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Some Blathering to Solve My Writer's Block

by BooMan
Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:36:45 AM EST

I have writer's block tonight. As someone that blogs on a left-wing site I have a lot of interaction with people on the left, especially people that feel totally let down or alienated by the American two-party system. The two party system is dictated by the winner-take-all method of electing federal officials and it is never going to be changed. There are things that can be done on the local and state level, but we are going to continue to elect representatives, senators, and presidents in the same way that we always have. And that is very frustrating to people that would like to see some representation for positions that are a little out of the mainstream. I understand and share that frustration, but I've learned not to spit into the wind. We have to deal with the electoral system that we have, not the one we wish we had.

The two-party system is inherently conservative in the good sense. It's almost impossible for a radical to get elected to any state-wide office, let alone to the presidency, and so America is very predictable and reliable. We aren't about to privatize whole sectors of the economy and welch on good-faith investments, as often happens in Latin America, for example. In fact, most of America's foreign interventions in Latin America have been to prevent people from tearing up previously agreed to investment opportunities.

There is a strong force within American politics that punishes political outliers and rewards politicians that hew to the middle. In our current election, Obama has done his best to reassure everyone that he won't come into Washington and start upsetting apple carts and tossing out the money changers. But the media and the Establishment clearly feels more comfortable with a Clinton-McCain election. The point is to get two candidates that agree on the fundamentals. And for the Establishment, you can disagree about almost everything, but you cannot question American Exceptionalism or threaten the military-industrial complex.

We can all parse Clinton's statements to guess how far she is willing to go in dismantling our Central Asian empire, but the Establishment is betting that she will make it safe to expand the empire again. And that is how this two-party system is supposed to work. The county is supposed to agree on the major foreign policy challenges we face. But a simple look at the Republicans debate on CNN tonight shows that there is no longer any such consensus. John McCain is actually bragging that he was the only man alive wise enough to advocate a surge of troops into Iraq. The Establishment desperately wants to agree with him because they still hope that Iraq was not a lethal error than undermined the foreign policy assumptions and unquestioned hegemony of the post-Cold War Pax Americana.

Clinton wants to agree with him, too, for the same reason. But reality has intruded and Clinton knows she has no hope of being nominated unless she promises (a la Nixon) to bring our troops home. The bottom line is that we have a two-party system where the two parties have actually diverged on the fundamentals. And that is not supposed to happen. There are not supposed to be any real differences between the two parties on the fundamentals.

So, the Establishment is working overtime to give us two candidates (McCain-Clinton) that do agree on the fundamentals. And they are about to succeed.

Some people say that Obama is no different, but I disagree. He knows and understands the game and what is expected, but he comes from a radically different place and has a radically different background. I don't think we've had a candidate, ever, with more potential to think outside of the standard strictures of the American Imperial framework. We shall see.



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Geez, BooMan. Wish I was "cursed" with that kind of writer's block.

Very thoughtful and interesting.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:49:30 AM EST
I hope it isn't just a bunch of verbal diarrhea.
by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:00:10 AM EST
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Not at all. I just hope others read history as much as you do. History matters, always.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:14:42 AM EST
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In my first career, I taught world history during the mid-60's.  People always asked me, often with a smirk, why we should waste our time on history.  I let them know that many of my students would end up in Vietnam, and the history of the area plus the history or our involvement with the main players was critical for them to know.  These kids couldn't find Vietnam on a map, knew nothing about WW II (other than movies) or the French occupation of Vietnam.  How can we send them to die for something they don't understand, can't even think about with a foundation of knowledge?

The same, unfortunately, is true about the Middle East today.

I passionately agree with your statement that "history matters, always."

One of Obama's attractions for me is his worldly experience, less USA-centric perspective.

by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:15:02 AM EST
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I like it.  I'm glad I read it.  

