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the wizard of kos

by skippybkroo
Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 11:50:54 PM EST

cross-posted at skippy as well as a literal cornucopia of other community blogs.

we know that several, if not a plurality of you out there, think that our contant harping on the blogroll purges of the big box blogs is not only boring and unseemingly, but it's just plain juvenile.

upyernoz specfically defends anybody who wants to shape their blogroll in any way they want. and that's a point that is not easily refuted. this is america, after all, and we believe that the founding fathers actually foresaw blogs and blogrolls in the future of this country when they added the first amendment to the constitution.

("i tell you, adams, all blockquotes are created equal!")

let us assume that our audience is right, and this meta talk about getting unceremoniously dumped off of big rolls is indeed boring and unseemly. we apologize for that part.

however, we maintain that discussion of the massive purges is anything but juvenile (well, maybe the name-calling part). our good buddy liberalcatnip has forwarded to us proof that inclusion on "high quality" blogrolls adds greatly to the chance that a blog post will be recognized by the google search engines.

-- proof comes after the jump --

from internet marketing and search engines optimization research and services (seo by the sea):

first step involved in deciding a quality score has the search engine obtaining information about a blog document. that information may be from:

the blog itself,
the post,
metadata from the blog, and/or;
one or more feeds associated with the blog document.

the next step is to identify positive indicators of quality:

popularity of the blog,
implied popularity of the blog,
inclusion of the blog in blogrolls,
existence of the blog in high quality blogrolls,
tagging of the blog,
references to the blog by other sources,
a pagerank of the blog, and;
other indicators could also be used.

what google says about each of those:

popularity

popularity could be based upon news aggregator subscriptions:

a blog document having a high number of subscriptions implies a higher quality for the blog document. also, subscriptions can be validated against "subscriptions spam" (where spammers subscribe to their own blog documents in an attempt to make them "more popular") by validating unique users who subscribed, or by filtering unique internet protocol (ip) addresses of the subscribers.

implied popularity

instead of explicit subscriptions, an "implied popularity" could be calculated from data collected from people searching on blog search, and examining the click stream of search results:

for example, if a certain blog document is clicked more than other blog documents when the blog document appears in result sets, this may be an indication that the blog document is popular and, thus, a positive indicator of the quality of the blog document.

inclusion of the blog in blogrolls

blogrolls are a dense collection of links to external sites (usually other blogs) in which the author/blogger is interested. a blogroll link to a blog document is an indication of popularity of that blog document, so aggregated blogroll links to a blog document can be counted and used to infer magnitude of popularity for the blog document.

existence of the blog in high quality blogrolls

a high quality blogroll is a blogroll that links to well-known or trusted bloggers. therefore, a high quality blogroll that also links to the blog document is a positive indicator of the quality of the blog document.

this is also based upon the assumption that a well-known or trusted blogger would not link to a "spamming blogger."

[emphasis, and righteous indignation, ours.]

the article goes on, discussing other factors such as tagging of the post, position of the post on the page, etc. it's very interesting and written so non-techie schlubs like us can understand it.

the bottom line is, there is no way that markos, being the i t guy that he is, didn't take into consideration the effect his roll purge would have on search engine result placement for liberal blogtopia (y!wctp!) in general.

and this brings us back to our original point which we tried to make back in february when the the fiasco began. if markos, and to a lesser extent, duncan, had only dumped skippy's humble site from their rolls, we would not be bringing the matter up over and over and over and over and over again.

we would have pouted, and swore to never mention their names again, and bought some dryer's slow churned cookies n' cream and complained to ourselves how little we get back in return for the literally minutes we spend, every day, copying and pasting other people's work from legitimate news organs and then making snarky remarks about it.

but what markos, and to a lesser extent, duncan, did was to injure liberal blogtopia (y!wctp!) as a whole in the arena of national media availability.

it was, among others, jon swift who pointed out that the conservative blogs are ironically quite liberal with their blogroll links. and, when google searching any number of stories, you may notice that more often than not there appears a higher number of conservative (vs. liberal) blogs in the search results.

now you know why. and now you know why we continue to make a fuss about the blogroll purge. it doesn't just hurt our feelings. it hurts liberal blogs' ability to be recognized in daily news searches. and techie markos would have had to have known this, if we can use the passive-aggressive voice.

we have, we are sure you are glad to hear, nothing left to say about this (tho we reserve the right to kvetch later on). we want to, however, announce the addition of liberal catnip to skippy's blogroll, in our continuing amnesty day program. remember, unlike some blogs, if you link to skippy, skippy will link to you!



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think about those words. can't see that they apply to dkos anymore. it's become about itself, yet tries to seduce by its "traffic"

it's tiresome and uninspired now. embracing its rules, and forsaking flexibility and/or originality.

It's a cyber walmart, where they try to pound you into thinking you have the best deal.

by Miss Devore on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 06:45:40 AM EST
Always low standards, always.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 08:41:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
but what markos, and to a lesser extent, duncan, did was to injure liberal blogtopia (y!wctp!) as a whole in the arena of national media availability.g

skippy, You are certainly free to rant on, but it should be clear that Markos isn't particularly interested in assisting the cause(s) of liberal blogtopia <y! yctp!).  Apparently forgotten are the lean early days of blogging from which we are just a few years removed.  BTW, I will be pleased to add you to my humble blogroll later today.  (Those damned filters here at work preclude access at the moment.)

