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Deep Thought

by BooMan
Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:55:01 PM EST

I can't really even express the kind of despair I would feel if the polls showed that John McCain's racist gambit was actually working. The fact that ARG (admittedly an unreliable pollster) has Obama up by 8% in West Virginia makes me feel much better about my fellow Americans, my friends.

Deep Thought | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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I'm not worried about the polls. What I worry about are what the angry deadenders will do if Obamna wins.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:59:03 PM EST

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you know what happens to an engine when the timing belt goes? It just chews everything up. That's how I see this election shaping up. The GOP will be left leaderless, without a going ideology, and with a base about as appealing as NoQuarter.

by BooMan on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:05:21 PM EST
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So what happens at the debate next week?

Will McCain raise the Ayers question? His courage has been questioned...

Should Obama pre-empt him? Methinks that the internals that the Obama camp is looking at are reflecting backlash at McCain - why else are Biden and Obama mocking McCain's courage? Surely they must know this gets under McCain's fighter pilot skin and causes him to instinctively to react.

At first I dreaded this exchange. Typical Democrat, waiting for the other shoe to drop. But Obama's political jujitsu ability is just fun to watch - I'm glad he's on our side. I've never seen the right so frustrated at their inability to make their silly arguments stick - remember the purple heart bandaids?

by granitestater on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:51:28 PM EST
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Obama's got McCain psyched out. He's in his head. Because of his daddy and grandaddy, and then his wife, McCain has never faced real opposition. In this respect he's just like Bush. Both are cowards. He didn't expect Obama to stand up to him, and he doesn't know what to do. And Obama knows how to diddle him. As Willie Mays said, 'Say hey'.

Knut

by Knut Wicksell (b_didnn@hotmail.ca) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 10:25:12 PM EST
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"...the GOP will be left leaderless..."
Not exactly. Its leader will be Sarah Palin. Much of what's left of the party will then bolt and it will be what it has been becoming for a long time, the American fascist party.

by priscianus jr on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:23:16 PM EST
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They'll be yelling "Voter Fraud!"

by sjct on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:00:43 PM EST
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And if he doesn't win, we'll hear the same cry. The good news? Both left and right are waking up to the rigging of the vote in this country.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:04:18 PM EST
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Yeah, but the right's view of voter fraud is a fiction used to justify purging voters.

by ericy on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 08:27:13 AM EST
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1932 - causes and remedies (none / 1)

1932
This and the next year are the worst years of the Great Depression. For 1932, GNP falls a record 13.4 percent; unemployment rises to 23.6 percent.
Industrial stocks have lost 80 percent of their value since 1930.
10,000 banks have failed since 1929, or 40 percent of the 1929 total.
About $2 billion in deposits have been lost since 1929.
Money supply has contracted 31 percent since 1929.
GNP has also fallen 31 percent since 1929.
Over 13 million Americans have lost their jobs since 1929.
Capital growth investments have dropped from $16.2 billion to 1/3 of one billion since 1929.
Farm prices have fallen 53 percent since 1929.
International trade has fallen by two-thirds since 1929.
The Fed makes its first major expansion of the money supply since February 1930.
Congress creates the Reconstruction Finance Corporation.
Congress passes the Federal Home Loan Bank Act and the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932.
Top tax rate is raised from 25 to 63 percent.
Popular opinion considers Hoover's measures too little too late. Franklin Roosevelt easily defeats Hoover in the fall election. Democrats win control of Congress.
At his Democratic presidential nomination, Roosevelt says: "I pledge you, I pledge myself, to a new deal for the American people."

I bolded the one I want to start with. The above is from this Timeline of the Great Depression. Interesting reading.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:03:19 PM EST

Recommended Reading (none / 0)

Conquer the Crash by Robert Prechter

If the herd is a contrary indicator, then all the anodynes from politicians, corporate executives, and the media argue against economic recovery and smooth sailing ahead. Consumers, too. One anecdotal sign is when living in a hot housing market, we talk about our houses the way we yammered about stocks during the last boom. Ever hear, "Thank goodness the appreciation of our house makes up for our devastating stock losses [nervous laughter]"? Worse, we're apparently throwing money at real estate in sizzling markets the same way we used to at stocks.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:34:36 PM EST
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It's also worth noting that if the New Deal safeguards had been left alone since then, the current crisis might not be happening. But no, we had to have Reagan and Bushes because the Free Market was not being allowed to work its magic. Welcome to the magic kingdom.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean

by DaveW on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:35:04 PM EST
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Bush will speak to the nation tomorrow, tell us not to worry.

