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Food for Thought on Clinton's Campaign

by Steven D
Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:02:01 AM EST

After my post yesterday (and the comments it generated) asking Clinton supporters to make their case for her nomination, I decided to peruse the internet to see what other arguments there might be for nominating her, or not, as the Democratic candidate this Fall. That is, other than those made by her supporters in that thread, and other than those that point to flaws, ambiguities, concerns, etc. regarding Obama. And I managed to find something that was new to me, which I thought I'd pass along for your consideration this morning.

What I came across appeared in the New York Times as an op-ed piece yesterday by Nicholas Kristof, who makes the case that historically, women rulers have done, on average, a better job than their male counterparts. Nonetheless, he finds women who have held the highest elective offices in democracies to have been mediocre leaders for the most part. Surprising? Confusing? Sexist? Well, let's examine the basis for his claims:

While no woman has been president of the United States — yet — the world does have several thousand years’ worth of experience with female leaders. And I have to acknowledge it: Their historical record puts men’s to shame. [...]

Research by political psychologists points to possible explanations. Scholars find that women, compared with men, tend to excel in consensus-building and certain other skills useful in leadership. If so, why have female political leaders been so much less impressive in the democratic era? Margaret Thatcher was a transformative figure, but women have been mediocre prime ministers or presidents in countries like Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Philippines and Indonesia. Often, they haven’t even addressed the urgent needs of women in those countries.

I have a pet theory about what’s going on. [...]

In one common experiment, the “Goldberg paradigm,” people are asked to evaluate a particular article or speech, supposedly by a man. Others are asked to evaluate the identical presentation, but from a woman. Typically, in countries all over the world, the very same words are rated higher coming from a man.

In particular, one lesson from this research is that promoting their own successes is a helpful strategy for ambitious men. But experiments have demonstrated that when women highlight their accomplishments, that’s a turn-off. And women seem even more offended by self-promoting females than men are.

So what is this "Goldberg paradigm" to which Kristoff refers, and how valid is it? Are ambitious women at an inherent disadvantage because of subtle prejudices against female self promotion which manifest across both male and female populations? And what does that suggest regarding the effectiveness of women leaders? Bear with me a little as I explore the world of social interaction and gender bias research:

(cont.)

How Are Men and Women in Leadership Positions Judged Differently?

Women and men are not perceived and treated as equal in leadership roles. Rather there is consistent evidence for an evaluative bias that relates high competence to low likeability in women but not in men (Carli & Eagly, 1999; Deaux, 1998; Heilman, 2001; Ridgeway, 1997, 2001). The fact that this does not happen to men in the same situation provides clear evidence for gender-based double standards in the working world. [...]

. . . The results of the most recent meta-analysis on Goldberg-paradigm studies (based on information from 49 studies) showed that men were preferred for jobs rated as masculine gender-typed with d = .34, and women were preferred for jobs rated as feminine gender-typed with d = -.26 (Davison & Burke, 2000). Given that leadership roles are usually masculine gender-typed, results of this research suggest a bias against female candidates for such positions (Eagly & Karau, 2002).

However, Goldberg-paradigm studies so far have only been conducted with written material, not with dynamic visual material, which, when included, comes much closer to the reality of hiring or promotion situations. [...]

. . . In this study, gender construction was assessed with material of high social relevance, that is, text extracts adapted from real workplace situations and videoclips with dynamic motion information. Such dynamic material had not yet been used within the Goldberg-paradigm. Moreover, natural language material was interpreted by participants, and then analyzed . . . Gender served as one of a number of proximal cues to infer competence, support, dominance, and emotionality. The main research question was which constructive inferences participants would make based on the manipulation of gender-assumption only. . . . The following research question and hypotheses were tested:

(1) There will be systematic differences in the evaluation of leaders in the "stereotypic directions," with "men" being judged higher on competence and agentic traits and "women" judged higher on emotionality and communal traits (Bakan, 1996; Eagly & Karau, 2002). [...]