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 07:58:52 AM EST
Kos?? Atrios??

They must have become aware of their diminishing popularity & decided to fight a rear-guard action by delinking the blogs that are actually read these days.

I ceased reading either of them months ago.

by sidewinder on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 08:34:41 AM EST
at the new and improved (well, newish any way) The Left End of the Dial v2.0. The more the merrier!

The Mahatma X Files. Peace With Attitude.
by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:26:47 AM EST
skippy is good to his word - he even linked to me, and my blog is in some little outpost in one of blogtopia's deserts.

The Mahatma X Files. Peace With Attitude.
by James Benjamin (the_bokononist at yahoo dot com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:28:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
is a fine blog and i'm happy to have you on my roll, james!
by skippybkroo (skippybkroo@aol.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:56:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry I can't delink from DailyKos--I don't have a blog!  

Meanwhile, it is all just sad.  Of course Markos has the right to do what he wants, its just sad that WHAT he wants is to be come a Powerline-style echo chamber for the Democratic Party machine.  

I'm sure this will enhance his Party advancement.  

I cannot say I am surprised, just sad.  He could have been better.  

by Gaianne on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:51:31 AM EST
What are THEY trying to teach us, teach us the meme,  the concept of self censorship.  This guy is a troll, that one "hijacked" the thread.  Fine, then blogs go the way of the dinosaur much like the dot com era.
Then all we have left is Anna Nicole and the destructive MSM.  I said it a year ago, pull the plug on the whole lot of it.
I really do want a survivalist compound way back in the woods.
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 06:20:00 AM EST
skippy-

markos gave every diarist their own blogroll, thereby immensely increasing the number of bloglinks emanating from his site.  i don't know how powerful those links are compared to the homepage, but it would seem he has greatly increased the potential for helping google rankings and taking himself out of the decision making process.  

in the interest of fairness, you might mention that, since it seems unlikely his intent was to hurt bloggers by jacking up their links by several orders of magnitude.  I, for example, used to have one link from there (two if you include my sig) and now I have 80 or something.  Overall, it hurt my traffic, but it probably helped by google ranking.  

by BooMan on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 09:25:10 AM EST
i hadn't thought about that.  however i do know that those individual blogrolls were added on about a week after the purge, as an afterthought (it seems).

i also am not sure how google qualifies links that are not on front pages.

by skippybkroo (skippybkroo@aol.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 11:22:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
but skippy, that was a major code rewrite...one I can't even afford to do, although I like the idea.

It wasn't done on a whim, or in a week.

by BooMan on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 11:26:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
k, as i've often stated, the last time i wrote software code was in basic, and i'm not exaggerating for comic effect here.

i didn't know it was major.  i retract my off-handed remark about the "after thought."

tho it seems to me that when kos dumped me everyone off the roll, he could have made an announcement then, citing that he was working on code to allow everyone their own blogroll.

not saying it was imperitive, simply congenial.

as to such importance as to the google search rankings, i have sent an email to mr. slawski, the author of the piece i cited, asking him specifically about the impact of deeper (ie, not front page) links.

i will report back here when/if he answers.

by skippybkroo (skippybkroo@aol.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 07:59:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How the member blogrolls hit the google page rankings remains to be seen. Maybe a technogeek will revisit that issue in a little while when the patterns begin to emerge.

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 ATsbcglobal DOT net) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 11:35:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I am always willing to do a link swap with liberal blogs. I even have a preview you can place in your side bar!

(it is available is much smaller sizes, btw)

Let me know and I will add you. Power to the people!!!!!!!!

by stormbear on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 09:40:31 AM EST
I took you up on that offer and added your daily preview button as well as adding you to my "Top Shelf" list. :)

My Blogrolls have been ever expanding since the very first time I saw John Swift's diary on the subject, and it has been growing even faster since skippy's diaries on this.

It is a topic that I have written on over and over again since about the 04 elections.

LINK DAMNIT!

How else are we going to seriously overtake the far-right-wingnuts in the search engine results? We have made some gains BUT we are still well behind them in this tactic.

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 ATsbcglobal DOT net) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:07:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just wanted to say I love your stuff - it's teh funny!!
by sidewinder on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 09:59:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Lunch break almost over...just a quick comment to say I'd still like to exchange links with anyone who's interested. And if you linked to the IBA and I haven't linked back yet, please let me know and I'll take care of that once I'm back at my home computer.
by Renee in Ohio on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:44:56 PM EST
Isn't more important to reward bloggers who are doing good work than worry about those who, in your judgement, are not doing good work?

It wasn't so long ago that we were just a collection of people pecking at our keyboards, now we are a non-trivial part of the Democratic coalition.

also, rather than blogrolls, it might be better to develop RSS readers, because the collective appeal of a group of blogs is likely to be greater than the sum of their current readers.

by AliceDem on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 01:35:01 PM EST
maybe...but i'm an idiot and i know how to operate links but i don't know squat about rss feeds.
by skippybkroo (skippybkroo@aol.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 08:01:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you don't need to know much, not hard to use Feedburner to build a public RSS reader
by AliceDem on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 12:28:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
From the party of diversity.
From the party of inclusiveness.
Death to kos
Death to the party.
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 04:02:03 PM EST


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