For heaven's sake - give yourself a break.

by Alice on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 06:52:05 AM EST
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echo Real History Lisa. Not.at.all

A McCain-Clinton match up in the fall. On the GOP side looks so. TPM has a nugget that Romney is closing his wallet, throwing in the towel?

Should Clinton prevail, lotta juicy post White House years scandal to add to the 90s. lots and lots of new scandals - to be revealed.

"an Ex-President, a Mining Deal and a Big Donor" via Huffpost

There's hope, not from Hope, but from Illinois:

Yesterday, (Wednesday) I read that in Gallup's national survey, Obama had closed within 6 pts of the Clintons' (yes it's a twosome) lead.

Today Rasmussen has Obama in CA just 3 pts shy of Clinton these numbers include Edwards in the survey.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:30:15 AM EST
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I keep searching out his flaws and instead find the flaws are with me. The cynicism that comes with obsessing with politics demands that I discount what may be a great leader's ideas down to their lowest denomination because trust is no longer a part of the equation.

But I do know that where Hillary defaults to with her judgments is not the healthy place this country needs to turn to. Her defaults don't reside in courageous stances, they go with popular stances.

Obama, seems to be polite to a fault, perhaps it's his diplomacy showing, but he doesn't crack and default to meanness, he defaults to strength.

And it's been a long time since a leader asked America to be strong with him, and though the words are enticing, the reality is alot of hard work and I'm not so sure people have grasped that yet.
 

No Hillary, you were outspent by the people not the Obama campaign.

by mainsailset (rideback@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:03:39 AM EST
His volunteers have, though. And look what they've already accomplished.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:15:25 AM EST
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Good point.

No Hillary, you were outspent by the people not the Obama campaign.
by mainsailset (rideback@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:45:57 AM EST
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First of all: if that's writer's block, can I have some?

Second, what do you think of Broder's column in WaPo today?  Seems like he's pulling for Obama.  I guess the establishment dislike of the Clintons can overcome their tug towards her as the more establishment candidate.

(I loved his headline.  "It could be McCain vs. Obama."  REALLY??!?!?! Oh my god...what news!)

by rae on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:41:59 AM EST
First of all: if that's writer's block, can I have some?

No kidding! Please, Boo...share it with the rest of us. Show off! :<)

But to your larger point: It seems the establishment is arguing among themselves re: Clinton and Obama--the devil you know vs. someone who may be better and still seems "reasonable." (What a balancing act this is!)

Broder seems indicative of that inside argument they are having.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:19:04 AM EST
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on the head when he said that in the Reagan era the Republican Party was (and to a certain extent remain -- I think we are still in the Reagan era) the party of ideas.  This has enabled them to set the agenda.  The two-party system, as we now know it, consists of Republicans deciding the direction that the country should go, and the Democrats acquiescing, or, very occasionally, standing in the way (as on Social Security privatization).  

This is true even when the Democrats control the government.  Not having their own ideas, and having to do something, they coopt Republican ideas, as Clinton did when he "reformed" the welfare system and expanded the death penalty.

In 1984, Gary Hart for a while appeared likely to win the Democratic nomination, campaigning on a theme of "new ideas".  But then it turned out that Hart himself didn't have any new ideas, he just thought new ideas were a good thing.  Six election cycles have come and gone, and Gary Hart is still the poster boy of a party that has lost its soul.

This probably doesn't directly address the diary, but it was the thought that sprouted in my mind when you said (Rumfeldally) that we have to vote within the two-party system we have, not the two-party system we want.

Check out the Green Party platform sometime.  There are new ideas there.  If you are like me, you will agree with 90% or more of them.  I was going to stay a Democrat and vote for Kucinich in the primary.  Now I'll probably stay home.  I'm not sure what I'll do in November.  I might vote for Obama.  I'm less likely to vote for Clinton.  But whenever I hear that I have to vote for Clinton or McCain in November, because there's no other choice, my reaction is that that is simply not true.  There are other options (third party, or staying home), and though I live in a swing state, I am increasingly inclined to take one of those options.

by JLG on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 08:39:26 AM EST
my point isn't to tell you you have to vote for one of the the two parties, because you don't.  My point is that the two parties are going to win 99.99999999% of all federal elections.  And if you want to get involved in third parties, then you should at least know that you'll never win a federal election (outside Vermont).  

