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Tin Foil Hat Time Again

by Steven D
Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 04:44:18 PM EST

What is in the classified portions of the Executive order regarding continuance of the federal government after a terrorist attack that the Bush administration doesn't want a member of the House Homeland Security Committee to see? (h/t to Pacific Views via Avedon):

WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.

As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.

On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED. [...]

Homeland Security Committee staffers told his office that the White House initially approved his request, but it was later quashed. DeFazio doesn't know who did it or why.

"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."

Now maybe this is just the Bush administration responding in its typical assholish way to a request made by a Democratic member of Congress. Then again, maybe it's something else. As Congressman DeFazio is quoted in the Oregonian report as saying, maybe the people who believe in a conspiracy are right.

(cont.)

After all, this National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (NSPD 51/HSPD-20), dated May 9, 2007 ("NSPD"), already grants the President the sole power to determine what constitutes a "Catastrophic Emergency" sufficient to trigger the implementation of its provisions, since the President is designated as the person responsible for the continuation of "Constitutional Government" in the event of such an emergency. More troubling, perhaps, is that "Catastrophic Emergency" is a term that is defined in very vague and unspecific language in the NSPD:

"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions ...

What constitutes "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is not specified in the unclassified portion of the NSPD. And the language regarding "any incident, regardless of location ..." is also problematic. Does that refer to "incidents" which occur overseas, outside the territory of the United States? Could an attack on one of our embassies constitute an incident triggering this order if enough people die in the attack? Presumably all these issues are to be determined at the discretion of the President, since the document itself gives so little guidance as to when and under what circumstances it applies.

The NSPD revokes a previous Presidential Directive entitled "Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"" that had been issued by President Clinton in 1998. It is not clear what about the previous executive order has been changed or updated, or why the Bush administration waited until May 2007 to replace the prior executive order regarding these matters. Perhaps the changes from the Clinton executive order are trivial and insignificant; merely a matter of the Bush administration preferring their own order to one issued by the former Democratic administration which is so despised by the Bush White House.

On the other hand, if that is the case, why not allow members of Congress, and particularly those members sitting on the Homeland Security Committee, to review the classified portions of the order? I can't imagine that Republicans in Congress would have stood for President Clinton refusing them access to the classified portions of his Presidential Directive on this subject. They would have raised "holy hell" about any such attempt at denying them that access, and rightfully so.

Of course, considering this Administration's record on lying to Congress and the American people about any number of topics, from the use of torture, the operation of secret prisons in foreign countries, their programs of illegal surveillance of US citizens, to the phony intelligence they used to justify the Iraq War, it's hard not to be suspicious of their motives in this instance. If they have nothing to hide regarding the provisions of this executive order, why act as if there were?



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would one expect anything less in a dictatorship?
by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 04:50:43 PM EST
The real dope on them hats.
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 04:58:49 PM EST
The only problem is to find out what the object is and who is involved before they have to opportunity to commit a(nother) crime.

Why exactly has the name "Bush crime family" caught on so well even among independents?

Why are there serious lawyers talking about a post-Bush investigation using the powers of the RICO statute?

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

by TarheelDem (editor@thepartielion.com) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 06:27:18 PM EST
Believe it or not, I advocated this sometime ago....sheez  hows come so long for it to become rational now??!!
by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 06:47:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Steven D,
Maybe I didn`t get the memo, but I don`t understand why a directive on continuation of government, would have top secret clauses.
What kind of examples of the possible need for this secrecy, could you tell me about.
It`s a serious question. I understand we might not need to know where the undisclosed locations are, but how can one hide transparency in a democratic republic.

The difference between theists and atheists is that the atheists don't set the theists on fire for refusing to agree with them.
by KNUCKLEHEAD on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 06:46:41 PM EST
just take it out on Highway 61:

Now the rovin' gambler he was very bored
He was tryin' to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61.

lTMF'sA



lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 07:05:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Definitely one of my all time favorites.
I have thousands of red, white & blue shoe strings & a thousand telephones that won`t ring.[para]
Revisiting highway 61 is cool.
I go back there often, just to see some of the crap they`re selling.

