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Iraq, Democrats and the YouTube Debate

by Steven D
Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:09:13 PM EST

There were a number of things I liked about last night's debate. The most important was that the questions were not asked by media pundits or anchors, who all too often allow their provincial and warped Beltway "conventional wisdom" to determine which questions are put to the candidates and which questions (and issues) are ignored. Instead, the questions were asked by ordinary Americans, who didn't pussyfoot around the issues, or slant their questions toward a reflexively pro-conservative agenda. Which is why we had this exchange last night, perhaps the most significant question that was asked and answered all evening. Here's the question:

QUESTION: Thank you for taking my question. The 2006 election gave the Democrats in office a mandate to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Since that time, 800 of our military service members have died there.

As the mother of an American soldier deploying to Iraq for a second time, I would like to know if the perception is true that the Democrats are putting politics before conscience.

How many more soldiers must die while these political games continue in our government?

Is the reason why we are still in Iraq and seemingly will be for some time due to the Democrats' fear that blame for the loss of the war will be placed on them by the Republican spin machine?

And here's how various candidates answered this very serious question from a soldier's mother:

(cont.)

Senator Clinton went first:

CLINTON: Well, I want to thank her and her son for their service and their sacrifice. When we send a soldier or Marine to combat in Iraq, we really are sending a family.

And since the election of 2006, the Democrats have tried repeatedly to win Republican support with a simple proposition that we need to set a timeline to begin bringing our troops home now.

I happen to agree that there is no military solution, and the Iraqis refuse to pursue the political solutions. In fact, I asked the Pentagon a simple question: Have you prepared for withdrawing our troops? In response, I got a letter accusing me of being unpatriotic; that I shouldn't be asking questions.

Well, one of the problems is that there are a lot of questions that we're asking but we're not getting answers from the Bush administration.

Senator Clinton gave a classic non-answer. First, she thanks the mother and her son for their service. Let me be the first to say that I've had it with politicians uttering these self-serving statements of praise for our troops' sacrifices. Nothing could be more meaningless than to praise someone for risking their lives for a lie while you, a powerful Senator, with the ability to take the lead on getting those troops home, does nothing of substance to achieve that goal.

Then Clinton turns the question on its head, making it all about her. "Look what I've done," she says, I asked a question of the Defense Department and they were mean to me!" Frankly, I don't care that she was attacked by some neoconservative second banana with an office at the Pentagon. Was she wrongly attacked? Sure. Was it politically motivated? No doubt. But it had no bearing on what this mother wanted to know.

It was simply shameless self-promotion by Senator Clinton to respond in this fashion. She turned a mother's honest request for an explanation as to why nothing has been accomplished by a Democratic Congress to end the war since January, into a blatant attempt to garner sympathy, while also portraying herself as someone working hard to end the war, when nothing could be further from the truth. Being attacked by the Bush administration is not evidence of anything Clinton has done. Its simply standard operating procedure by the Republicans. A day doesn't go by when one of them is attacking Senator Clinton or her husband for one thing or another. To imply, as Clinton did, that such attacks establish her anti-war bona fides is beyond ludicrous, and actually more than a little bit insulting to our collective intelligence.

Yet, this is all that the leading contender fro the Democratic nomination felt was needed to answer this question. Claim that the Democrats failure to end the war was all the fault of the Republicans and the Bush administration, and had nothing to do with her or her compatriots in the Democratic Congressional leadership.

Congressman Dennis Kucinich gave a very different response:

KUCINICH: If you're not going to answer the question, I'm going to answer the mother that troop -- question.

The answer to your question, ma'am, is: Yes, it is politics. The Democrats have failed the American people. When we took over in January, the American people didn't expect us to give them a Democratic version of the war. They expected us to act quickly to end the war.

And here's how we can do it. It doesn't take legislation. That's a phony excuse to say that you don't have the votes. We appropriated $97 billion a month ago. We should tell President Bush, no more funds for the war, use that money to bring the troops home, use it to bring the troops home.

(APPLAUSE)

And, Anderson, right, now if people want to send that message to Congress...

The contrast between Clinton's weasely and condescending non-answer and Kucinich's blunt confession of the Democrats' failure could not be more apparent. Kucinich doesn't blame the Republicans, and with good reason. We (and surely the Democratic Leaders) already knew that the GOP members of Congress would oppose their strategy, and that Bush would veto any attempt to establish a "timeline" to withdraw from Iraq. That approach, as we have seen, was dead on arrival, as Kucinich rightly implies.