Yeah and some will still believe.

Go back to 1929-32 read the "spin" - same as today.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:37:10 PM EST
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More 'Unreliable' Data (none / 1)

Gallup: Obama at 52% and leads by 11%

These results, based on Oct. 6-8 polling, include one day of interviewing after Tuesday's debate in Nashville and come amid continuing consumer anxiety about the economy.

RealClearPolitics - Virginia

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:33:25 PM EST

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I have spent most of today trolling around sites like newpapers in Ohio and Pittsburgh, reading comments by the folks in those locations and "my friends" what they are saying is not good. Hopefully these are the base conservatives and it's not too widespread. Anyway it's very disturbing the way some of these people have been riled up and as was pointed out in more than one location, this is not good even if O wins. To start out a presidency with "terroist" over your head is not good for the outlook of this whole country.
I think McCain has done a great diservice to this country and I find that unforgivable.
I think it will not be long before we see fights break out between the two groups.

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:36:15 PM EST

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notice McCain says Obama's Ayers association is a character issue.

Prof. Larry Sabato was just up on Bloomberg discussing Obama's lead, saying the economic pain is the issue not character.

Those Mutual Fund and Retirement Statements are on their way. Cities and towns are laying off workers. GM is teetering, contributing to the market's carnage today.

And that AIG exec $440K retreat item isn't playing well with Joe Sixpack either.

This election may surprise

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:46:45 PM EST
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Well Franklin Roosevelt was reviled by the right wing also when he assumed office, and called a traitor and a communist. We have to hope for the same sort of result he had.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:55:21 PM EST
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Don't forget the coup attempt against FDR. Thankfully it failed, but history sometimes repeats itself. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there wasn't a plot boiling somewhere this very minute.

"Only when we are no longer afraid do we begin to live." Dorothy Thompson, Journalist

by Indianadem on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 10:40:11 PM EST
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I would feel despair, too, but it would be the same despair that's been going on for decades about the real face of America. The apparent failure so far of the usual neo-fascist playbook is the strongest evidence since at least the Civil Rights battles that real cultural change is in the air, and that for once the pure evil that McCain/Palin has embraced might not be the default winner. After so many promises of a new day, I find it stunning to see signs of one dawning. Thanks to McCain going all in on the demonic side, an Obama victory will mark the true start of a new Millennium.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean

by DaveW on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:44:57 PM EST

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I think we're honestly getting to the "cornered wolverine" part of the scenario. The GOP has no way out that we can see right now.

Bush is still President right now. McSame is dying on stage. It's getting to the point where the GOP may not be able to steal the elections. The economy is burning in a lake of phosphorus, the flames unquenchable.

The populace is approaching dangerous levels of sentience.

In the coming days we'll find out what Bush/Cheney's Plan Z is...the one in the back of the book. That plan scares the shit out of me, because plans A through Y have already failed or they know it won't succeed.

What is the October Surprise?

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:06:50 PM EST

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Well we know what Cheney (and McCain/Palin too) wants it to be: Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:20:53 PM EST
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The October Surprise is where Bush just walks away.

He's been waiting to give this up for a long time now. And despite the fevered dreams of many of us, he knows that the chances that he ever gets any kind of comeuppance for what he's done is practically nil (as long as he stays in the country, of course - all bets are off if he makes the mistake of stepping onto foreign soil). So he'll retire to Dallas and hope to God that the people he's always considered to be friends are still willing to talk to him.

Cheney is also walking away. Again, he knows he's not going to ever have to pay for anything he's done, so there's no incentive to monkeywrench. He'll retire somewhere (again in the US - no Italian villas for Cheney) and go to ground. He'll monkey around in the background but he's not very well respected among the Republicans anymore, he's made himself a toxic brand.

So surprise! No surprise. McCain may be in it to win it, but Bush has never really had much loyalty to anyone but himself. No martial law. No extraordinary powers. Bush runs out the clock and throws the hot potato to whoever wins the election. Then moves to Texas and finds himself the most conservative neighborhood in Dallas to buy a house in and hopes that the 25% of the population that doesn't hate his guts are his neighbors.

by nonynony on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 09:59:14 PM EST
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One can hope, Booman.

One day at a time.

On such meetings do fates of nations turn.

by robertdsc on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:41:27 PM EST

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I was stunned too. I don't believe ARG, but last poll in WV had Obama down by 4. I'm willing to accept that, because down by 4 - IN FRIGGING WEST VIRGINIA.

keep the faith.

by rikyrah on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 01:10:55 AM EST

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