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Remember When Obama was Insane?

by Steven D
Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:00:38 PM EST

It wasn't that long ago. Remember when Obama mentioned on the campaign trail that he would attack terrorists in Pakistan if he had actionable intelligence, and everyone on the right went ape shit about how that would be a violation of Pakistani sovereignty?

... McCain stated that “political change in Pakistan is occurring that might effect our relationship with a nuclear armed nation that is indispensable to our success in combating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and elsewhere.” A vote for Obama, said McCain, can push into office “the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally Pakistan.”

Over a week ago, President Bush made a similar attack on Obama, stating, “The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he’s going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmedinejad.”

Well, times have changed boys and girls. After Mumbai, Pakistani sovereignty is apparently now off the table. At least that's what Neocon Robert Kagan is urging "the world" to do, and the sooner the better, apparently:

Have the international community declare that parts of Pakistan have become ungovernable and a menace to international security. Establish an international force to work with the Pakistanis to root out terrorist camps in Kashmir as well as in the tribal areas. This would have the advantage of preventing a direct military confrontation between India and Pakistan. It might also save face for the Pakistani government, since the international community would be helping the central government reestablish its authority in areas where it has lost it. But whether or not Islamabad is happy, don't the international community and the United States, at the end of the day, have some obligation to demonstrate to the Indian people that we take attacks on them as seriously as we take attacks on ourselves?

Would such an action violate Pakistan's sovereignty? Yes, but nations should not be able to claim sovereign rights when they cannot control territory from which terrorist attacks are launched. If there is such a thing as a "responsibility to protect," which justifies international intervention to prevent humanitarian catastrophe either caused or allowed by a nation's government, there must also be a responsibility to protect one's neighbors from attacks from one's own territory, even when the attacks are carried out by "non-state actors."

Funny how when Bush was still the leader of the free world Pakistan was our ally and conservatives urged us to ignore the Pakistani government's many failures to root out fanatical extremists in their midst, and to respect Pakistan's sovereign authority over its own territory, if only out of respect for their nuclear weapons capability. Yet now everything has changed. Now with King George essentially having abdicated the throne, and with Iraq and the US committed to a complete withdrawal of US military forces under the recently approved Status of Forces Agreement, neocons like Kagan feel free to unleash their inner warmonger against Pakistan, this former stalwart ally in the War on Terror.

There are a million reasons why this scheme of Kagan's wouldn't work, starting with the fact that the only country willing to sign on to this new international coalition with America is India, Pakistan's chief adversary, and ending with the fact that no government in Pakistan could survive an agreement to allow an international force to takeover jurisdiction of its territory. Indeed, any move in this direction would be more likely to spark a nuclear confrontation in the region than avoid one.

Indeed, such idiotic proposals as the one suggested by Kagan arguably provide aid to the extremist factions in Pakistan's military and Intelligence Services who must be hoping against hope for just such a response from the "international community." Fear of invasion by foreigners always helps the most radical elements in any society attain political power because it allows them to play the patriotism card. Something tells me we don't want to undermine the fragile return to democratic government in Pakistan, nor do we want to see the most fanatical religious elements of Pakistan's military obtain control over its nuclear arsenal. Yet that is what Kagan's approach to the crisis between India and Pakistan would invariably lead to.

Hopefully, Obama's foreign policy team includes no one stupid enough to listen to neoconservative fantasists such as Kagan whose only solution to terrorism has always been an unending stream of gun, bombs, missiles and American soldiers occupying foreign countries. Hopefully.



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Funny how when Bush was still the leader of the free world Pakistan was our ally and conservatives urged us to ignore the Pakistani government's many failures to root out fanatical extremists in their midst, and to respect Pakistan's sovereign authority over its own territory, if only out of respect for their nuclear weapons capability. Yet now everything has changed.

I may be misremembering, but IIRC McCain never had a problem with Obama's view on Pakistan.  What McCain's problem was was that Obama said it out loud.  McCain's complaint - and he brought it up in at least one of the debates - is that you don't "tell everyone" that you're going to violate their sovereignty.  It was the putting it out in the open and acknowledging that yes, US policy is to launch an airstrike into a nation we're not at war with if they're not cooperating with us that McCain had a problem with, not the actual policy itself.

I think, though I don't have any examples at hand to back it up, that Clinton's complaint was similar.  It was part of the whole "inexperienced" attack on Obama.  It wasn't that what he said was all that outlandish (though in a sane world it actually SHOULD be outlandish to approve bombing runs into countries that we're not actually at war with) but rather that he was so openly transparent about what US policy actually was.  It seemed like a fairly cynical tactic on both of their parts to me at the time - of course that's what the US would do, everyone in the fracking world knows that's what the US would do, but they were in shock that he'd actually say it out loud and be somewhat honest about it instead of coming up with some kind of euphemism or brushing the question off.

by nonynony on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:37:14 PM EST
...nations should not be able to claim sovereign rights when they cannot control territory from which terrorist attacks are launched. ...

One could utilize such thinking to invade Washington D.C. for any number of actions it has undertaken.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 04:08:40 PM EST


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