And even with Vermont, Bernie Sanders isn't any different than the other 49 Democrats he caucuses with.  

by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:08:37 AM EST
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It's always impossible until it happens.  That comment won't look so great if Bloomberg is elected President.  Not that I think he will win if he runs, but I'd say that his chances are better than 0.000000001%.

I would say, though, that the chances of my vote determining the result of a federal election is about 0.00000001%, so I'd just as soon vote for somebody I believed in even if the candidate was unlikely to win.

by JLG on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 05:38:34 PM EST
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"The two-party system is inherently conservative in the good sense. It's almost impossible for a radical to get elected to any state-wide office, let alone to the presidency, and so America is very predictable and reliable."

So how do you explain George W. Bush, who has been nothing if not a radical?

I don't think the two party system is much of ANYTHING in a good sense.  

I would also argue that Britain, Canada, Germany, and countless other nations do pretty well with a multi-party  parliamentary system.  I mean, sure you get cuckoos like the Bloc Quebecois or the Conservatives in Canada, but they rarely get very far before the public pushes back.  In contrast to the "winner-take-all method of electing federal officials", which leaves the losing party angry, resentful, and inclined to obstruct (well, the GOP at least), in parliamentary systems which are based on proportional representation, broader coalitions are usually necessary.  

I guess I'm not seeing what's so "conservative in the good sense" of our system, but i'm also one of those "people that feel totally let down or alienated by the American two-party system", so wtf do i know?  

Good times with Chuckles Schumer today: I called their office about Mukasey's stonewalling, and referred to Chuckles' 11/6/07 op-ed "a vote for justice." "Could you tell me if the Senator's going to write another op-ed titled "Oops: My Bad, America"?  Cus it seems that something like that is warranted."

they promised me they'd pass the message along.

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:07:29 AM EST
I'm not arguing for the two-party system, but it does have one upside and that is that we don't get confiscatory radical asshats and we don't get stormtrooping skinheads either.  

How do I explain Bush?  He is one of the truly evil people in recent world history.  And his quail-hunting sidekick is actually radiating high concentration evil in all directions.

by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:14:16 AM EST
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I know you're not arguing in favor of the two party system.

Not to be argumentative, but i'm not sure where you're going with "confiscatory radical asshats and we don't get stormtrooping skinheads".

I think the former is demonstrably untrue, given US forfeiture laws when it comes to the war on drugs.  I believe forfeiture laws are based on an assumption of guilt, and IIRC that in some states, the police don't even have to tell you where your stuff is or return it, even if you're acquitted.  Those laws aren't inherent powers: they were passed by statute, and that they continue to be upheld suggests that the two-party system has it's share of "confiscatory radical asshats".  

I'm not sure about the skinheads: could you point me somewhere that has more detail about where skinheads pose a significant political bloc?

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:27:25 AM EST
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by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:34:48 AM EST
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-sigh-

I meant NOW, Booman, not 1938.

And in any event, the nazis ascension to power didn't have so much to do with proportional representation as it  did a series of trumped up national emergencies, a weak and sick president, in the context of a young republic that eventually collapsed.

You don't see that kind of thing happening in places like Canada, Britain, etc.  However, you do see some of that here in our two-party system: witness Bush's "Supporters only" rallies.

A two party system, whatever its faults and favorables, doesn't necessarily prevent the rise of fascists.

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:37:53 PM EST
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"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." -Upton Sinclair

And, um:

In 1984 and 1999, Le Pen won a seat in the European Parliament. In 1988 he lost a reelection bid for the Parliament of France in the 8th Distict of Bouches-du-Rhône. He was defeated in the second round by Socialist Marius Masse[2]. In 1992 and 1998 he was elected to the regional council of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur.

