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On a side note, he does realize that "Rembrandt" is a first name not a last one, right?

by moreaxe (moreaxe@gmail.com) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM EST

I think she took a dump on his aspirations of being the junior senator from New York.

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 06:26:53 PM EST

I think she will be a fine, progressives senator. I too will support her and work for her and I am sure she will get strong union backing. The Kennedys have demonstrated over the years that they are top quality.

Plus she has written a book and passed the bar exam. How could anyone in their right mind compare her to Sarah Palin? Crazy, indeed.

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Dongi 2 on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 08:29:38 PM EST

When I look at all of the pitiful, pathetic, caving Senators in Congress that came up through the political system, I'd rather take my chances with Caroline.

by Buckhorn Okie on Tue Dec 23rd, 2008 at 02:26:17 AM EST

I like this comment!

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Dongi 2 on Tue Dec 23rd, 2008 at 09:41:41 AM EST
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Sorry Booman...they're right. (none / 0)

On a purely political level, they are right on the money. She's gonna be a hard fix to enforce.

She is a weak candidate, without the public pizzaz or the political experience of even that lame loser Sexy Sarah.

She has literally nothing but her name and bloodline to recommend her. I mean...she may be a very nice, very intelligent woman; I really do not know. But thrown into that shark tank called the Senate? Fuggedaboudit!!! She'll just be a front woman for whatever they tell her should go down.

As are, of course, any number of other Senators.

But they will keep trying.

Why?

Because they...and by they I mean the Obamas...are going to need EVERY LAST DROP OF POLITICAL MOJO THAT THEY CAN SQUEEZE OUT OF THE DEMRAT SYSTEM AS IT NOW STANDS if they wish to be able to push through the kinds of changes that are going to be necessary in order for us to survive as a nation over the next several years.

Will they succeed?

I dunno.

The Blagojevitch thing may have drained their reserve tank already. We shall see. Paterson is a second generation Dem pol, so he certainly knows how things really work. (Which is very much the way Blagojevitch claimed that they work on those tapes, of course. The real fuss over those tapes? They...and this "they" includes almost the entire politcal/corporate structure of America and the rest of the so-called "civilized" world...don't want the sucker public to see the inner workings of government. The big fix. Just in Illinois? Give me a break!!! EVERYWHERE!!! Bet on it.)

We shall see.

The vectors are a'pushin' and a'pullin' as we speak.

We shall soon see.

Later...

A

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 04:23:21 PM EST

Re: Sorry Booman...they're right. (4.00 / 2)

One thing she has to recommend her is that she hasn't had one thing to do with Albany other than, perhaps, asking them to fund schools.

In New Jersey it was a little bit unsettling to see Goldman Sachs exec Jon Corzine buy a senate and then the governer's seat. But he beat anyone the NJ Dem political party could produce because he hadn't dirtied himself with pay for play politics.

Of course, we all know that Corzine had been operating on an entirely different level from the alderman from Patterson...

Whatever.

The Kennedys operate on another level, too.

by BooMan on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 04:34:42 PM EST
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Only on another level of pay for play, B. (none / 0)

Bet on it.

A "better" level"?

I dunno about that.

That's getting near the level where wars are started.

Pay for prey.

And yes...that also is the level that produces the (OH so rare!!!) RFK.

We shall see...

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 05:20:37 PM EST
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Re: Only on another level of pay for play, B. (none / 0)

it's also about the only way wars get stopped.

by BooMan on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 07:39:34 PM EST
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Re: Only on another level of pay for play, B. (none / 0)

That too.

A wash?

Does it make any difference?

The media is already making up the public's mind to accept the appointment.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 08:13:25 PM EST
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Re: Sorry Booman...they're right. (none / 1)

why is she a weak candidate?

i think she is in the lead in polls so far

although i have no idea who else they are mentioning as running or being named also.

she is kinda quiet and mousey and not such a good speaker

same as casey...he got elected

she is certainly progressive in my opinion regardless of what kos says....she is FOR gay marriage....period....thats more progressive and brave than our dear pres elect.

or the current senator from ny

as far as qualifications didnt we just go thru this with obama? he wasnt the most qualified....people supported him for his ideas....caroline kennedy has written books and has opinions and ideas i can get behind.

and im really perplexed that anyone would compare her to palin...palin wasnt qualified to read a book caroline kennedy wrote much less be a president....kennedy isnt running for president she is running for senate.....do senators really do anything except get their agendas based on their ideas promoted in congress? they hire staff who does all the legwork. they vote....is there any doubt she will be a progressive vote in the senate? that she would EVER vote for an anti choice scotus nominee, which we could never count on someone like casey to do. i wonder how her brother, who took what 3 tries to pass the bar, would be treated if he was the one who wanted a senate seat.

i would vote for her and i will do whatever i can to help her get elected.

she really should get a real dog though.

by anna in philly (flymetothemoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 06:56:34 PM EST
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Re: Sorry Booman...they're right. (none / 0)

I really have no idea what kind of dog she has.

