’ll have a private briefing for you where we’ll tell you everything,’ and they don’t,” Mr. Leahy said on “This Week” on ABC, adding: “I want testimony under oath. I am sick and tired of getting half-truths on this.”

Sick and tired of half truths and lies? Aren't we all, Senator. Aren't we all.

(cont.)

The White House is still playing the delay game, claiming Presidential counselor Fred Fielding will get back to Congress on Tuesday with an answer on testimony. Don't be surprised if that answer is a flat "No." At best it will be some sort of compromise proposal in which Rove agrees to testify without being put under oath, or in which he and others will answer written questions from the Committee. I doubt the Bush administration is prepared to simply accept full public hearings before Leahy's Committee, or before any House Committee, either.

Here's why:

Dan Bartlett, counselor to Mr. Bush, has said it is “highly unlikely” that the president would waive executive privilege to allow his top aides to testify publicly. One Republican strategist close to the White House, speaking on the condition of anonymity so as not to appear to be representing the administration, said: “No president is going to let their senior staff assistant to the president go testify. Forget that. They might agree to do an informal interview, but they’ll never testify.”

That last part is pure bullshit. Lot's of Presidents have agreed to allow key members of their staff to testify to Congress. Think back to the Iran-Contra scandal. John Poindexter, Reagan's National Security Advisor and Lt. Col. Ollie North, both testified under oath before Congress, while the Independent Counsel, Lawrence Walsh was in the process of investigating both of them in connection with potential violations of the law.

While Presidents since Jefferson have long held that they may claim an "executive privilege" to prevent Congress from requiring testimony or documents, the legality of that doctrine is somewhat ambiguous. It's not mentioned in the Constitution, and proponents can argue, at best, that such a privilege arises implicitly from the "separation of powers" doctrine. Whatever it's scope, it is not an absolute privilege, and has been rejected by the Supreme Court in a number of cases, most famously in United States v. Nixon.

Since the issue before Leahy's committee is whether the White House abused the appointment power of the President to either obstruct ongoing prosecutions of Republican officials by US Attorneys, and/or to gin up additional indictments against Democratic officials that the current US Attorneys had not deemed appropriate, I tend to believe that the privilege in this case would be denied. However, Bush is almost certain to require Congress to seek resolution of the issue in the courts, which means ultimately a decision must come from a Supreme Court in which seven of the nine Justices have been appointed by Republicans. Of those, four of them, Alito, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas, can be assumed to be in Bush's corner on this question. The so-called "liberal" justices (Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg and Breyer) are likely to vote against Bush claim of executive privilege in this instance. So, it may all come down to how Justice Kennedy is feeling the day the case is argued.

Hopefully the Supreme Court will agree to hear any potential court case on an expedited basis. If not, Bush can probably string this out for much of the rest of his remaining term in office, preventing Rove and others from ever having to testify. Which means that impeachment (or the threat of impeachment charges in the House) may be the only real arrow Congress has in its arsenal to reign Bush in.



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Well like Donald trump.  After listening to Trump on CNN the other day, I note at least two things.

One, Don Trump has earned some admiration from me for being more politically with it than I ever realized before, and;

Two, if Donald trump feels this way and is willing to be so open about his anti-Bush feelings, that must truly indicate the near end of this failed theocratic, fascist, whatever administration!

by NG on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 07:46:58 AM EST
Yes indeed. The thing I liked most about Trump's interview with Wolf Blitzer was the clear and emphatic way he described what a catastrophe the Iraq war has been, in terms of its effect on the Iraqis (he said he thought more than 400,000 had been unnecessarily killed) and in terms of its effect on how Americans are hated all around the world, even in England and Germany (and he gave personal testimony on that).

Americans never hear it that straight on TV, not even from the most vocal antiwar voices like John Murtha or Cindy Sheehan. I can't think of a single other example.

So I've always thought Trump was an asshole. But as I was joking to my wife yesterday, now he's "my" asshole.

by Arminius on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 08:01:08 AM EST
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I'm no big Trump fan, but he's not an idiot.  Bush has been a disaster for a lot of businesses unconnected to either the energy sector or the defense industry.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 07:58:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hopefully the Supreme Court will agree to hear any potential court case on an expedited basis. If not, Bush can probably string this out for much of the rest of his remaining term in office, preventing Rove and others from ever having to testify. Which means that impeachment (or the threat of impeachment charges in the House) may be the only real arrow Congress has in its arsenal to reign Bush in.

It is truly amazing to me the lengths this administration will go to avoid any semblance of accountability to the America people.  I was a just a teenager during the Nixon administration so I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to politics at the time.    But I have always had the impression that Nixon's crew kind of set the gold standard for secrecy in modern times.  I cannot even begin to imagine that they could hold a candle to the current administration.

Their total disregard for our government of checks and balances and exploitation of the "war on terror" for purposes of the consolidation of executive power has to be stopped.  I have been somewhat reluctant to consider impeachment efforts a necessity but I am truly beginning to wonder if it might not be the only real weapon remaining.

It wouldn't be as scary if we hadn't heard this from his very own lips.

    If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator,"
George Bush, December 18, 2000


"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
by MikeInOhio on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 08:14:07 AM EST
Also posted at that orange place

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 07:53:50 AM EST
Steve - well laid out argument. This needs to be sent to Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Hoyer, Clyburn and the Chairmen of both House and Senate Judiciary Committees.

For a week now I have been formulating arguments - though I do not do so as well as you.

Clearly this is an epic crises - a deliberate destruction of an independent Judiciary as mandated by our Forefathers.

Think about it! With the broad powers already in the PATRIOT Act and the Torture Bill (a/k/a Military Commissions Act), it has literally gotten to the point if you get a speeding ticket, or fail to pay a parking ticket you can be disappeared forever to some Gulag because a capricious judge or prosecutor  doesn't like the way you look, the color of your hair, your religion or any other arbitrary factor.

I frankly am scared to death that we have crossed the line into a full Fascist State. That is why I am so grateful when a knowledgeable attorney, like yourself, takes up the torch. Thanks Steve - we need you cloned times a thousand!

"The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking the most often and in the loudest voice." Theodore Roosevelt.

by Grandma M on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 08:07:52 AM EST
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To see a tongue-in-cheek visual of Alberto & Karl starring in the new White House presentation of "Justice Is Served"...link here:

www.thoughttheater.com

Daniel DiRito

by Daniel DiRito on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 02:51:33 PM EST
Her senate appearance on 3/19/07 televised on C-Span was very informative concerning the firing of Lam and the other USAs. A thorough step by step explanation without theatrics. I really understood the genuine concern about the dismissals. I'm beginning to think why impeach or ask for resignations when we should be aiming for indictments?
by donmyers on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 05:18:14 AM EST


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