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Dems Show a Little Spine

by BooMan
Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 10:46:59 AM EST

I'm not promising a pony or anything, but the blogosphere has won one battle and we should celebrate it for whatever it's worth.

Senate Democrats will forge ahead with votes on anti-war measures later this week, even though most of the proposals lack the Republican support needed to advance.

As a result, Congress appears no closer to passing bipartisan legislation that could challenge President Bush’s Iraq War strategy, despite a growing chorus of centrists on both sides of the aisle calling for change.

The decision by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to hold votes on war measures that are likely to fail suggested another Democratic effort to put both parties on record yet again on the Iraq issue.

Having failed to win over Republicans on compromise measures, Democrats appeared to be returning to a hard-line approach. They had considered bringing to the floor a measure by Democrats Carl Levin of Michigan and Jack Reed of Rhode Island that would set a goal, not a ­requirement, for withdrawing most U.S. troops from Iraq in nine months. That measure will have to wait while a version with a firm deadline is put to the Senate, Reid told reporters.

The Democrats have limited floor time to pass the appropriations bills and they can't really afford to waste it on debate over Iraq that will never translate into law. Yet, persistent criticism from the Netroots has, for now, prevented them from caving to the president before they even start negotiating.

The decision to go with a stronger version of Levin-Reed, at least to begin with, addresses concerns of the more liberal members of the Democratic Party.

“We believe it’s important to vote for something we believe in first,” Levin said.

The Dems intend to cause maximum pain and suffering to the GOP. There really is no other choice. The so-called GOP moderates are already starting to twist.

But moderates, many of them facing the possibility of difficult reelection bids next year, are dreading the expected showdowns.

"We are at a very significant juncture," said Rep. Jim Ramstad (Minn.), a moderate who on Monday joined seven other Republicans in announcing that he will not seek reelection. "I'd use a metaphor, but it can't be printed -- something about something hitting the fan."

The Dems have to get Republicans to turn away from the president. If they won't, the Dems have to end the careers of as many Republicans as possible. But, at the same time, Democratic and anti-war activists need to recognize the sacrifice Reid is making here. By forcing another ultimately hopeless debate on Iraq he is assuring that we will also have a showdown on the budget. There will be fights on continuing resolutions to keep the government running and the Republicans will say that the Dems can't get their act together and handle the basics of their job.

And, despite some positive signs, things are not all peaches and roses in the Democratic caucus.

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) was expecting to go to the Democratic Caucus on Tuesday to complain that liberals are threatening to support primary challenges against Democratic centrists because of their positions on Iraq.

But when he found out the issue wasn’t on the agenda, he walked out...

Hours later on the floor, he saw three members of leadership — House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) and Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.). He buttonholed them and asked why Iraq and party unity weren’t on the agenda.

“I said, ‘Did Iraq fall off the table?’” said Abercrombie, a senior Armed Services Committee member. “There’s a lot of frustration and downright anger festering in the caucus.”

Abercrombie’s anger highlights the rising tensions within the Democratic Caucus as House leadership plots the next step forward and looks to reach out to Republicans. The party’s liberal wing has gotten frustrated at overtures that they consider “backsliding” on the Iraq issue.

That tension crystallized when word leaked that Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) had advocated running primaries against centrist members deemed insufficiently anti-war. That comment has provoked a backlash from those who want to reach out to Republicans, like Abercrombie and Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.).

“It shows what these folks know about the military, to call in fire on your own people,” Tanner told The Hill on Tuesday. “It’s the height of arrogance to think you’re the only one who knows how to achieve a goal.”

Abercrombie is a member of the Progressive Caucus, but he's also a member of the Armed Services committee and he chairs one of the subcommittees. But Tanner is just confused. He's not one of 'our own'. He's a Bush Dog Democrat and he fully deserves artillery fire. If he wants it to stop then he should stop voting for horrible legislation.



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Tanner's arrogance should call forth the wraiths of righteousness against him.  This fool doesn't understand that he and his ilk have already pissed all over the Democratic Party's progressives and activists with preemptive fire.  Now, he wants to be forgiven, without even having offered his own confession.  He deserves to be primaried.  He's worked hard for it.  I say "fire for effect" at this point.  Just pour it.
by VizierVic (VizierVic@hotmail.com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 10:58:39 AM EST
Well, I agree with you.  But there is no likelihood of Tanner getting a primary challenge.  The only primary challenge we have for Bush Dogs is against Dan Lipinski.  Donna Edwards is running against Al Wynn, but that is about corporatism, not the war or social conservatism.  

