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War Funding Bills

by BooMan
Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 01:27:21 PM EST

Robert Byrd has put forward the Senate version of a supplemental appropriation for Iraq. It has slightly less money in it than the House version ($121.5 billion vs. $125 billion). It has nothing binding.

'United States troops should not be policing a civil war, and the current conflict in Iraq requires principally a political solution,'' states a copy of the draft bill, obtained by The Associated Press. Like the bill the Senate defeated, it would set a nonbinding goal of pulling out combat troops by March 31, 2008.

The Senate proposal also would urge the Iraqi government to meet certain benchmarks, such as disarming militias and amending the constitution to protect Sunni minorities.

It would set no consequences if the Iraqis fail to achieve those goals. Under the House bill, combat troops would have to begin coming home as early as this fall if the president cannot certify that the Iraqi government was making progress.

Both the House and Senate bills will see a vote on Thursday. The President has vowed to veto either of them. The Senate may not even pass Byrd's bill.

Senate Democrats have drafted a $121.5 billion war spending bill that would direct President Bush to begin bringing home troops from Iraq with the goal of ending U.S. combat missions there in just over a year.

The provision is similar to a resolution the Senate narrowly rejected last week. It failed on a 50-48 vote, falling 12 votes shy of the 60 needed to pass, after President Bush vowed to veto the legislation.

Has anything changed? Why, yes.

...some Republicans might have a tough time turning the proposal down because it is attached to a bill that provides much-needed funding for troops in combat, assistance for fishers and farmers, hurricane reconstruction and other popular spending projects.

Most progressives are dissatisfied with these appropriation bills because they provide funding for the war and do not provide anything binding that will force the end of the war. Some, like Armando, insist that no bill should even be offered. The Dems should just refuse to put any supplemental on the table. As we can see, that isn't happening. There will be votes on these bills tomorrow. That will put everyone in Congress on the record (except for St. McCain, who doesn't seem to cast votes anymore). And, we'll know where all the members stand.

I cannot say whether either bill will pass. It's possible, although I think unlikely, that both will pass. It's possible that neither will pass. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the House version passing and the Senate bill falling short of the 60 votes it needs to avoid a filibuster.

Then it will be back to the drawing board, weakening the bill (and/or adding pork) to gain more Republican support in the Senate. That's where we're headed, I think. But, if both bills pass and then can be reconciled in conference, the President will have to decide whether or not to veto the bill. He has said he will, but he might not.

If he does veto the bill, then I would join Armando in recommending that no further supplemental be put forward until the Republicans agree to binding terms.

At present, we should hope that Reid and Pelosi succeed in passing these bills. It will put everyone on the record, and it will force the President to back down on his veto threat or take responsibility for the lack of funding. The time to make a stand will come after the veto.

There was never a chance that Congress would refuse to provide supplemental funding. But there is still a chance that the supplemental funding will fail to pass or get vetoed. And, if it does pass, the Democrats can take up war-ending resolutions and other strategies as the year progresses.

Tomorrow will be an interesting day.



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the dems always screw up. Why the hell is there anything attached to the supplemental? It should be clean. Then there is no wiggle. Vote - then stand there and justify the vote!
 No balls at all, noballs at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 03:32:52 PM EST
if you haven't noticed, 'The Dems' do not act as one body.  The leadership is faced with a situation where they can do nothing without at least 10 Republican Senators, and they cannot pass what we would like even in the House because of conservative Dems.  The leadership can't make wishes in ponies.  Either they try to entice people into voting for the bill through various pork projects or they just pass whatever the Republicans want.

The other choice, Armando's choice, to not try to pass anything at all?  They don't have the votes to do that either, because their own caucus will go nuts.  

It is not 'The Dems' fault.  It is the fault of some Dems, and 10 Republican senators.

by BooMan on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 04:03:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This is the only way to go that might work, eventually. The Republicans just showed us how it's done a couple weeks ago.

Making this great effort to pass a supplemntal, adding all sorts of attractive pork to it, what kind of image does that create for the Democratic Party? Much of the country thought they had elected a Congress opposed to the occupation? Now we can't even find 40% of our Senators or Representatives who will stand up for that.

Let the Republicans do the dirty work of crafting a supplemntal occupation bill, then filibuster that. Simple, and great P.R.

In fact, I think the Democrats want Iraq as an issue in next year's elections. Cynicism triumphs, and it will hurt not help the Dems next year.

I'm important, and everyone else is too. G.K. Chesterton

by fairleft (fairleft(at)yahoo.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 04:50:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
as a rule, the majority party does not take a strategy of filibustering their own legislation.
by BooMan on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 08:59:40 PM EST
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 Hey Mr BOO- ya can't blame some of the dems and 10 goopers! It just don't work that way. Blame All of the dems. The small group of dems that has the guts and the balls to vote their conscience are the true defenders.Enough with the selective blame. The congress (house and senate) bot received a message last Nov.and really and truly the only reps that apparantly got the message were those folks that are willing to stand up and be counted. The rest will still be debating this shit on Jan 9, 08!
 Vote down the supplemental- the bastard is going to veto it no matter what gets passed. Vote it down and then bring up the "bring em home" proposal and keep doing it and attaching it to every single bill that comes up for a vote. Show the "people" that one party has the guts and the balls to show the world that there are some in this country that understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 08:17:08 PM EST
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do you know what makes me sad/sick?  That they have to load up bills with tons of pork to get them to pass.  It is bipartisan cowardice/selfishness.

Latino Político v3.0 has launched!
by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail dot com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 03:58:08 PM EST
But AIPAC showed its true power -- and its continuing ability to steer American Mideast policy in a disastrous direction -- when a group of conservative and pro-Israel Democrats succeeded in removing language from a military appropriations bill that would have required Bush to get congressional approval before using military force against Iran.

The pro-Israel lobby's victory on the Iran bill is almost unbelievable. Even after the nation repudiated the Iraq war decisively in the 2006 midterms, even after it has become clear that the Bush administration's Middle East policy is severely unbalanced toward Israel and has damaged America's standing in the world, Congress still cannot bring itself to stand up to the AIPAC line.

Can Americas Jews Unlug AIPAC? by Gary Kamiya Salon.com- Mar 20 2007

by hass (hassani1387@yahoo.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 09:35:10 PM EST


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