Booman Tribune

What Does Iran Have to Gain Here?

by clammyc
Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:18:27 PM EST

The answer is, as far as I can think of, is nothing, and there is pretty much everything to lose.

This is why I reacted to the report that Iranian boats had “provoked” US ships in the Strait of Hormuz with a “WTF????”. Let’s look at a few things here, just to make heads or tails of things.

So what is the common thread here? Well, pretty much all of these are a threat to US economic interests, not to mention partially avoidable had this administration acted differently back in 2001, 2002 and 2003. Additionally, all of this has happened despite (or as a response by the global community) the saber rattling that Mister Bush, Dick Cheney and the other neocons have been doing for the past few years.

The US economy is getting rapidly worse – pretty much by any metric. The Iraq occupation is an unmitigated disaster, with the only “success” being a decrease in violence to an already unacceptable level, while there is no political success in any way, shape or form. Afghanistan is getting worse, as is the situation in Pakistan. The Taliban and al Qaeda are stronger than ever (but being Sunni, there is really no reason for the Shiite Iran to cooperate with them to begin with).

In short, the US foreign and domestic policies are miserable and with miserable but predictable results. Another parallel is the fact that this is election season, and with republicans getting slammed left and right by an apathetic (at best) population, it is about time for the “tried and true” fear card to be played yet again.

And if this is “provoking”, as Mister Bush (or an unnamed and anonymous official says it is), then what about this action from May 2007 when the US sent nine warships through the Strait, along with 17,000 Marines and sailors in what was called a ”show of military force”? How is that NOT a threat or “provoking” Iran?

This makes absolutely no sense for Iran to take action. But with the other actions taken by Iran over the past few years that threatens US economic “might” and our ability to pull the strings in the global economy – but even if these actions were designed to strengthen Iran’s position or to weaken the US’s position – it is not a threat that required lies about weapons parts, nuclear weapons programs or whatever else has been conjured up about Iran being a direct and immediate threat (or growing and gathering threat as Iraq became) to the US.

As with the convenient bin Laden tapes that always surface at opportune times, we should be very mindful of the timing here, as well as what else is going on that is damning or damaging to the republicans or the Bush administration. Could it also be that by sending 9 ships and 17,000 servicemen and women to the Strait back in May that could be construed as a “provocative act” or that the Bush administration was threatening Iran then? And couldn’t the continued presence of US military ships in the Strait, along with the tough words, lies and threats coming out of Washington at least every week be construed as “provocative” or “threatening”?

Now, I am not the only one, surely, that has figured out what looks like the obvious here. The editors at Foreign Policy had this to say::

There's no story yet, but I think it's a safe bet that hardliners in the Guard are seeking to create an incident on the eve of U.S. President George W. Bush's visit to the region. Why would they do that? Well, it makes for good distraction from their sinking popularity ahead of March's legislative elections. It forestalls the admittedly dim prospects of a U.S.-Iran rapprochement. It complicates Bush's efforts to buck up the United States' Arab allies (though depending on how they react to this news, it may simplify his mission). And as an added bonus, it'll probably send oil prices upwards for a short while. We can't exclude the possibility that some Guard higher-ups are speculating in the oil markets and turning a tidy profit from these sorts of incidents.
So, back to my original question – what does Iran really have to gain by doing something like this? And what does Iran have to lose by doing something like this? On the flip side, who does gain from a report such as this?

It seems pretty obvious here, and the timing is doubly suspicious in light of Bush’s visit to the Middle East, his approval ratings, the rise of Obama and the general apathy and implosion of republicans in general.



Display:
So, back to my original question - what does Iran really have to gain by doing something like this? And what does Iran have to lose by doing something like this? On the flip side, who does gain from a report such as this?

Hi, clammy!
Check my current entry and you'll see why a diversion is needed.
The Israelis now agree with the NIE.

John McCain - Less Jobs More War

by ask on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:21:37 PM EST
saw it over at ePluribus and it is a good post.  I agree wholeheartedly, and it is shameful of the shameless media to go along with this like lapdogs.

