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On Obama and the Netroots

by BooMan
Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 03:21:48 PM EST

James Kirchick likes to crow about how the Netroots don't matter. There are a few former (Republican and Democrat) office holders that might beg to differ. But, Kirchick is right about one thing. If Obama listened to the Netroots' advice all the time he wouldn't be president-elect. However, the FISA bill is not one of those examples. The FISA vote was excessive and unnecessary caution and it was Obama's biggest mistake. Having said that, he generally ignored the Netroots' advice and, for the most part, he was wise to do so. He ran a far smarter and more disciplined campaign than I could have ever dreamed up.



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It's amazing to me the lack of motivation on the part of the self-important Netroots to do anything without drama prompting them.  Obama's filling out his cabinet and administration with people are already in office.  If the so-called "leaders" of the Netroots had any real leadership in them, they'd be out there with list of "progressives" they'd like to see fill these empty slots.  Is no one curious as to what kind of Democrat will be filling these Congressional, Senatorial and Gubernatorial seats?  Is the Netroots rallying behind some Representatives to get them into the Senate?  What about retired or inactive Democrats who are acceptable to the Netroots?

Two weeks and I've heard nothing.  I contact friends in other states, asking them who's up for filling a vacant seat and they want to talk procedure.  I know procedure, but do they want more Lieberman's or more Ryan's?  Seems no one really cares.  Instead we get two weeks of whining about all the former Clintonites in the administration, which is amusing and annoying to me at the same time.  

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 09:17:55 PM EST
That would make a "fun" game.

Name a person for each Cabinet position that is

a)progressive

and

b)has no experience in the Clinton administrations, a major bugaboo of many on the left.

Kind of cuts the list down a bit, no?


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by robertdsc on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 08:25:15 AM EST
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Wow. It's like you didn't even read my comment. Talk about missing the point.  


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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 11:49:16 AM EST
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Most of the "netroots" is people who like to bitch, and who are often simply not clear about the real dimensions of problems. They are excessively pure in many cases - there is no compromising when you are composing posts.  

I see some proactive thinking, but not much.  

I will agree with Boo on FISA - I think that it was excessive caution.  

by dataguy on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 09:49:17 AM EST
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you're reading the wrong blog.  Openleft has come up with several people.   So have the diaries at Kos.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 01:25:55 PM EST
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As soon as Obama defeated Hillary Clinton, he turned INTO Hillary Clinton.
At that point McCain was doomed to crash yet again.

By the way, I just heard, and this is no joke, Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal are in Iowa doing retail politics with an eye toward 2012.  
 

by Ed J on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 06:06:14 PM EST
I don't know that there is such a thing as Netroots. There was a lot of frantic advice that he should go all-out left, stand by Wright, attack Bushist ideology, etc. There was also plenty of the usual Dem/liberal chickenshit about how he should play to the center-right, never speak of race, and generally say nothing that would make the wingnuts mad.

To my eye, he started out following the latter, then later moved more toward the former. What we out here tend not to see is the arc of a campaign -- probably because it's been so many years since a Dem campaign had one.

Given the seeming center-right (Clintonite) thrust of his current decisions, I'm hoping his administration develops in a pattern similar to his campaign. I have a feeling that it will. The overanxious gnashing of teeth by folks like Sirota seems kind of absurd at this point -- he's not even going to be in office for some time yet. I think he's earned some slack before we get hysterical about every little nuance we can detect.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean

by DaveW on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 06:25:58 PM EST
So you're hoping that once the initial crisis is over he can move to the right of Clitonism?
by MNPundit on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:28:58 PM EST
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by MNPundit on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:29:16 PM EST
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Not parsing your meaning. You think his campaign was more rightish in its last month than its first? I don't see that at all.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 01:28:23 PM EST
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Does this post contain any logic? I fail to see it.
by map106 (map106) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:03:05 PM EST
I don't know, does it?
by BooMan on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:48:16 PM EST
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Saying we are too stupid to listen to, but you should listen to us on Fisa.

I really don't see why we should be taken seriously if we are dismissive of ourselves.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 01:28:52 PM EST
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not in a trumped-up loose complex of political activists named netroots.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 02:06:27 AM EST
Which is exactly why I will not criticize the Lieberman vote.
by Chief on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 06:23:18 AM EST
As long as Obama can count on the support of the netroots without suffering consequences, the netroots don't matter in the least.

But as Double G says, why are we surprised by that?

It's important not to generalize.  It's impossible to quantify, but I think the vast majority of Obama supporters were perfectly clear-eyed about what he is and voted for him for the standard unremarkable reasons -- that they perceived him as better than the alternatives.  But there is no question that Obama has inspired among many Democrats a type of deep and intense loyalty that is personal to Obama rather than grounded in policy issues, that many see him as much more than a politician who will make good political decisions.  That gives him far more latitude to do what he wants -- far more power -- than the average politician has.

Add to that the fact that the one thing that Republicans, establishment Democrats and Beltway pundits all share more than anything else is a contempt for what they perceive as "the Left" and a belief that it should be scorned -- see here and here -- and none of this should be the least bit surprising.  Obama pays no price, and garners many benefits, by embracing the center-right and scorning "the Left."  It's this dynamic that needs to change in order for the outcomes to change.

Meet the new boss.

Same as the old boss.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 03:28:04 PM EST


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