4) There will be differential utilization of verbal and nonverbal cues by participants related to the gender-assumptions they hold about the target (Koch et al., 2004). [...]

RESULTS

. . . Based on the woman gender-assumption (Mrs. K), the stimulus person was perceived as more dominant, . . . and less warm . . . than the identical person on the basis of the man gender-assumption. Thus, the target person as a woman team leader was perceived as more agentic and less communal than the person as a man team leader. Overall . . . the effect size estimates point to relatively small effects.

Furthermore, I found a main effect for sex of participant on the following items: women on average rated stimulus persons higher on dominance ..., assertiveness, ... influence, ... energy, ... security, and professionalism, ... and lower on talkativeness [...]

. . . Gender differences in ratings showed that men focused mostly on dominance ratings . . . thereafter on competence ratings . . . , on support . . . , and finally on emotionality . . . Women, too, focused mostly on dominance . . . , then on support . . . , on competence . . . , and finally on emotionality [...]

Women were rated higher on agentic traits than were men (e.g., dominance, assertiveness), and men were rated higher on communal traits than were women (especially warmth). In the cue analysis I was then able to specify which cues participants had used to form their opinions about dominance, support, competence, and emotionality of targets. Two significant gender effects emerged: with woman gender-assumption, participants used more pragmatic cues to infer dominance and with man gender-assumption, participants used more pragmatic cues to infer emotionality. [...]

. . . Because dominance and assertiveness as nonverbal status behaviors are mostly communicated nonverbally and gender functions as a diffuse status cue, we can assume that the nonverbal experimental condition has its implications in the status domain. According to expectation states theory and role congruity theory, women should be judged lower on likeability when they use a higher visual dominance ratio, as they violate gender expectations. Women who use the nonverbal patterns of high status persons will thus be judged more negatively, unless they bring a certain amount of communal behaviors into agentic leadership. [...]

Results can be related back to a main finding of stereotype research: the paradox of being judged less likeable when acting in agentic ways as a woman. [...]

In sum, the results of the present research suggest that the mere influence of different gender-assumptions has expectational (adaptation of standards due to gender-assumption; expectancy-based contrast and double-standards effect), and perceptional implications (differential ratings, e.g., for dominance and warmth and differential use of cues, e.g. for support).

What does this boil down to? That women are perceived differently when they are considered for leadership roles, at least among the college age populations that make up the majority of these studies. Furthermore, when both verbal and nonverbal cues are considered, women leaders are more likely to be seen as dominant by either sex (though for different reasons) and men as more "warm" and fuzzy" feeling, which may explain the eponymous "who would you rather have a beer with?" non sequitur which has lately been considered of such import by our pundit class.

More importantly, I think it also helps explain many of the negative reactions to Hillary Clinton, even among Democrats. She is judged more harshly on the "dominance" scale (thus the question to McCain from a supporter last month "How do we beat the bitch") than male candidates are. I also think it helps explain the Obama tsunami, since his natural charm is enhanced because people are more likely to judge male leaders (even George "I'm a compassionate conservative, heh, heh" Bush) as "nice guys" than they are female leaders. The inherent bias seems to be that women are supposed to be more caring, so if they show too much competence, or dominance, traits which we expect from men but not women, they will be viewed as less caring. At the same time, male leaders can play the "alpha male" card without it necessarily affecting how people of both sexes perceive them regarding character traits such as compassion, congeniality, etc.

Case in point, Mike Huckabee and John McCain, both of whom have been reported to be prone to angry displays, vindictiveness, and all the classic signs of the bully you really, really hated in elementary school, yet they continue to receive favorable ratings from the press covering their campaigns, and much of the public, about how "warm" and "sincere" they are. Bill Clinton, himself, was rumored to fly off the handle quite easily (and we've seen some of that in his campaigning this year) and yet he is still beloved by many Democratic voters and other Americans as the President who was most empathic, who could best "could feel their pain."