I was getting a cup of tea earlier and this story was on CNN at the time.  There were 3 or 4 others in the room and I said "this makes no sense for Iran to do" (and all people turned their heads at me).....

My Three Cents - 50% more opinion for free

by clammyc (clam227atyahoo) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:53:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's important to remember that Iran is not a passive entity in the great American drama. The Iranians have objectives of their own, as do the great powers behind them (China and Russia). It's true that Iran is not capable of winning a sustained war effort against the United States, but the United States is not presently capable of such an effort.

It's also worth remembering that Iran's arsenal of Russian-made Moskit and Chinese-made C-802 anti-ship missiles are probably capable of doing severe, possibly crippling, damage to the American warships in the Persian Gulf. And the Iranians were, until the NIE, living under the imminent threat of American attack. If you were an Iranian general, you would be remiss not to at least consider launching a pre-emptive attack against the US Navy, rather than risk the neutralization of your ASM assets in the event of a pre-emptive attack by the Americans. Those missiles, after all, are specifically for us -- no one else with a navy has any inclination to attack Iran.

Certainly, Russia and China would be the major beneficiaries of an Iran-American war and the subsequent decline of American power in the region. Don't forget that Vladimir Putin, who is busy trying to finalize his plunder of Russian state finances, could use a distraction as much or more than Bush, and China, which lacks Russia's oil reserves, knows that it must sooner or later come to blows (military or otherwise) with the US over the apportionment of middle eastern oil. And, of course, Israel wants war between Iran and America so they don't have to launch one of their own. The Sunni powers in the region are probably not entirely opposed to seeing the US blunt the power of Shia Iran.

The only thing still missing is a firm resolve in Tehran to initiate a war. Jerusalem, Washington, Moscow, and Beijing are, to one degree or another, looking forward to it.

When the peace rests on the sanity of the mullahs, we are in a world of shit.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:45:49 PM EST
this is a great comment, and your last line is very telling as well....

My Three Cents - 50% more opinion for free
by clammyc (clam227atyahoo) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:00:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
'When the peace rests on the sanity of the mullahs, we are in a world of shit.'

What an odd assessment of all this.

When the peace rests on the sanity of the Bush bunch, we are in a world of shit.

Remember the Maine!

by Quentin on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:51:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, their actions do keep the price of oil higher based on Middle East Tensions. And that helps W's oil buddies, no. You think if W cared about the American Consumer all these incidents would be kept quiet so we do pay more for a barrel of oil.
by americanforliberty on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:44:47 PM EST
The always astute http://www.juancole.com/ has a good assessment:

That the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps coast guard would play chicken with the US Navy is not that surprising. Enemies at sea often taunt one another, and I think there were similar feints by Soviet subs in the old days.

What is harder to understand is the Iranian government explanation, which was that the IRGC did not recognize the US naval ships as such. That isn't plausible, and besides, what other naval ships would the IRGC have a problem with?

It is the kind of explanation you would give when your nerdy crazy second cousin threatened to beat up a guest twice his size at your cocktail party. I.e., I don't think the incident was ordered from Tehran, but was some gung-ho local IRGC commander who'd been at sea way too long. I presume they thought the US was in Iranian waters (and the Iranians claim more offshore territory than the standard in international law).

Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei recently said that while it wasn't desirable right at the moment, Iranian diplomatic relations with the US in the future were not out of the question. So if anything the top leadership has been trying to ratchet down the tensions.


by pygalgia (pygalgia@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 03:54:56 PM EST
When I saw the articles, I just about laughed for the same reasons you pointed out.  It makes no sense that Iran would provoke the US because they have nothing to back it up.  I read the articles and laughed.  For my cynical mind, the article was planted, just like the articles in fall '01 about Saddam, as a trailmarker.  So that in summer or fall, Bush can say, "Remember how Iran threatened our ship in January?".  It's all part of the buildup.  Build up to what is the question.

Blogging While Brown Convention Atlanta, GA July 25-27, 2008
by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:48:42 PM EST


Display:
Go to: [ Booman Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]
Menu
Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password

My contribution: $





Proud member of

The Liberal Blog Network

a FeedBurner Network


Advertise in The Liberal Blog Network

Subscribe to this network

A-List Blogger

Find textbooks at Alibris!