In 1997, the European Parliament stripped Le Pen of his parliamentary immunity so that he could be tried by a German court for comments he made at a December 1996 press conference before the German Republikaner party. Le Pen stated there that: "If you take a 1,000-page book on World War II, the concentration camps take up only two pages and the gas chambers 10 to 15 lines. This is what one calls a detail." ; Le Pen had made a similar statement in France in 1987, which also caused him to be condemned in virtue of the Gayssot Act on negationism. In June 1999, a Munich court found this statement to be "minimizing the Holocaust, which caused the deaths of six million Jews," and convicted and fined Le Pen for his remarks.[9][10] He was deprived of his seat by the European Court of Justice on April 10, 2003 for physically assaulting another candidate.

Le Pen ran in the French presidential elections in 1974, 1988, 1995, 2002 and 2007. He did not run for office in 1981, having failed to gather the necessary 500 signatures of elected officials. In the presidential elections of 2002, Le Pen obtained 16.86 percent of the votes in the first round of voting. This was enough to qualify him for the second round, as a result of the poor showing by the Socialist candidate and incumbent prime-minister Lionel Jospin and the scattering of votes among 15 other candidates. This was a major political event, both nationally and internationally, as it was the first time someone with such extremist views had qualified for the second round of the French presidential elections. There was a widespread stirring of national public opinion, and more than one million people in France took part in street rallies, slogans such as "vote for the crook, not the fascist" were heard in an expression of fierce opposition to Le Pen's ideas.

by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:43:52 PM EST
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w/ regard to Le Pen, as i said in my original comment, "I mean, sure you get cuckoos like the Bloc Quebecois or the Conservatives in Canada, but they rarely get very far before the public pushes back." And as i recall, the crook won against the fascist. by a fairly wide margin too, correct?

The Sinclair quote is accurate, but doesn't undercut my argument that the two party system is necessarily a preventative against radicals.

I think one could argue the free marketeers and globalists that have succeeded in screwing the US economy  are radicals in their own very special way, and they have made out quite well under our two party system.

But I digress.  I need to go get some lunch and mail pictures of my cute kid to my ancient grandmother.

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:02:22 PM EST
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Until Bush et cie came along, I would have agreed with Booman about the inherently conservative nature of our political system.  But we (I, friends and family) all believe we have actually been through a coup d'etat that as yet hasn't been widely recognized and seen for what it is, despite all the loud complaints expressed by progressives.  In other words, our conservative system has failed us and allowed radicals to govern almost unchallenged.

I also see the Clintons as being in sync with the decades of changes in governnent that made it possible for Bush II to do what he's done.

by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:25:28 AM EST
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BooMan said: "Some people say that Obama is no different, but I disagree. He knows and understands the game and what is expected, but he comes from a radically different place and has a radically different background. I don't think we've had a candidate, ever, with more potential to think outside of the standard strictures of the American Imperial framework."

I found Obama's comments about invading Pakistan pretty radical.

by readytoblowagasket on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:07:31 PM EST
it's an excellent speech. Yet, it does little to suggest that Obama will pull us out of Afghanistan and a lot to suggest otherwise.  Yet, his position on Iraq is clear and unequivocal, and that is a start.
by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:17:00 PM EST
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The content of the speech is scary. On many levels.

And it demonstrates Obama is as much a hawk as McCain and Clinton (not just my opinion). Which would qualify him as thinking inside the "standard strictures of the American Imperial framework," if you count McCain's and Clinton's thinking as "standard."

It's true he's a more eloquent hawk than we've seen in a long time. But that doesn't mean his thinking is different in regard to foreign policy. Just his way with words.

by readytoblowagasket on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:52:34 PM EST
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if you want to discuss this, I am happy to. But please point out what parts you think are scary or that indicate that he is no different from McCain.
by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:57:05 PM EST
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Okay, the more I study Obama's speech, the more it reads like a neocon tract. Now I'm really freaked out.