Her uncle Bobby had a Newf named Brumis, which only proves that he was the coolest brother.

by BooMan on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 07:40:25 PM EST
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Re: Sorry Booman...they're right. (none / 1)

by BooMan on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 07:41:36 PM EST
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Re: Sorry Booman...they're right. (none / 0)

did you see the dancing newfs on animal planet and you tube?

honey the dancing dane is better but its really amazing to see those big guys dancing when you know all they want to do is lay down on a cushy rug and slobber.

by anna in philly (flymetothemoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 07:56:28 PM EST
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Re: Sorry Booman...they're right. (none / 0)

no, I should go look for the YouTube.

by BooMan on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 08:10:23 PM EST
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You just answered your own question. (none / 0)

...although I have no idea who else they are mentioning as running or being named also.

That's how the fix works.

She is a weak candidate, anna.

I didn't say that she is "wrong" in her positions.

I'm not wrong in many of my positions and I write/speak much better than she does but I would not be a very good candidate for the Senate.

Why?

No name, no resume, no sure millions coming in just because I'm there. Nor is that sort of potential upside in line behind any other potential candidate. Andrew Cuomo? A pro. A working pro. I like pros, by and large. I am a pro, ( a professional musician) and I defy any amateur in the world to do even half as good a job as I do on a daily basis no matter what their family connections might be. And...he is a liberal pro, the son of one of the few effective liberal politicians in the U.S. over the past 30 years or so. But the Cuomo name doesn't pull the same weight as the Kennedy name, so...you're not hearing about him.

So it goes.

Later...

That's why they are trying to fix the appointment.

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 08:10:53 PM EST
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she has a poodle

hmmmmm

i dont think i can respect someone who chooses a poodle as a dog

by anna in philly (flymetothemoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 06:43:50 PM EST

My family had a toy poodle when I was a teenager. Poodles are too smart to be dogs, and too sensitive.

by Joyful Alternative on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 09:11:57 PM EST
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I think it's a Shakespeare play:

Much Ado over Nothing.

I also don't think she should get the job and can't for the life of me see what's she's ever done to deserve it, other than keep her nose clean, but, honestly, in the long run, big deal.

by The Farmer (pineviewfarm@comcast.net) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 07:26:56 PM EST

what exactly qualifies a person to be a senator?

do people realize that the people who come up thru the system are the ones who are already bought and paid for by the time they get to the senate level?

they already owe everybody and their mistress for where they are and for their organizations and fundraising....whats the difference between them and people who had a dad for a president when she was 5?

she is smart, she has accomplished quite a lot...a lot more than many of the people we have supported for congress around here....im just thinking of all the men we have supported because they were veterans....that was it....we have had stars in our eyes over quite a few army navy boys because why? we thought we could get a few old white male votes from the suburbs if we ran veterans for congress?

lots of double standards

lots

read one of caroline's books and tell me you dont agree with her platform.

she is exactly what the senate needs.

by anna in philly (flymetothemoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 07:53:17 PM EST
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The Columbia Journalism Review focuses on something I've been noticing too:

In yesterday's front-page story exploring Caroline Kennedy's name recognition in her bid for New York's vacant Senate seat, The New York Times made an observation: "Ms. Kennedy, who declared last week that she would like to succeed Hillary Rodham Clinton as the junior senator from New York, is in many ways embarking on a test of the enduring power of her politically royal name."
Too true. Yet one can't help but pause for a moment, reading this meditation on the "enduring power" of Ms. Kennedy's name, and remember that, until recently, "Ms. Kennedy" was, per the Times, not "Ms. Kennedy" at all, but "Ms. Schlossberg"--the married name by which, for the past twenty-odd years, the media have generally designated the princess of Camelot.
Now that said princess seems to be making movements toward reclaiming her crown...the media seem to be having a bit of a vicarious identity crisis on her behalf. What should they call Caroline? Should what they call her really matter? (Insert your favorite what's in a name? cliche here.) Technically, Caroline Bouvier Kennedy's name is...Caroline Bouvier Kennedy, or "Caroline Kennedy" for short: When she married Edwin Schlossberg in 1986, Caroline didn't become, strictly speaking, a Schlossberg. ("You don't use the name Schlossberg, do you?" Larry King asked her in a 2002 interview. "I mean, you do and you don't." To which she responded, "Right. Well, I never really changed my name.")
But Caroline's own Kennedy-uber-alles attitude toward her surname didn't stop the media from re-naming Jack and Jackie's daughter on her behalf. Between 1986 and early 2008, according to Nexis and newspaper archive searches, most publications generally referred to Caroline as "Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg." As if to solidify the point, they generally shorthanded her subsequent references not to "Ms. Kennedy Schlossberg"--but simply to "Ms. Schlossberg."

by maryb2004 on Tue Dec 23rd, 2008 at 12:57:45 AM EST

I noticed that, too. But Hillary lost the Rodham when it became inconvenient. Caroline's just keeping the tradition.

by BooMan on Tue Dec 23rd, 2008 at 01:02:25 AM EST
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heh

In my comment I originally ended with a statement that this seemed like a double standard when you consider what Hillary went through with the media when she tried to add her own name back as a middle name. But I decided I didn't want to argue with you about Hillary.

According to this article Caroline hasn't done much of anything. This seems to have been the media's doing.

by maryb2004 on Tue Dec 23rd, 2008 at 01:08:36 AM EST
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