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Whiney-Ass-Titty-Baby of the Day

by BooMan
Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 11:34:03 AM EST

Jeff Jacoby. A sample:

Are some citizens so uninterested in political affairs that they won't bother to cast a ballot unless they can do it from their living room couch, or are given a month-and-a-half to get around to it? Yes. But what is gained from encouraging such lazy or apathetic people to vote?

Why can't we bring back poll-tests?



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for starters.

Yes, people should be informed and take responsibility for the conduct of their public affairs.

Yes, Voting should be made as easy and convenient as possible.

Early voting, online registration, absentee ballots and a holiday for elections are all necessary elements and simple to institute.

Voter fraud, despite all the GOP hand wringing has been virtually non existent. Voter abuse however has been rampant and it is not being perpetrated by Ma and Pa Kettle.

Yes, that was a whiney ass statement.

Bob

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by BobHiggins (rlh974@yahoo.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 01:22:47 PM EST
Online registration? When you register you have to show two forms of identification, one of which has to have your address. How do you show ID on-line? Do you trust everyone? Do we put in yet another crappy hackable system such Ohio's (and Illinois')?

BTW, neither form of ID (here in IL anyway) needs to have a picture. You can use a piece of mail and a credit card among other choices. Most people use a Driver's License and a credit card, but there are about ten other forms that are acceptable. For example, your topoor person can show their Medicaid card and their Social Security card.

by The Voice In The Wilderness on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:46:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Arizona has online voter registration here

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by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:44:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What I notice is that Republicans are always in favor of minimizing voter participation, and Democrats are always working to increase it.  That says a lot to me....
by eagleye on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:41:19 PM EST
You want whiny?  Here's your whiny for you:

A parking lot owner in Gibsonville, NC, decided supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama are no longer welcome to use his property, WFMY's Julia Bagg reported.

Lot owner Tim Henderson posted two identical signs that warned: 'no parking' for Obama supporters or people with Obama bumper stickers."

"I don't expect to go after anybody with a baseball bat," Henderson said. "I would grin at them and laugh and ask them if they could read English."

State workers who have used the parking lot for years complained that the new rule infringed on their rights. Some had Obama/Biden stickers in their windows.

"It's telling me because I have a sticker or I believe in something, I'm not allowed to park here and this is where I park for work, I have to park here," said Dave Dicke, an Obama supporter.

Henderson initially said the signs would stay up through the November election.

After a local news station reported the story, Mayor Lenny Williams made an agreement with Henderson for the removal of the signs.



John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."
by Steven D on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 12:13:40 PM EST
I can't believe I am agreeing with Jeff Jacoby, but based on the bit you quoted here, I am. What is gained by encouraging lazy, apathetic, uninformed people to vote? I am not suggesting that anything should be done to stop them or even discourage them from voting, but isn't it better to have a smaller turnout by people who care enough to inform themselves, think carefully about their decisions, and vote according to that?

If I don't know enough about or understand an issue or a set of candidates, I leave that part of my ballot blank rather than make an arbitrary, uninformed vote. I'd far prefer to see people stay home if they can't be bothered to care or know about what they are voting for.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 12:52:50 PM EST
Well, in 2004, my 80-something parents stood for 2 hours in a line that stretched around the block. Fortunately, it didn't rain.

I started a fuss that resulted in redrawn precincts, but in 2006, my parents went to the polling place on their voter ID cards, two blocks from their house, and were told they had to vote at a place on the opposite side of the township, about 20 minutes. My father: "At the price of gas today, that amounts to a poll tax. That's illegal!"

I don't know what kind of obstacles they'll face this year. My mother's been frail lately. I, and they, surely do wish they could vote by mail.

by Joyful Alternative on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:32:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Most places you can vote by mail. You just have to lie and say you expect to be out of town on Election Day. If your parents don't feel OK about lying, just arrange an overnight trip for them. Usually out of the county is far enough.

For people of working age, it's even easier. "I expect to be on a business trip." "Oh, well, the trip was canceled."

by The Voice In The Wilderness on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:22:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I find myself in the same unpleasant position. The slick marketing of voting, enhanced by drive-by "convenience", brings the rite of democratic elections down yet further toward the significance of American Idol or an Internet poll or email petitions. Democracy was won through enormous struggle and sacrifice. I have to wonder how well it can survive when it's reduced to equivalency with choosing which potato peeler to buy from Amazon.

Early voting has been bothering me throughout this election cycle, even though it may happen to favor Obama this time around. It enables even more voting without information. It degrades the significance of voting as a democratic rite and right. The mail-in variation destroys the hard-won principle of the secret ballot, grossly encouraging the age-old evils of vote-buying and intimidation.