Here is what I find to be evidence of Obama's scary hawk-like tendencies:

Out of 82 paragraphs

"terrorists" or "terrorism" used 46 times
"extremists" or "extremism" used 13 times
"al Qaeda" used 20 times
"9/11" used 14 times
"secure" or "security" used 24 times
"threat" or "threaten" used 13 times
"nuclear" used 11 times
"weapons" used 13 times
"war" used 32 times
"hate" used 9 times
"peace" used 1 time

After painting a vivid scene of innocent people hanging from window ledges of the Twin Towers before falling to their deaths on that otherwise sunny September day, Obama employs phrases like "in a new world of threats," "a new enemy," "stateless terrorism," "The threat is from violent extremists," and "the threat is real," all of which serve to jerk our chains. "The terrorists are at war with us," he says, in case we still don't get it; the "people who hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan," are multiplying like roaches. We better get our asses in gear because "we are again in the midst of a 'summer of threat,' with bin Ladin and many more terrorists determined to strike in the United States."

Fortunately for us, "Bin Ladin and his allies know they cannot defeat us on the field of battle or in a genuine battle of ideas." (I don't know how Obama knows this, but it's a nice poetic touch.)

"To defeat this enemy" (which is seeking "to create a repressive caliphate"), we can't fight "the war the terrorists want us to fight" because that's "giving the terrorists what they really want."

"When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won," Obama continues. But how? you might be wondering. By "getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield" (don't worry, he's not your typical wimpy Democrat; he will "maintain sufficient forces in the region") and "taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan." On this new mission we will then "take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons" (as we all know, "take out" = "bomb," which has been extremely successful against terrorism so far).

Because "We did not finish the job against al Qaeda in Afghanistan," "Iraq is a training ground for terror." (McCain would add here that those trained in Iraq will "follow us home" if we leave Iraq before the "job is done.")

All along Obama "pleaded that we 'finish the fight with bin Ladin and al Qaeda,'" but of course no one listened to his pleas. (Now, McCain must go to the Gates of Hell to catch Osama bin Laden himself.)

Did I mention "Israel is besieged by emboldened enemies, talking openly of its destruction"?

Just to underscore his position, he says, "I did not oppose all wars." Obama has repeated this idea (in the present tense, of course) during the debates as well.

Those are some of the scary (and scaremongering) highlights of the first 29 paragraphs. Do you want me to quote the remaining 53 paragraphs?

by readytoblowagasket on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:45:00 PM EST
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And save further embarrassments such as this:

[Obama] knows and understands the game and what is expected, but he comes from a radically different place and has a radically different background. I don't think we've had a candidate, ever, with more potential to think outside of the standard strictures of the American Imperial framework. We shall see.

See my diary, "We Hate Hillary Cuz Bill Crushed Our Manchurian Candidate Dreams" at http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/1/27/123838/160  

Better yet, see "Barack Obama Inc." in Harpers, with this as the concluding quote:

On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious: that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn't see him as a "player." The lobbyist added: "What's the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?"

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275


I'm important, and everyone else is too. G.K. Chesterton

by fairleft (fairleft(at)yahoo.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:27:39 PM EST
are you calling us communists, or what are you doing?
by BooMan on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:36:02 PM EST
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I'm calling you wrong/naive about Obama. He appears to be signalling/triangulating like mad that he is a centrist, post-partisan, post-Democrat, inside-the-system 'moderate'. Your dream is that he is secretly sort of 'radical' new, vaguely leftist, and all that centrist/nonpartisan signaling is just 'stuff he has to do to get elected'. That is Manchurian candidate dreaming like many of us have engaged in, but most of us have given up.

I'm important, and everyone else is too. G.K. Chesterton
by fairleft (fairleft(at)yahoo.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 04:20:44 PM EST
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