NOTE: Overstock bests Amazon's prices and is "blue."

THE BOOKS WITH "BUZZ":
______________

Learn the real story behind the WMD in Iraq:

The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism
by Ron Suskind

New from W. Patrick Lang:

The Butcher's Cleaver: A Tale of the Confederate Secret Services by W. Patrick Lang

ManEegee recommends:

The Devil's Highway: A True Story
by Luis Alberto Urrea

Some good history:

Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA
by Tim Weiner

What's going on in Iraq:

Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone
by Raji Chandrasekaran.

On BooMan’s shelf:

The End of Iraq: How American Incompetence Created a War Without End
by Peter W. Galbraith

This looks interesting:

Adventure Divas
by Holly Morris

Here’s a good one from
Elizabeth Gilbert:

Eat Pray Love
by Elizabeth Gilbert

"Crash" * Best Motion Picture, Academy Awards * Only $11.79 at Overstock * 2006 SAG Winner, Best Ensemble

Check out
Powell's new section:
NEW FAVORITES

Selected new arrivals at 30% off

Recommended by Indianadem and ejmw:
The Conscience of a Liberal
by Paul Wellstone

From northcountry’s bookshelf:

The New Golden Age:
The Coming Revolution Against
Political Corruption and Economic Chaos
by Ravi Batra

A novel about contractors in Iraq from the woman that runs The Spy That Billed Me:

Outsourced: A Novel
from RJ Hillhouse.


SOTW-120x90
Download Sleeper Cell on iTunes (Better than "24") Download Weeds on iTunes (Hilarious 1/2-hour adult comedy starring Mary-Louise Parker) Download Late Nite with Conan O'Brien on iTunes
John Belushi - SNL
Download South Park on iTunes
Verve Vault

James Hunter - People Gonna Talk:
James Hunter - People Gonna Talk
icon


Great Deals
----- * ^ * -----

Find mystery novels by Nancy Pickard ("Kansas")



Challenging Empire: How People, Governments, and the UN Defy US Power by Phyllis Bennis (interviewed on DN!)


Featured by Keith Olbermann, New (Powell's Sale): Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum (whose other books merit serious consideration)


"Explosive" State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
by James Risen


The book the CIA doesn't want you to read: Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander
Larry Johnson's review


BT's all-time best seller:

PERMACULTURE:
A Designers' Manual

$79.95 * Sale: $59.95


Unequal Sisters: A Multicultural Reader in U.S. Women's History (Third Edition)


The Undercover Economist: Exposing Why the Rich Are Rich, the Poor Are Poor And Why You Can Never Buy a Decent Used Car!


The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl
by Timothy Egan


Green Press Initiative
----- * ^ * -----


Journalistas: 100 Years of the Best Writing and Reporting by Women Journalists by Eleanor Mills * NYT review


Bury Me Standing: the Gypsies & Their Journey


1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus



Brokeback Mountain
by Annie Proulx
----- * ^ * -----
Check out Powell's
"At The Movies"


Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World by Noam Chomsky (Power & Terror: Post 9-11 Talks)


The Price of Privilege:

How Parental Pressure and
Material Advantage Are Creating a Generation of
Disconnected and Unhappy Kids

by Madeline Levine


Save 35-70% on
name brand clothing,
footwear, and outdoor gear
at SierraTradingPost.com

:





We listened to PEN American Center's "State of Emergency" and found 1940s books by Curzio Malaparte only at Alibris. (Selection (MP3) excerpted from "The Skin.")

Alibris - Books You Thought You'd Never Find
Banned Books * Are you a fan of Film Noir, Art House, Documentaries or Hong Kong Action? * Searching for a long-lost children's book or a first printing of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue on vinyl? Find it at Alibris!

:
:
www.Patagonia.com



Booman Tribune Homepage
admin@boomantribune.com
powered by Scoop

A-List Blogger

Blogarama - The Blog Directory

More blogs about Blogs at Technorati.

Listed on BlogShares

© 2007 Booman Tribune