I can't see what good comes of degrading the fundamental ritual of democracy down to the level of buying a big mac. We do not respect what comes easy or cheap. I think we need to quit marketing and concentrate on making sure the right to vote is a reality for everybody -- that's the failure point in our system. It matters that everybody can vote. It matters just as much that voting remain something worth making an effort for.

Fortunately, my solution is something Jacobs would probably hysterically oppose: making election day a national holiday, say the last Wednesday in October or something. The real problem with voting now is that workers at the bottom of the pyramid are pressured not to take the time to vote. A holiday, with mandatory closing of all but essential businesses, would fix that while it restores the sacred trust that the right and privilege of voting was always supposed to be.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean

by DaveW on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 01:21:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree with you, except on one point. As a postal worker, I assure you that your mailed-in absentee ballot is scrupulously handled by the USPS. As a former Judge of Elections, let me go through the procedure once it is delivered. In Illinois, the absentee ballots are sent unopened to your local precinct. After the polls close, a check is made to see if you also came in. If you did, the ballot envelope is marked "Voted in Person" and sent unopened to storage with the other ballots. If you didn't vote in person, the envelope is opened, and the contents are placed in the ballot box without anyone looking at it. Really, no one looks at the handful of absentee ballots. Besides, being illegal, everyone is exhausted and in a hurry to get the damn things counted and then go home.

In Illinois, we have early voting but BY SEQUOIA MACHINE ONLY! Trust the US Mail, not some hackable voting machine.

Regarding the holiday, I believe most of Europe votes on Sunday afternoon. Precincts are small enough that the long lines are avoided. Of course, here in the USA, the Sarah Palins want you to spend all day Sunday in Church.

by The Voice In The Wilderness on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:37:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
enhanced by drive-by "convenience"

Bullshit!  Some of us are disabled.  Some of us have no cars.  Some of us are elderly.

Some of us are students, living on campus.  Some of us are business travelers or people on-call 24 hours.  Some of us are parents juggling jobs and kids with only a tight window for voting.  Some of us live in places where blizzards make driving or walking outdoors dangerous.

California usually has a long list of propositions, and there are probably other states where people might want to think about bond issues or school board members.  It isn't just the top of the ticket, but choices and decisions all the way down.  That takes time.

Mail-in ballots can be verified with an address and signature check.  If there are a bunch of names from one address, a check can be made to see if it is a frat house or senior center or whatever.  Mail-in ballots usually arrive early enough to get the checking out of the way before election day, and even afterward there is a period of time before the tally is certified.  In places with hackable machines (such as California), the paper mail-in ballot provides a backup.

Do you want to disenfranchise everybody except the chauffered rich and sunbelt dwellers?  (If it takes McCain 9 cars to go to Starbuck's for a morning coffee, how many are required to escort him to the polls?!?)

The circumstances I mention (elderly, disabled, student, etc.) apply to Republicans and Libertarians and Greenies as well as Democrats.  Snow falls on everyone.  So does old age.

Yet, we all have the Right to Vote.

My vote-by-mail ballot arrived 2 days ago. :)

by hauksdottir on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 03:49:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I believe the fact that a name and address is associated with a mail-in ballot is one of the arguments against the system.  

WRT taking ones time deciding: do Californians not get sample ballots before election day?  The voting booth is not a place to make your decisions, it's a place to record your choice.  

by Grep Agni on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:20:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Christ on a stick. We have Christian church services on Saturday, so people don't have to get up early on Sunday. Our whole lifestyle is founded and based on convenience and he's going to complain about absentee/mail-in ballots?
by map106 (map106) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 12:53:53 PM EST
Well, OK, if Jacoby is talking about absentee or mail-in ballots, then I absolutely disagree with him.

What a relief! Thinking I agreed with Jeff Jacoby was making me quite nervous.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 12:56:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
While there are some people who don't vote because they are lazy or don't care, the overwhelming majority of them don't do so because they are too honest and patriotic to participate in a blatantly corrupt and fraudulent system. It's nice to pretend that voting makes a difference and that the system isn't entirely controlled by the corporates but the reality is that all you're doing by voting is aiding and abetting the plutocrats and legitimizing their fraud. Go ahead and vote, but don't think for a moment it will make a difference. (I'm referring to federal elections, not state and local elections, which still have some legitimacy). But the US is a plutocracy not a democracy, and simply pretending that isn't so is a sign of apathy, not responsibility.
by mikep on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:08:07 PM EST
I understand and sympathize with what you say but just this once go to the polls and vote for Obama, bring your equally reticent friends.