The difference between theists and atheists is that the atheists don't set the theists on fire for refusing to agree with them.
by KNUCKLEHEAD on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 12:19:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Oregonian

Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio said.

by mythmother (mythmother (at) gmail.com) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 06:52:51 PM EST
make that a double layer of foil:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/07/inspector-gener.html

Inspector General Confirms Probe of Rogue FBI Anti-Terror Office
By Ryan Singel July 19, 2007 | 2:52:48 PMCategories: Surveillance  

The Justice Department's Inspector General and the FBI are investigating an office that sent fake, emergency letters to telecoms requesting phone records, according to the Inspector General's office.  That office lacked the authority to request the records and did not apply for the subpoenas promised in the letters.

That information largely confirms a a Wired News story from last week, which revealed that top FBI officials told privacy groups that a criminal investigation of the office was underway and that individuals had been granted immunity.

But that couldn't happen here.

It just did.

Impeach. Now!

Steve Harrison for Congress, NY-13, Staten Island and Brooklyn, NY

by lutton on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 07:28:02 PM EST
The next logical step after a catastrophic emergency would be martial law and mass imprisonment, wouldn't it?
by CabinGirl on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 07:43:52 PM EST
color me obtuse..."regardless of location" meant to include the green zone in Baghdad, Kabul, the North Pole?
Just where does Chertoff's gut with all its feelings reside?

No Hillary, you were outspent by the people not the Obama campaign.
by mainsailset (rideback@gmail.com) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 08:37:42 PM EST
While I don't for one second doubt that this administration would attempt to seize dictatorial powers, I also don't think the people -- of "We, the People" fame -- would stand for it. There would be immediate armed resistance, including this mostly-pacifist liberal.

More importantly though, Bush's martial law would be a paper tiger. Who the fuck is going to enforce it -- the National Guard? Puh-leeze.

On the up side, if Bush did try such a stunt, it would make it much easier to outlaw the Republican Party in the aftermath. Everyone who supported his attempted coup d'etat would, of course, be guilty of high treason.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 at 11:23:18 PM EST
Which is why I think that there's going to have be an "attack" big enough, obviously terrorist on the surface, with enough casualties for the American people to say "OK, screw it, we're scared out of our minds, let's kill us some raghead sunzabitches, yeah we'll put up with martial law and mass relocation of Muslims and all that."

I mean, we're talking large chunks of a decent-sized American city rendered radioactive for the next 150 years, some real Tom Clancy level shit here.

Naturally, the retaliatory strike will be brutal, and the backlash against the "forces who wanted us to surrender" will be worse still.  We'll be scared right back into September 12th mode.

The one thing this administration has been frightfully competent at is the dismantling of the Constitution.  The next attack may finish it off unless we stop Bush now.

by Zandar1 on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 07:35:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"sunzabitches" scores points.
Though the seriousness of your comment comes through loud & clear,
I had to laugh at the way you characterized the followers of fear.

The difference between theists and atheists is that the atheists don't set the theists on fire for refusing to agree with them.
by KNUCKLEHEAD on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 12:30:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
More importantly though, Bush's martial law would be a paper tiger. Who the fuck is going to enforce it -- the National Guard? Puh-leeze.
Blackwater, that's who.
by quake on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:36:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The same national guard who were fighting in Iraq while blackwater was making long green, would not be enforcing the false king`s edict.
They`d be too busy kicking some blackwater ass.

The difference between theists and atheists is that the atheists don't set the theists on fire for refusing to agree with them.
by KNUCKLEHEAD on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 12:35:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, the National Guard would quite cheerfully shoot protesters, students, Quakers or anybody else deemed an enemy of the state because they refused to bow to the Chimperator or opposed his constant war-mongering. Being peaceful, unresisting, or unarmed makes no difference if you are perceived as an obstacle.

They follow orders.  After a tour in Iraq, those presently serving are used to killing women and children when ordered to do so. In the American Civil War, it was brother against brother.  Historically, people in uniform kill when they are told to do so... and sometimes when they aren't told.

There is an Executive Order (last October 17th) giving Bush absolute control over the National Guard upon his say-so.  

A private army.

by hauksdottir on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 04:39:39 PM EST
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