Thus, Hillary's claim to competence, and the aura of inevitability she has tried to foster, may actually be hurting her campaign, because it causes people to see her as "cold hearted" and less concerned about their problems. It also may explain why the now famous "tearing up" incident in New Hampshire benefited her so much in the run up to that primary, because it contradicted the "cold, mean spirited, heartless" meme that had attached itself to her. Indeed, if I was advising her campaign, I'd have her drop all references to her resume in her own speeches (that's something that her surrogates can focus upon).

Instead, I would have her focus on her vision for America, her hopes and dreams, and especially on her deep concern and desire for helping others. In a strange, counterintuitive manner, the more she personally asserts her competence, her toughness and labels herself as the candidate who can hit the ground running from day one, the more she may be turning off potential voters. A strategy that would work perfectly well for a man, may be the worst possible campaign strategy for her right now.

These prejudices are real, and I am beginning to be convinced that they have had a lot to do with her recent losing streak to Obama, above and beyond all the excitement his campaign has generated. What worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, the rapid response teams, the frequent counterattacks, etc., may not be the stratagem that works best for Hillary. Indeed, she may need to wean herself from those advisers who continue to push this approach, and even distance herself from her husband, in order to begin winning back the hearts and minds of Democratic voters in the upcoming primaries and caucuses. In short, she needs to redefine herself, and fast, in my opinion, as the "compassionate candidate" not just as the most competent one.

Let me give Mr. Kristof the final word here:

Female leaders face these impossible judgments all over the world. An M.I.T. economist, Esther Duflo, looked at India, which has required female leaders in one-third of village councils since the mid-1990s. Professor Duflo and her colleagues found that by objective standards, the women ran the villages better than men. For example, women constructed and maintained wells better, and took fewer bribes.

Yet ordinary villagers themselves judged the women as having done a worse job, and so most women were not re-elected. That seemed to result from simple prejudice. [...]

Such prejudices can be overridden after voters actually see female leaders in action. While the first ones received dismal evaluations, the second round of female leaders in the villages were rated the same as men. “Exposure reduces prejudice,” Professor Duflo suggested.

Women have often quipped that they have to be twice as good as men to get anywhere — but that, fortunately, is not difficult. In fact, it appears that it may be difficult after all.



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"Exposure reduces prejudice"

It's funny, because as I was reading your post this was essentially the simple thought that was swirling in my head.  And then, right at the end, there it was.

It applies in almost all areas; gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation and our politics.  We gain comfort with increased familiarity.  We tend to recoil from that which is different and we thereby don't understand, or things which don't line up with our inherent prejudices.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:30:40 AM EST
As I've said before, I've never hated Mrs. Clinton, never thought much of or about her.  At YearlyKos, I thought she was very charming, though I felt even that was an act.  I thought she was capable enough.  And it's clear that she's a person who is used to getting what she wants.  That being said, after the whole race-baiting tactics of her campaign, every time I see her, I loathe her a little more.  

See, because of the race-baiting, I'm now paying a lot more attention to her words.  All I'm hearing is someone who is saying exactly what Obama said a 2 or 4 weeks ago and she disparaged him for it.  Her speeches lately have been nothing but retreads and mash-ups of Obama and Edwards speeches from Sept. to last week.  So, instead of going back to be complacent about Clinton, her  wind-changing rhetoric is actually pissing me off more.  

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:48:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, as you point out, the inverse of my statement is also true.  Increasing familiarity can also breed greater contempt, as a person essentially shows the true measure of what and who they are.  And this is the case with Hillary.  The more we see of how low her tactics can go, the higher her negatives go with many progressives.

Give someone enough time and space and they will eventually show their ass.  As you indicate, this is proving to be the case with the Clinton team.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:53:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed, she may need to wean herself from those advisers who continue to push this approach, and even distance herself from her husband, in order to begin winning back the hearts and minds of Democratic voters in the upcoming primaries and caucuses.

and speak's to Booman's analysis around look at who they bring with them.  Her only hope may be to redefine who she is by highlighting her progressive policies by bringing in a new set of strategic advisers with progressive and liberal creds in key policy areas.

by northcountry on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:39:19 AM EST
Both Clintons, because of experience and likely personality as well, are in the habit of scorched earth policies.  Their advisers reflect it.  This doesn't seem to be the moment in time when people want to see this kind of campaign or governance.
by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 12:15:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thus, Hillary's claim to competence, and the aura of inevitability she has tried to foster, may actually be hurting her campaign, because it causes people to see her as "cold hearted" and less concerned about their problems.