Instead, he points to the only viable strategy the Democrats have to force Bush and the Republicans to compromise: defund the war. Simply fail to approve legislation for any monies other than those necessary to withdraw our forces. Bush can veto legislation, but he can't force Congress to give him the funds to continue the occupation. Senator Clinton knows that as well as you or I or Congressman Kucinich does. She knew (or should have known) that the Democratic plan was a non-starter, but she still refuses to tell the American people why she and the leaders of the House and Senate refused to employ the only strategy that had any chance of success to change the course of the Iraq war, a war which 7 out of 10 Americans want ended and the troops brought home.

Perhaps Kucinich, as a long shot candidate at best, feels freer to acknowledge the truth that the Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. They could have chosen to defund the war, but backed away from that option before ever seriously considering it. And his response to this debate question makes clear that he strongly believes the only reason the war continues is because the Democrats see a political advantage in allowing the war to continue. They will seek to tar Republicans, and by extension, the Republican Presidential nominee in 2008, with Bush's war of choice, rather than take any real action to do the right thing now.

It's a sad state of affairs that such marginal candidates as Mr. Kucinich and former Senator Gravel are the ones whose position on the war most closely match the position of most Democratic voters. The front runners continue to present themselves as anti-war, yet they are also unwilling to adopt the only approach that might lead to ending US involvement in this destructive conflict, one which undermines our national security even as it bleeds billions of dollars out of our economy each week. Indeed, Clinton has specifically stated she will keep troops in Iraq after their combat role is completed, and both Obama and Edwards have suggested at various times that they may also leave a "residual force" in Iraq. And none of them has clearly spoken out against further US military action against Iran.

And that is the real shame of our current political scene, one which the debate last night highlights. The acknowledged front runners, the candidates with most money, the largest organizations and the greatest establishment support are still afraid to follow where democratic voters desire to lead them: out of Iraq, completely and unequivocally.



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Steven, this is exactly what pisses me off about the major Democratic candidates.  They are not being honest, they are simply playing politics.  The American people are way ahead of them on this shit.  You don't get poll numbers like we've seen in last few days concerning the feelings on the war by pure happenstance.

The Democrats have the chance to not only end this war but to place their party in a position to be dominant for  years to come.  So if they want to play politics why not do it in a way that benefits everyone.  Clinton is not alone in giving such a weaselly answer to questions such as this.  But as an apparent front runner, I would expect a little bit more honest and forthright answer than the one she gave.

Bravo for Kucinich for calling her and everyone else on this type of shit.  She should be ashamed.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:25:41 PM EST
Kudos to Kucinich.  A direct answer to a question, fascinating concept.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 04:08:02 PM EST
I guess we can begin to understand why Kucinich is universally dismissed by the pundits and the Dem nabobs alike as a "nuisance candidate". He's the mouse nibbling patiently away at the candy facade of establishment lies.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 06:16:30 PM EST
slightly off-topic, but we can all a little easier today.
by BooMan on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:27:00 PM EST
Agreed, but were not out of the woods yet so long as Cheney is the Veep.

Obama is a Patriot
by Steven D on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:30:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
According to multiple sources, Wurmser will leave the office of the vice president (OVP) in August for the private sector, where he will start a risk-consulting business.

Is it just me or does anyone else find this a strangely ironic choice for this guy?

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:33:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
but we can all a little easier today.

not me.  i a little harder.  everyday i a little harder.

ask mrs. skippy.

by skippybkroo (skippybkroo@aol.com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:57:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No.
I was going to but other recent news led me to believe that cleaning my gun was a more useful way to spend the time.  As far a lowly American peasants asking questions of these most highest of pontiffs, I see this as far too little, far too late.  It will of course come down to Hillary or Mitt and a choice akin to Satan or Satan's 2nd highest minion.  The industry which is politics has deemed it so.  Change, an end to the talking points of a police state, the enviornment and energy or "free" trade be damned.  Just like Nov 8 change is but a myth.
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:54:24 PM EST
Coming to a theater near you (Friday)

If you want me to go back to the place that I was born, tell your corporations to leave my country (Leon Gieco)
by cruz del sur (nicodk@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 05:20:38 PM EST
Powerful trailer

Obama is a Patriot
by Steven D on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 05:26:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can't wait to see it.

If you want me to go back to the place that I was born, tell your corporations to leave my country (Leon Gieco)
by cruz del sur (nicodk@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 06:51:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's going to blow some minds, for sure.
by Natasha Chart (natasha.the at gmail dot com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 07:09:06 PM EST
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