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Preview of the Third Debate

by BooMan
Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 10:44:33 PM EST

I'm glad Bob Schieffer is looking forward to moderating tomorrow's debate. I like Bob Schieffer. I don't watch Face the Nation, but that's because it is only a half an hour long, and I prefer the hour-long format. When I do see Schieffer in action, I generally like what I see. Schieffer is annoying in the exact same ways that all contemporary political pundits are annoying, but less so.

The first debate was at podiums and the second debate was townhall-style. Tomorrow's debate will be the sit-down variety, where the moderator and the two candidates share a table. I like the fact that the three debates are done in three different styles because it gives the voter a variety of perspectives by testing the candidates in different ways.

The sit-down style of debate is the most intimate and is generally thought to be the least conducive for personal attacks. There are several psychological reasons, for both the candidates and the viewing audience, why this is thought to be the case. It's much harder to level a personal attack at someone's face than it is when you are directing your remarks to a camera, a studio audience, or the moderator. From the viewer's point-of-view, it is perceived as rude to insult someone with whom you are sharing a table. For these reasons, sit-down debates tend to be both more chatty and more amiable. It won't be possible for McCain to repeat his performance from debate one, where he refused to acknowledge Obama's presence. And if he tries to repeat his stunt from debate two, referring to Obama as 'that one', it will come off very badly, indeed.

The topic of discussion for the third-debate will be domestic issues and, chief among them, the economy. That doesn't mean that Schieffer won't address any current issues in the campaign, though. There could be questions about William Ayers or ACORN or Sarah Palin's violations of the law or the thuggish behavior of the McCain-Palin supporters. Unfortunately for McCain, the format is not conducive to advancing his recent lines of attack. In a sense, the McCain-Palin efforts have been aimed at dehumanizing Obama, making him out to be mysterious, foreign, and radically out of the mainstream. But there is nothing more humanizing than sitting down at a table and having a chat about important issues.

If you've watched much in the way of Sunday morning political programs, you've probably noticed that senators tend to maintain a respectful decorum when you sit them down next to each other. It goes with the culture of the institution in which they serve. This common courtesy can be frustrating to partisans, but any breach in that protocol is jarring. People expect senators to disagree, but respectfully.

These circumstances put John McCain in quite a spot. His manhood has repeatedly been called into question, including by Barack Obama himself. As a result, John McCain has promised to bring up the issue of William Ayers, even though it can in no sense serve his interests to do so. This will be, after all, a debate that is largely focused on the economy and other pressing domestic issues. If McCain is very lucky, Bob Schieffer will raise the issue himself and give McCain an excuse to defend his honor by maliciously savaging the honor of his opponent. If Schieffer does not provide McCain with a natural in to bring up the wholly irrelevant Ayers, McCain will be compelled to shoehorn the issue into an answer to a question that is totally unrelated.

Either way, McCain will have to perform some kind of Jedi mind-trick to avoid giving the impression that he is an insufferable, out-of-touch, grumpy sore loser when he talks about William Ayers. And the same can be said of almost all of his campaign-trail talking points. McCain will score no points for rudeness, and he'll be eviscerated for passivity. He's painted himself into a box and the format allows for no easy route of egress.

Barack Obama, on the other hand, simply needs to maintain the high road. What could be easier than that?



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So, will McCain actually look at Obama this time?

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by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 10:59:41 PM EST
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by eagleye on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 11:09:43 PM EST
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by Daredevil Don on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 10:27:23 AM EST
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by Indianadem on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:35:45 PM EST
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Schieffer will give McCain an opening to "salvage his honor".  This is the one way that the Obama "why didn't he say it to my face" provocation of McCain may backfire - I suspect it will cause Schieffer to bring up the topic to take some heat off of McCain.

But then, given how the Obama camp has been handling things, I have to assume that they've already planned for this eventuality and know how to deal with it.

by nonynony on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 11:21:25 PM EST
I don't live in Philly anymore, but this took place five blocks from my former apartment, and in the office I would have been using to work for Obama.
by BooMan on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 12:08:07 AM EST
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by liberaljournal on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 01:49:00 AM EST
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Did you move to the burbs?
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 02:36:25 AM EST
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I heard McCain on the radio this morning saying he hopes he does "half as well tonight as Palin did against Old Joe Biden".