If the election is stolen you have proved a point.

If Obama is inaugurated you will be a happy convert.

Where's the down side?

Bob

Bob Higgins Worldwide Sawdust http://worldwide-sawdust.com/blog

by BobHiggins (rlh974@yahoo.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 04:24:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Voting for Obama is not the answer for those who have the complaint voiced by Mikep.

"If Obama is inaugurated you will be a happy convert."

A convert to what exactly? Are you suggesting that would make someone a true believer in the American national electoral system? Hardly.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 05:09:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"the overwhelming majority of them don't do so because they are too honest and patriotic to participate in a blatantly corrupt and fraudulent system."

I am sympathetic to your point of view, but what evidence do you have for your claim that the overwhelming majority of Americans who do not vote refrain from going to the polls for this particular reason?

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:10:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
already has a poll test--again! They send absentees three huge (12 x 18) pages of tagboard, with an incredible range of projects. Then (surprise) you can't mail it unless you put 3 stamps on it (trick!) and it won't fit through some of the slots in mailboxes.

Michaela
by michaelmt (MrMichael_t@yahoo.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:10:15 PM EST
If you want to see voter fraud and abuse, just look to the efforts of the Republican party in Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004 where all kinds of people, usually black, were unable to vote because they had names that were only a few letters off of known ex convicts.  And, who makes those new fangled machines that every now and then manage to lose a certain number of votes often to the detriment of the Democrats?

 When the Rethuglicans call the Democrats on vote fraud, it is a classic case of projection.

All members of the frog pond are special.

by Daredevil Don on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:55:20 PM EST
Did I miss something? Did you read the article? Even if you only read the snippet Booman provided, how does that relate to low-information voters?

Sure, make Election Day (or I guess that should be election day) a holiday, but what correlation do mail-in/online/absentee ballots have with low-information voters?

by map106 (map106) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:55:48 PM EST
The snippet BooMan posted refers to lazy, apathetic voters. It is a very reasonable logical step from that to low-information since laziness and apathy generally do result in low or poor information.

Neither the snippet nor BooMan's remarks makes it clear that the writer is referring to absentee and mail-in voters. Therefore, BooMan risked some people misconstruing the point by not making it clear.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 05:04:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jacoby is trying to cast suspicion on the motives of those who cast absentee ballots and vote early by offering bogus arguments.  

In an age of "have-it-your-way" convenience, it may seem unreasonable to expect voters to wait until November to help choose a president, senator, or city councilor. Why not encourage them to vote in October or September or even August if they've made up their minds?

Here's why: Because voters who cast early ballots do so without benefit of all the information, analysis, and discussion that bloom in such profusion during the last weeks of an election campaign - the debates, the endorsements, the voter guides, the candidates' speeches, the heightened media attention.

What is significant about Election Day isn't so much the date itself; it's the focus that date provides for the process of democratic decision-making. No one thinks jurors should be allowed to render a verdict before hearing from the final witnesses and closing arguments. Theater critics don't skip the play's final act in order to write their review. For the same reason, Americans should vote on the first Tuesday in November, not whenever they're ready to "move on."

What does "Election Day" mean? It used to be the pinnacle of our civic religion, the gravely eloquent day when voting in America took place. Now it's just the day when voting comes to an end. Many changes are for the better, but this isn't one of them.

Some of the real reasons Republicans are afraid of early and absentee voting is revealed in the first comment -- absentee voting sidesteps several Republican strategies to suppress or steal the vote:

 Here are reasons to favor early voting:

  1. Computerized election fraud. Electronic voting machines are not secure. The results can easily be skewed by their manufacturers or by outside hackers: a couple percent in this county, a couple percent in that county, who can tell? With no audit trail, electronic voting is an invitation to undetectable election fraud on a mass scale. Voting early, on paper, doesn't ensure that your vote will be counted, but at least it produces a paper record that can be checked in the event that statistical red flags are found (as has happened in many elections in the past four years).

  2. Immunity to "October surprises". With the advent of short-attention-span mass media, polls swing wildly as one sensationalized attack ad follows another. Having the election on a single day encourages politicians to dump a salvo of false attack ads in the last week of the election: stirring up rancor among the public before the press has time to debunk the lies. Voting early gives people time to watch fact get sorted out from falsehood, and to consider their vote thoughtfully

 

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by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 08:22:04 PM EST
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I can't imagine voting by mail. I love to go down to my polling station and vote in person.

The lovely "I Voted" sticker is nice, too. I'm proud to wear that on my person for the day.


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