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Impeach or It's Armageddon

by BooMan
Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 12:50:38 AM EST

Andrew Sullivan in the Times of London:

Some cynics argue that George Bush is playing a small, domestic game of keeping the ordeal [Iraq] going so that the next Democratic president can be accused of losing Iraq – not him. But this theory, while not totally implausible, does not quite fit with the messianic ambitions of the president and apocalyptic fears of Vice-President Dick Cheney.

Okay, so Andrew Sullivan doesn't have any special insight. But the word has definitely gotten out that Dick Cheney is frothing at the mouth to make more evil. There's not a constant amount of evil in the world, you know. It's not a zero-sum game. Cheney makes evil where evil did not previously exist. And his brush-clearing sidekick is too eager to go along. Here's the news coming out today.

Helene Cooper in the New York Times:

Mr. Cheney and hawks in his office, however, have become increasingly frustrated with the slow pace of progress in curbing Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Allies of Mr. Cheney continue to say publicly that the United States should include a change in Iran’s leadership as a viable policy option, and have argued, privately, that the United States should encourage Israel to consider a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Julian Borger and Ian Black in the Guardian:

The US has called a meeting of major powers in Washington next Friday to discuss Iran's defiance of UN resolutions calling for its suspension of uranium enrichment. It comes amid signs that the Bush administration is running out of patience with diplomatic efforts to curb the nuclear programme. Hawks led by the vice-president, Dick Cheney, are intensifying their push for military action, with support from Israel and privately from some Sunni Gulf states.

"Washington is seriously reviewing plans to bomb not just nuclear sites, but oil sites, military sites and even leadership targets. The talk is of multiple targets," said Mr Cronin. "In Washington there is very serious discussion that this is a window that has to be looked at seriously because there is only six months to 'do something about Iran' before it will be looked at as a purely political issue."

Philip Sherwell and Tim Shipman in the U.K. Telegraph:

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

Not convinced? How about this?

Wesley Clark in the Washington Post:

Think another war can't happen? Think again. Unchastened by the Iraq fiasco, hawks in Vice President Cheney's office have been pushing the use of force.

There is still a possibility that this is all part of a game to pressure Iran to do anything from backing off in Iraq to abandoning their civilian nuclear power research. But with rhetoric this heated, things can quickly spiral out of control. Consider this:

Iran's leaders have so far shown every sign of relishing the confrontation. The supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, declared yesterday that American policies had failed in the Middle East and warned: "I am certain that one day Bush and senior American officials will be tried in an international court for the tragedies they have created in Iraq."

That doesn't sound like a man that is thinking about backing down. The U.K. Telegraph article has some alleged inside baseball.

Miss Rice's bottom line is that if the administration is to go to war again it must build the case over a period of months and win sufficient support on Capitol Hill.

The Sunday Telegraph has been told that Mr Bush has privately promised her that he would consult "meaningfully" with Congressional leaders of both parties before any military action against Iran on the understanding that Miss Rice would resign if this did not happen.

If you read through the publicly available evidence against Iran (varying from their nuclear ambitions and capabilities to their malevolent role in Iraq) the evidence is as weak or weaker than the case that was made against Iraq.

These articles attempt to address this problem, but they really just show that Bush and Cheney hope to instigate a war.

Philip Sherwell and Tim Shipman in the U.K. Telegraph:

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

A prime target would be the Fajr base run by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds Force in southern Iran, where Western intelligence agencies say armour-piercing projectiles used against British and US troops are manufactured.

Under the theory - which is gaining credence in Washington security circles - US action would provoke a major Iranian response, perhaps in the form of moves to cut off Gulf oil supplies, providing a trigger for air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and even its armed forces.

Julian Borger and Ian Black in the Guardian:

Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA counter-terrorism chief who is now a security analyst, said: "The decision to attack was made some time ago. It will be in two stages. If a smoking gun is found in terms of Iranian interference in Iraq, the US will retaliate on a tactical level, and they will strike against military targets. The second part of this is: Bush has made the decision to launch a strategic attack against Iranian nuclear facilities, although not before next year. He has been lining up some Sunni countries for tacit support for his actions."