That stuff is hurting her campaign because people don't like having their choices made for them.  The MSM told us that Clinton was inevitable.  She acted like participating in those debates over the summer was just an issue of getting clips for campaign commercials.  She was breezy.  Why put in any effort when the thumb is already on the scale in your favor?  

When she lost in Iowa, she was stunned.  You saw it on her face.  She blew out of town so fast, went directly to New Hampshire and immediately started talking shit about Iowa.  Talk about anger issues.  I think at that point, the rest of America perked up and took a look and a listen.  

You have this person who seems to be utterly pissed her coronation isn't going as planned, bad mouthing voters of another state and everything she's talking about isn't about the voters, it's about her.  It wasn't until this week that she actually started including the voters, the American public in her strategy.  That's yet another thing that Sen. Obama has always done.  I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton started chanting 'Yes, we can' at her rallies.  

To add to matters, take the last 2 weeks.  It's all been nothing but feeble drama coming out of the Clinton campaign.  We are seeing things, that should be taken care of internally, not in the press.  It's distracting bullshit.  Once again, it's not about the voters, it's about Clinton.  Or rather, it's about the Clinton's campaign playing more mindgames with the voters, but it's all so transparent, it's depressing and insulting.

From someone who has not only worked for several female bosses, but has been a female boss, the supposed fine line women have to walk between competence and bitch is a lot broader than most men would have you think.  You have to have a lot of personality and willingness to be a teamplayer to outshines your inner bitch.  

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:06:52 AM EST
That's it in a nutshell. The Clintons are narcissists. Everything is about them. We spent eight years watching it in Bill -- and now a little more as he is unable to resist stepping into Hillary's spotlight -- and we are getting loads of it from Hillary now that it's "her turn". Dubya has much the same kind of personality in that respect.

For what it's worth, I personally prefer working for female bosses. I find that, in general, they are less concerned with ego issues and more concerned with just getting the job done well. The woman I work for now is probably the best boss I've ever had. There are exceptions, however, and Hillary Clinton reminds me a little too much of some of the worst bosses I've had.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:29:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When it became evident that Obama and Clinton would be the Dem front runners the media's big question was "Is America more racist or more sexist?" I think the answer to that question is now obvious.

 A brief glance at the dates the respective groups were grudging allowed to participate in our democracy via the vote should have given everyone a hint. In 1870 the 15th amendment was ratified giving negro males the vote; 50 YRS LATER, in 1920 the 19th amendment was ratified giving negro and white women the vote.

 Imagine a woman with Obama's record running against a man with Clinton's record. Does anyone seriously thing a woman who had as her political creds a four yr stint in a state senate, and was currently a FRESHMAN Senator would even be allowed to run for President?

Business Week ran an interesting article about women in executive positions:
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_47/b3708145.htm
It concludes with this:

"Kabacoff has just finished a new study showing how CEOs and corporate boards view upper management, and he found a clear double standard. Male CEOs and senior vice-presidents got high marks from their bosses when they were forceful and assertive and lower scores if they were cooperative and empathic. The opposite was true for women: Female CEOs got downgraded for being assertive and got better scores when they were cooperative. Kabacoff's conclusion? ''At the highest levels, bosses are still evaluating people in the most stereotypical ways.'' That means that even though women have proven their readiness to lead companies into the future, they're not likely to get a shot until their bosses are ready to stop living in the past."