If Tanner is mad, he's mad about something that isn't much of a threat at this point.

The Netroots can raise some money but we can't recruit candidates out of thin air.  

by BooMan on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 11:19:15 AM EST
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To Tanner and his ilk being a Democrat is enough and people should be loyal to each other just because they have the same letter next to their name.  He doesn't understand that the world has moved on - activists are going to run against you whether you like it or not.  It's not as if Lynn Woolsey came up with the idea to force Bush Dog Dems in "safe Dem" districts into primaries - that's been percolating for a while now.

He needs to look around and realize that he's wrong on the main issue that the activists are upset about - the War.  It's the issue that has singlehandedly re-united the Democratic base, and they're united in anger and disgust at their own elected politicians.  That anger was focused on routing out the Republican roadblocks and enablers in 2006, and if things don't change by next fall, that same anger is going to be focused on routing out the DEMOCRATIC roadblocks and enablers in 2008.  And, if the public keeps moving the way it has been, it'll be even easier to do that in 2008 than it was in 2006.

by nonynony on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 11:09:55 AM EST
Tanner is my cong. rep.  If I could run against him I most certainly would.  I just do not have the $$$$ that it would take.  Besides I would have to run as an independent of which I truly am.  Tanner has been a topic of discussion here in my neck of the woods.  When I moved down this way he was up for re-election.  I listened to the powers that be debate on what to do about him..some of which I have forgotten now.  I just know that ppl around here are not happy with him.  Geez, why did I have to be so very poor...;o(  I really want him to not get re-elected which is what happens here...he is constantly not getting any worthwhile competition....so sad!

Just look at what Memphis did in 06!!! they got rid of the Ford machine and now they ahve a non-blue dog...good for them...let it spread like something that is contagious.....

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 11:28:08 AM EST
Webb's amendment is coming up for a vote shortly.  The following Senators have been deemed essential to invoking cloture.  If you live in these states, please call their offices and let them know that soldiers deserve at least as much time at home as they have served in harm's way.

Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
DC: 202-224-6665
Anchorage: 907-271-3735

George Voinovich (R-Ohio)
DC: (202) 224-3353
Cleveland: (216) 522-7095

Elizabeth Dole (R-North Carolina)
DC: 202-224-6342
Raleigh: 866-420-6083

John Warner (R-Virginia)
DC: (202) 224-2023
Roanoke: (540) 857-2676

Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky)
DC: 202-224-2541
Louisville: 502-82-6304

Arlen Specter (R-Pennsylvania)
DC: 202-224-4254
Harrisburg: (717) 782-3951

by BooMan on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 11:29:21 AM EST
hey Boo, I have already been on the phone following my orders from firedoglake.  Alexander is from my state and he was on the list over there...I made my voice heard.  I called my neighboring states as well...Arkansas and LA.  I tried to call Warner's office but the lies are so tied up..it is impossible...or he has his phone off the hook...;o)

Calling McConnell's office is just wasted time on my effort...It is just that way...He is not worth my time or effort, what so ever.....

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 11:46:19 AM EST
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Of COURSE they show a little spine.

Why?

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Because like John "Small K" kerry and others of his ilk, they only HAVE a little spine.

A little, teeny TINY spine.

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A fact of which Big Dick Cheney is only too aware.

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Nothing real will come of this.

Just more Dem bushwa.

Bet on it.

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Dick is.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 11:59:43 AM EST
hey Boo- do they take the gloves off yet? Habeus down! What the fuck is the tipping point now? There is only one approach now and that is to attack these bastards every where! Force actual filibusters on every single vote. Massive picketing at every single vulnerable gooper senators and representatives home office. Every stinking one of them. Over the top? Shut down the congress each and every possible time. Stop the bullshit. Move On was wrong? Horshit. It should have been tougher. Alot tougher.
Read Pincus this AM in WAPO. Is that what represtents the "Greatest Country in the World'? Or do we continue to play by the Marquis?
billjpa
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 12:28:27 PM EST
I didn't say they were wrong...I said they were dumb.  
by BooMan on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 12:34:18 PM EST
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