Evidence of Sunni backing?

But a belief has been growing in Iran, which administration officials have pointedly not tried to stem, that the Bush administration was considering military strikes against Iran. An Israeli airstrike in Syria last week kicked up speculation in the Iranian press that Israel, in alliance with the United States, was really trying to send a message to Iran that it could strike Iranian nuclear facilities if it chose to.

“If I were the Iranians, what I’d be freaked out about is that the other Arab states didn’t protest” the airstrike, said George Perkovich, vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “The Arab world nonreaction is a signal to Iran, that Arabs aren’t happy with Iran’s power and influence, so if the Israelis want to go and intimidate and violate the airspace of another Arab state that’s an ally of Iran, the other Arab states aren’t going to do anything.”

George Perkovich might be freaked out, but the Iranians might be something else:

The Iranians also have reason to be sceptical. They hear some of the rhetoric coming out of Washington and conclude that, whatever they do, they will be attacked. So they may conclude that the only course of action is full acceleration towards a nuclear deterrent.

Considering how far Iran is away from actually having a nuclear bomb and how close we are to having a new administration, we cannot allow this attack on Iran to go on in the next 16 months. We can't hope that Condi Rice will resign, or that her resignation will prevent an attack. We have to impeach, convict, and remove this administration. Don't say it can't be done. It has to be done. Or it's Armageddon.



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Trust me, the unthinkable is going to happen, again, unless we get can get America off its ass. These folks are evil.

howieinseattle
by howieinseattle on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 01:18:56 AM EST
Yup.

Now what?

The Dems show no signs of doing anything substantive.

The media is a tool of the administration and/or the weak Dems and/or spook forces.

And the so-called "peace movement" is a joke.

Do we rely on the good sense of the military to literally refuse? Drag their heels? Or worse? The words "good sense" and "military" are not often heard close together in much intelligent discourse, anyway.

We are fucked.

Unless we are very, VERY lucky...we are fucked.

So it goes.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 01:54:10 AM EST
Sully is an opportunistic hack. A weather vane if you will. I admit that he is a gifted writer and upon occasion makes a cogent point or two. His ability to tap into the zeitgeist of whichever side he's taken on any issue remains impressive.  

But I find Sully to be intellectually dishonest. While he has publicly claimed repentance, he sinned far too long in the service of the neo-cons for me to completely trust him. His conversion has made him a hot commodity -- one more perceived to be even "relevant" than previous. We all collectively gag when Chris Matthews criticizes the Right yet Sully gets a free pass. I chalk it up to consistency of message. I'm still skeptical and suspicious that under the right circumstances he'd flip-flop his way back to the other side.

Finally, Sully has frequently misrepresented himself as an American citizen. Not a small matter when you consider the column inches he has dedicated to whomever he has purported to have "voted" for in our elections.

AF

by Anacher Forester on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 04:25:31 AM EST
by liaozhi123 on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 02:37:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've been saying that for a while, and thinking it for even longer.  The cabal that infests the CheneyBush maladministration is out of control and they will not stop.  As long as they remain in control of our military, our nation and the world are in grave peril.


Have I ever told you about my poor memory?
by ignorant bystander on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 07:30:41 AM EST
Absolutely spot on.  

Every member of the House took an oath to "protect and defend the Constitution" and by last count, only about a dozen of the 500 are actually fulfilling their commitment by co-sponsoring a resolution to impeach Cheney (at least).

The tasks before the US and the world are enormous and instead of addressing those issues, this administration is swiftly eroding our Constitutional rights while ignoring every major problem we face or making it worse.

That said, I think it is virtually impossible, even with a monumentally stupid and immoral attack on Iran, to get the Congress and the American people off their collective assess.  I fear we may never restore Constitutional government in this country and will continue to "debate" scientific fact and make foreign policy decisions with our gonads instead of our brains.

I sincerely hope I am proven wrong.

Democracy Lover

by demolover on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 08:26:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Unfortunately, it's very clear that Bush intends to engage Iran militarily.