by peon on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 11:31:11 AM EST
Legally black men had the vote.  In reality, they often took their lives in their hands if they dared to exercise that right.  Ditto for black women once they got the vote.  How many white women, after the Constitution was amended, felt they might be killed if they voted?
by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 12:24:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 Actually lots of women did. I agree the political reality of having the vote and the  functional reality of being able to exercise that right are two different things. Black Codes," or state laws that restricted the freedoms of African Americans followed hot on the heels of ratification of the 15th amendment. Women also faced violence if they exercised their right to vote. The violence women faced was often , but not entirely, hidden within the "sanctity of marriage." In the patriarchal culture that existed at the time men just refused to allow their wives, daughters, etc to vote. That refusal was backed up by violence or the threat of violence. Do two things to see how much venom is still focused on womens right to vote:
  1. Google the phrase "Should women be allowed to vote?"
  2. Watch the response of Pakistan, Afganistan, and other patriarchal cultures to women's attempt at voting. If you think white American men genteelly stood back and let women have rights, unlike their middle eastern patriarchal counterparts,  you don't know your history.  
by peon on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 01:29:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Mother-in-law was an actual Suffragette, having graduated from college with honors and no right to vote.

As we all know, back into the mid-19th century, the suffrage and abolition movements were sometimes allies and oftentimes adversaries.

by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 02:44:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Interesting post.
by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:28:29 AM EST
It's a conundrum, because people are not necessarily looking for a woman that they personally like when they choose a commander-in-chief.  

But most Democratic primary voters are not thinking foremost about the commander-in-chief role.  

What makes Hillary tough enough is also what makes her unlikeable.  McCain seems to be able to accomplish both at once.  

by BooMan on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:29:37 AM EST
Accomplish both? I think you mean being both tough and likeable, but it sounded like you were saying tough and unlikeable. Which I think he is.

I am, by the way, a woman who was against Clinton long before I was even remotely for Obama. Unlike Hillary, however, I'm one of those more "stereotypical" women who doesn't like conflict. I don't think that's because I'm a woman, though. It's my personality, and I know there are men like that too.

My reasons for opposing Clinton are directly related to my experiences as a parent. If you all are just dying to know what I mean by that, I'll try to expand on it later on.

by Renee in Ohio on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:41:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
being brought up in a household where females were encouraged to aspire the same professions normally thought as exclusively male; I've never subscribed to the gender thing. History, circumstances  of the moment are factors in decision making.

I find the Clintons are unprincipled. I won't list my top ten reasons. But here's no: 20

Stop Thief! by The Editors

These days, you will commonly hear Obama supporters, and even many undecided Democrats, describe the Clintons as mendacious, brutal, willing to bend (or break) any rule in pursuit of power. Not all of these criticisms are fair. A decade's worth of resentment has come rushing out, as Democrats have suddenly felt free to despise the Clintons without worrying that their venting might aid Republicans. In certain quarters, it's an old-fashioned pile-on. Looking at their plight with any detachment, it is even possible to develop a measure of sympathy for the Clintons. Or it was, anyway, right up until the point at which Hillary threatened to steal the nomination. And theft is the only way to describe the plan she has floated for certifying the Florida and Michigan delegations.

The back story is simple: The Florida and Michigan legislatures moved their primaries forward in the calendar to exert greater influence on the nominating process. But, by scheduling their primaries before February 5, they broke rules set by both the Democratic and the Republican parties. The GOP punished these scofflaw states by stripping them of half their delegates to the Republican National Convention. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) took them all away--and, so, the Democratic candidates did not campaign in these states.You can certainly debate the merits of the DNC's move. What is beyond debate, though, is that all the major Democratic campaigns accepted this move without complaint. Clinton, along with her rivals, signed a pledge not to "participate" in the Michigan and Florida primaries.

But as soon as it became clear, in the wake of Iowa and on the eve of South Carolina, that Clinton potentially faced an extended battle for delegates, she began to demand that the rules be changed in the middle of the game. Her campaign has been arguing that the non-contested elections in Michigan and Florida should be made retroactively meaningful--and, therefore, that Clinton should be handed a gift of nearly 200 delegates.




Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:00:07 AM EST
It is false to pretend that only Hillary Clinton sullies herself playing hardball politics. I refer you to a history of Obama's senatorial campaign:

"Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign puts a hard edge on the image he has honed throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

While I don't like this kind of behavior in my friends, politics is different. I am not faulting Obama on his less than Messiah-like principles, my point is pretending as if only evil HRC does it is silly, and more inportantly not based in fact.

by peon on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:36:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've seen you mention it before. Why do you say that?

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 11:09:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I can promise you it is not an original thought on my part.
by peon on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 03:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You're the only person I've ever seen use it, so I wanted an explanation.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 03:16:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you know how to use Google? Can you imagine any relationship between the word "cult" and "Messiah"? Are you going to tell me my use of the word "cult" in the context of Obama is original too?
by peon on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 03:53:15 PM EST
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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 04:27:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We are seriously looking at Kristof? This has nothing to do with how I feel about the candidates.
by AliceDem on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:01:47 AM EST
Well, he raises a valid point, and one I found supported in the academic literature.  The truth is that gender bias does play a role in this campaign, but maybe not the role we thought it would.  It was assumed Hillary would have to show herself as being tougher and more dominant than the men in the race.  The truth is that she may have been better running a hope campaign like Obama did, or more of a mix of the two.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:10:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, given any basic credence, here's what Kristof's article tells me. In the USA, where a woman's basic right to self-determination is still a matter of serious political debate, we may be ready for a female Commander-In-Chief, but the right female hasn't shown up yet.
by wilderness wench on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:26:57 AM EST
With NO recourse to wisacres like Kristof or so-called "academic experts", most of whom couldn't find their ass in a snowstorm without help from above.

Here is is. Read it if you did not.

So here's what it has all finally come down to: Bitch or Negro. Your choice.

A synopsis for the time-challenged among you:

Y'know what it's going to come down to, don'tcha?

Which set of prejudices is deeper.

Are women really supposed to stay at home, (at least metaphorically) barefoot and pregnant?

Are families really supposed to resemble to some extent the classic nuclear family? YOU know...the one where the mother raises the kids, sacrifices her ambitions for the good of the family and the man doesn't go out and try to fuck everything that moves while being a charming, successful world beater?

Like say...the Obama family vs. the Clinton family?

Or is the spectre of a man who possesses at least a modicum of what many Americans consider to be sub-human genetic structure in power over Racist America more frightening than that of a strong, dominant woman who really didn't give a good goddamn WHO her worthless husband fucked as long as it didn't get too much in the way of the business of running a country the right way? By her own estimation of that concept of "right", of course, because she WAS the boss, when you get right down to it. Bill was just the frontman, the CEO who made the speeches and basked in the limelight but Ms. Clinton was the Chairman of the Board. Bet on it.

Yup.

My bet?

On the evidence of the Obama surge? On the evidence of the kneejerk anti-Hillary sentiment being played out right here on the front pages of this blog by (among others) its male owner?

The female goes down.

As is the general preference in other areas among males.

So it goes.

Down.

Let us hope that Obama is up to the task.

AG

P.S. Thanks for bumping this post off of the front page when it got promoted by somneone else, Booman.

Your courage is laudable.

Or is that laughable?

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 11:03:31 AM EST


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Unequal Sisters: A Multicultural Reader in U.S. Women's History (Third Edition)


The Undercover Economist: Exposing Why the Rich Are Rich, the Poor Are Poor And Why You Can Never Buy a Decent Used Car!


The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl
by Timothy Egan


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Journalistas: 100 Years of the Best Writing and Reporting by Women Journalists by Eleanor Mills * NYT review


Bury Me Standing: the Gypsies & Their Journey


1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus



Brokeback Mountain
by Annie Proulx
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Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World by Noam Chomsky (Power & Terror: Post 9-11 Talks)


The Price of Privilege:

How Parental Pressure and
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by Madeline Levine


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Alibris - Books You Thought You'd Never Find
Banned Books * Are you a fan of Film Noir, Art House, Documentaries or Hong Kong Action? * Searching for a long-lost children's book or a first printing of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue on vinyl? Find it at Alibris!

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