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So, How Does it End?

by clammyc
Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 09:08:40 PM EST

The military chiefs responsible for implementing Bush’s half assed plan think that if we don’t “win” in six months then we face a Vietnam style collapse:
The main obstacles confronting Gen Petraeus's team are:

* Insufficent numbers of troops on the ground

* A "disintegrating" international coalition

* An anticipated upsurge in violence in the south as the British leave

* Morale problems as casualties rise

* A failure of political will in Washington and/or Baghdad

"The scene is very tense. They are working round the clock. Endless cups of tea with the Iraqis," the former senior administration official said. "But they're still trying to figure out what's the plan. The president is expecting progress. But they're thinking, what does he mean? The plan is changing every minute, as all plans do."

The biggest hurdle? Not enough troops:
According to the US military's revised counter-insurgency field manual, FM 3-24, authored by Gen Petraeus, the optimum "troop-to-task" ratio for Baghdad requires 120,000 US and allied troops in the city alone. Current totals, even including often unreliable Iraqi units, fall short of that number. The deficit is even greater in conflict areas outside Baghdad.
I’ll take this moment to point out, yet again, that both General Shinseki and Secretary of State Powell wanted hundreds of thousands of more troops at the outset of the invasion. And even McCain and Frederick Kagan wanted more than 20,000 troops for this escalation.

Violence is getting worse and worse in Iraq every day. Another $100 billion in funding requests sits before the Senate Appropriations Committee as we speak. An interesting idea that could restart all of Iraq’s state run businesses (and put around 150,000 Iraqis back to work almost immediately) would only cost $100 million – which is less money than will be spent by the time I wake up tomorrow – is apparently being held up because of politics here in Washington.

republican Senators, Congressmen and women, talking meatsticks are basically DARING the Democrats to repeal the AUMF or cut funding – they know that the public wants it, but that the Democrats don’t have the guts votes. And guess who looks bad here?

People like Speaker Pelosi are put in a bad position here, because she has to deal with the attacks from republicans while trying to do the right thing:

"We're listening to our colleagues about what form they want that supplemental to take," Pelosi said. But, sensitive to the GOP attacks, the speaker said: "We will fund the troops as long as they are in harm's way."
And as long as more and more funding is approved – without conditions (real conditions), the troops will continue to be in harm’s way.

The new Director of National Intelligence, Mike McConnell said yesterday that the violence in Iraq is now “self sustaining”. There is dissent in the Senate on what to do about the AUMF, and now debate has been postponed until a debate on the 9/11 Commission recommendations will be held:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) reiterated yesterday that his members have not settled on an approach to reining in the raging conflict in Iraq, despite Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden (D-Del.) and Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) openly pursuing a plan to replace the 2002 congressional authorization of force with a narrower mission.
Being against the war is great. Being outspoken about it is better. Being honest about it is also better. But drawing a line in the sand is what Americans want. Every day brings worse news. More death. More destruction. More breakdown of the political process.

We can’t stay there much longer. That much is pretty much agreed on. But with the breakdown of the “coalition of the willing”, the saber rattling about Iran, the growing dissatisfaction with the civil war-turning-to-genocide in Iraq, the resurgence of the Taliban and al Qaeda, the rapidly deteriorating situation in Afghanistan – something has to give.

The only question is – how does it end?



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It continues like it has been until 2 or 3 times as many Americans are dying, then we finally see more spine from congressmen pushing for an end to this endless cycle. Not that Bush will do it, so he either gets removed from office early or the pressure builds until the next President has no choice but to retreat back to those permanent bases and wait out the civil war. Of course, that's the best case scenario. Worst case, the violence spreads until it finally leads to nuclear exchanges between various countries and we all die.
by Shalimar (srbaxley@yahoo.com) on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 09:27:59 PM EST
My money's still on a Gulf of Tonkin style incident that "forces" air strikes.

The only real question in my mind is whether or not nuclear weapons will be used when we do, there's ample evidence that the only way attacking Iran will not lead to the Iranian army flooding into Iraq is if we "take the drastic but necessary step" of using tactical nuclear weapons.

How does it end?  Something between a war crimes tribunal for W and Cheney and a nuclear holocaust.  Sadly, that's quite a large range of possibilities, and all of them involve the United States being considered the biggest rogue state of them all for generations.

by Zandar1 on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 09:46:05 PM EST
The stupidity of Pelosi's remark about 'funding troops as long as they are in harms way' borders on insanity and creates the perfect Catch 22 cycle of continued funding.  Maybe everyone elected to Congress should be required to take a crash course in coherent logical thinking before they can open their mouths and speak.

As for how this all ends......well I have nothing but bad to worse case scenarios running through my head.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:17:26 PM EST
because that is what our representatives want.  Quoting Karen Kwiatkowski
While we as American citizens do not like being lied to, particularly being lied to into a stupid quagmire that makes no sense. We don't' like being lied to. Congress doesn't like being lied to. However, many in Congress, and certainly in this administration agree, and this is Democrats and Republicans, like the idea that we have gone into Iraq, we have built four mega bases, they are complete. Most of the money we gave to Halliburton was for construction and completion of these bases. We have probably, of the 150,000, 160,000 troops we have in Iraq probably 110,000 of those folks are associated with one of those four mega bases. Safely ensconced behind acres and acres of concrete. To operate there indefinitely, no matter what happens in Baghdad, no matter who takes over, no matter if the country splits into three pieces or it stays one. No matter what happens, we have those mega bases, and there's many in Congress and certainly in this administration, Republican and Democrat alike that really like that. Part of the reason I think that we went into Iraq was to reestablish a stronger foothold than we had in Saudi Arabia, but also a more economical, a more flexible, in terms of who we want to hit. If you want to hit Syria, can you do it from Iraq? Of course you can. And now you can do it from bases that will support any type of airplane you want, any number of troops in barracks. I mean we can do things from Iraq. And this is what they wanted. So, yeah, we don't like being lied to. But quite frankly, many people in the Congress, and certainly this administration, when they call Iraq a success, they mean it, and this is why.

We're in Iraq to stay. And can we strike Iran from Iraq?  Well, I don't know if we'll do that next week, but we can.  



Don't Panic
by fourtytwo on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 11:00:52 PM EST
Military coup? The professionals get tired of their institution being trashed by amateur fantacists and the politicians are too scared to stop it. The people can't get the pols to do what they want, so they are happy. For awhile. Then we're all even more screwed.

BTW, all this happens sometime during the next (Democratic) administration.

Can It Happen Here?

by janinsanfran on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 11:41:23 PM EST


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