Impeachment and removal is our only real option.

Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
  Downey wings, but wroth they beat
Tempest even in reason's seat.

by GreyHawk on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 08:23:07 AM EST
As nice as it would be to say "Yeah, Cheney's just busting out the brinksmanship playbook from the Reagan era, ALL HAIL REAGAN!" I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the saber-rattling angle is being used as a cover to buy enough time to actually hit Iran, and that's exactly what's being sold to Congress.

I'm honestly not sure what has stopped Cheney from hitting Iran up until now.  Militarily the pieces are in place, along with his thousands of "military contractors."  The Constitution has been all but shredded, Bush has his Supreme Court, a pliable "opposition party" and the AIPAC lobby to regulate anyone who gets out of line.  Seriously folks if the only thing standing between Iran and a joint US-Israel attack is Condi Rice then that's not going to hold.

It's entirely possible Israel may be the ones resisting on that, but again, they just hit Syria.  They know what that means.  I'm still thinking March, but it could happen a lot sooner.

And how are we going to stop them?  No matter what angle we take, it's still going to involve America giving a damn.  Millions of us, if not tens of millions, just want to keep our heads down and pretend Bush isn't going to do it.  Millions more think it would be "pretty cool" if he did.  Nearly all of us have more immediate problems to deal with.

Me, I think the clock's started.  We can hear it, we just can't see the numbers on the face.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 09:18:38 AM EST
unfortunately, with "leaders" like Pelosi and Reid, that is not going to happen.  They used the progressives to get elected then promptly stabbed us all in the back.

we're going to war with iran.  I'm not sure how that's going to work out for our army, but we're going to war with iran.

My main question is, what happens if we lose?  I mean like if we REALLY lose: we've got 130,000 soldiers bogged down in a hostile country: NYT reports that something like 60% of anbar provice doesn't want us there, and we all know how popular we are with baghdadis, and then there's that poll showing 60% of iraqis think attacks on us troops are justified).

Those supply lines are long and vulnerable, and there are not many ways out of iraq.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 09:21:19 AM EST
Trust me, if we attack Iran, it won't ne the Sunnis in Anbar we will be fighting.  It will be the Shi'ite militias and likely the Iraqi government (though that may be done covertly).

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 12:19:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
On Friday Bill Moyers reran the Sept 11 investigation report from 2004. To my surprise, it was as relevant now as when it was new. The most chilling scenes were of Rice telling her charming lies and evasions to a frustrated Commission. And she's touted as one of the less-bad guys. The whole thing made it clear that yes, it can happen again, and it will if we allow it.

The worst nightmare for the BushCheney regime would be for diplomacy and negotiation to defuse the possibility of crisis-peddling.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."

by DaveW on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 01:15:54 PM EST
Booman,

I wanted to post this to you over here because it would get lost at the orange in that huge thread.

This is why I have always feared the attack of Iran.

In May of 2006, on the night of the primary, after I had won the nomination, within minutes of the polls closing, I received a cell phone call on the way from one county party headquarters celebration, to another.  It was a three way call with a newspaper reporter from the Muncie Star, and Pence's people.  I was told there would be three debates and each side was to pick three topics and one topic from each side would be the focus of it's own debate.

I picked economics, education, and healthcare.
Pence's people picked, family values, homeland security and IRAN.

I said "you mean Iraq?" and they said "No, Iran will be the topic for our last debate before the election."  

This was May of 2006.  I blogged about it back then, but no one took it seriously, or me seriously for that matter.  So it was supposed to happen by schedule before 2006 elections, and Pence knew it would be a debate topic that he wanted to control.  

Then April of 2007 comes and Hersh gets the word out and things are really bad in Iraq so it is stopped again.

It is coming, it was part of the plan all along and the confrontation with Iran is coming.  

Maybe this time the netroots will stop it.  One can only hope and pray.

 

A member of The Democratic Wing of The Democratic Party

by Barry Welsh (barry@barrywelsh.org) on Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 03:22:30 PM EST


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