Forty-six percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed say Democrat Joe Biden won the debate, compared to 21 percent for Republican Sarah Palin.

Well........I couldn't agree more.  I also hope he does "half as well".

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:26:14 AM EST
Did he really call Joe old?  

Pot, meet kettle.

by CabinGirl on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:30:05 AM EST
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Yes, he did call him "Old Joe Biden".  Though I think the tape I heard was probably from a campaign rally in the last day.


"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:40:30 AM EST
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by CabinGirl on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:45:23 AM EST
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So if you were McCain, how would you handle the debate?  He needs a game changer.  Collegial courtesy won't do it for him.  Will papa have to scold the youngster for hanging around with the wrong sort?

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."
by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:27:44 AM EST
Well, if I were McCain I'd call a press conference sometime well before the debate and apologize to the American people for wasting their time with my nonsense.  I would then endorse Barack Obama and say "Please, for the love of Mike, don't vote for me - I don't know crap about anything and if you make me your President this whole country's going in the crapper.  I mean, look at who I chose as a running mate.  What kind of judgment is that?  If I had any real ideas I'd be out there campaigning on them - instead I'm wasting time with this Bill Ayers and ACORN nonsense.  I've got nothing."  I would then proceed to cancel the debate and all future campaign functions, find one of my 7 houses to hunker down in, and have a good night's sleep without the need for any Ambien because I'd finally done the right thing for a change.  And I'd probably get close to 45% of the popular vote after that speech, despite asking people not to vote for me.  I'd also probably wait until after the election and then announce my intention to retire from the Senate as soon as a replacement could be voted in/appointed by the governor (however Arizona does things) and then have my wife buy me an island in the Caribbean to retire to.

But I imagine McCain won't do any of those things and will instead either lapse into his Grampa Simpson schtick one last time or make the mistake of trying to call Obama out on the Ayers thing.  I find it hard to believe that Grampy would go in there with the Ayers thing, given that Obama has basically told him he's not only ready but anxious to go with it.  But we'll see - Grampy isn't exactly playing with all 52 cards in his deck these days.

by nonynony on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 08:55:48 AM EST
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So you think 45% of American's would vote for a guy who doesn't want the job and says he isn't able to do it?  What does that say about Americans?

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."
by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 09:09:57 AM EST
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Well, I'm of the belief that 40% of Americans will vote for anything with the right letter next to its name in an election cycle, so McCain picks up those votes purely by having an (R) next to his name on the ballot.

The other 5% comes from undecided voters who vote not with their brains but with their emotions.  A heartfelt speech about what a terrible person he's been on this campaign would sway some people into thinking "boy, what an honest guy" and get their votes.

(Of course, that 40% would be so unenthused that a light rain would probably keep them from voting at all, so it probably would end up being less than 45% in the end.  Still, I think he actually would pick up votes from where he is now if he conceded the election today and apologized for wasting everyone's time.  We're a weird country.)

by nonynony on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 10:22:14 AM EST
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I just don't see how Mac can convince anyone on economic issues. It's his weakest point and Obama has outclassed him in the previous two debates.

I think the capital gains tax cut and the "Resurgence" mortgage plan are terrible ideas. That he and his people had to throw this together at the last minute makes for a really poor way of doing things. I do hope people recognize that.


On such meetings do fates of nations turn.

by robertdsc on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 10:18:43 AM EST
Bob Schieffer of CBS, a journalist I have some respect for (although his Texas-born partiality to W. emerged now and then over the years), is moderator for the third and final debate tonite. Everyone is wondering how McCain will bring his promised "Bill Ayers" attack to the floor.

I saw a T-shirt yesterday that read "Bill Ayers - Who Cares?"  Apparently McCain does. However, the debate rules, unless they are violated all around, will probably work against any kind of sustained attack with no follow-up questions, etc. Both sides, but especially the Republicans, worked hard to keep these debates as non-debate-ish as possible, and McCain (and Obama) may regret it afterward.

If Schieffer spends as much time tonite as Brokaw did insisting on the rules, this could be another potentially boring event.

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by btchakir (btchakir) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 11:34:41 AM EST


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