Sweet. Jesus. This is disgusting. Am I the only one whose stomach turns at the prospect of having to vote for Hillary if she somehow ends up with the nomination? She's making herself less appealing to me all the time.

Unfortunately, werewolf movies always have sequels.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

Burning all bridges and a scorched earth strategy. She really is making herself distasteful - no spin required.

A recent comment at Orange sticks in my mind (don't ask me where and when and by whom). Something to this effect, similar to what BooMan suggests as an explanation for the bizarre behavior:

Her vow to fight it out on the convention floor shows she has the gutsy stamina and determination to be president.

The supposed strategy of poaching pledged candidates from Obama has the stink of gangsterism, mafia shenanigans, no matter how permissible it is under Democratic Party rules. The Clintons are making complete asses of themselves. Like the 'invincibility' shtick, the aura of 'charisma and charm' of the former president is fast going out the window. To my mind, she is bound to lose the GE big time, giving at least one chamber of congress (Senate), maybe both, back to the repugnants, like the white house. Then the Clintons can ensconce themselves behind their millions upon millions which seem to reproduce like rabbits, she in the senate, he in his palace, the daughter at her hedge fund or whatever, and thumb their noses at the whole Democratic crowd who failed to support her: you see, it was all the fault of Barack Obama and his supporters anyhow because they refused to let her have her way in the first place. Never will they publicly recognize their humiliation and the harm they will have done. In short, the Clintons are all about personality.

"This stuff is just silly. It's never going to succeed, and even trying would destroy the Clintons' reputation, in both the party and the nation, irreparably. So, why are they pushing these types of stories in the press now?"

Destroy the Clintons' reputation? What reputation?  

Let's face it. Desperation! Entitlement! so they'll cheat.

I'm not at all surprised. Long ago they ignored the rules set by the DNC for the cycle-rules her adviser Harold Ickes voted in affirmative. Hillary Clinton threw out her signed  pledge to adhere the rules of the primaries. - not to campaign in MI and FL. Clinton unlike other candidates, kept her name on the MI ballot...had her surrogates campaign heavily for her in FL and flew into that state on the night of the election promising the delegates would be seated.

I hope the unpledged super delegates and party elders open an inquiry or at a minimum speak up on this ruthless, dodgy business.

view the most recent video and say "No, You. Can't."

Note to Clinton supporters:  here's one more reason for the high negatives. They cheat.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

>>Clinton Campaign Resembles the Undead

They want brains?

Maybe if they had put half the energy into winning primaries and caucuses as they are into grabbing superdelegates and now targeting pledged delegates they would have a lead right now.

Then again, I'm sure their attitude is more along the lines of "God forbid we let the voters deny Hillary her Presidency.".

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

Delegates are vetted by the campaigns themselves to verify that he/she is a strong and open supporter of the candidate (and probably also to make sure various skeletons are not horrible giant things that could bring a heavy does of negative attention).

The likelyhood that any campaign could 'turn' a significant number of pledged delegates is, in my estimation, very small.

How exactly would a campaign entice them?  Financially?  With positions in a potential administration?  

Additionally, by already refering to the states where the Clinton campaign would most need to 'turn' delegates as insignificant, I'd guess that few of Obama delegates would even deign to discuss such matters with the Clinton campaign.

This smacks of pure, unadulterated desperation; a tactic that should never have left the tiny conference room where it was initially proposed and should have been shot down.

They look like fools and amateurs.

A Clinton coup at the convention would leave me in a rather difficult position. I could not, of course, vote for Clinton in the general election, because the only legitimate candidate would be McCain. And I'd rather drink a barrel of hog piss than vote for McCain. On the other hand, by abstaining from voting, what am I saying about the importance of representative democracy?

I'll give this much to Hillary Clinton: it took her husband the better part of two terms to create a crisis where all of the options left me feeling unclean, but she's on the road to doing it before she's even elected.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

I am REALLY starting to think that this is why so many high-ranking Democrats are not endorsing candidates yet. They know that The Clintons will try to win at all costs and try to pull shit like this. If it comes down to it, people like Pelosi, Gore, Edwards, Reid and Dean could come out and publicly ridicule the Clintons if they refuse to back out. Imagine the burning torches and pitchforks chasing the Clintons after that.

The Clintons are fooling themselves. After tomorrow morning when we know the results of (them losing) WI and HI, we should start the rumbling for them to give up on the third term in office. The political leaders will follow. If they proceed beyond losing Texas or Ohio, they will get the boot from the party leaders.

Whatever happened to "...work hard and play by the rules?"  Oh yeah, I guess that's only for the little sheeple.

This is the kind of Nixonian crap that kept a generation of Republicans voting democratic for 20 years.

If there was any integrity in their campaign, they would at least repudiate these remarks, and preferably fire the person involved.

Ecological collapse is already happening. Your resentment of the word doesn't change the fact that it is occurring.

Wow.  Just...wow.  Hillary Clinton is rapidly turning from a mere terrible candidate to an actual and complete nutcase.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

I hope someone brings this issue up as a question to Clinton in the next debate.

I would like to see Howard Dean make some statement about this. That even if it is "technically" following the rules, it would be really bad for the party and for America. He might mention the way there were huge turnouts in the primaries on the Democratic side, and that bodes well for us in November. But that could be thrown away if the people are convinced that their votes don't matter.

I've thought for a while that all of this talk is just evidence of how much in disarray her campaign is and how desperate they are for money.  Also, what is she going to say to her donors and to the voters as she campaigns in Ohio and Texas?  "Gee, things look not so good for me and if I don't win this state I'm going to probably have to drop out.  But please come vote for me anyway!  And give me lots of money!!"  

No.  Just like every candidate including John Edwards she'll say she's in all the way to the convention.  And then one day she'll drop out.  But unlike John Edwards she's going to get called on it and asked for her plan.  Hence ... these ridiculous plans.

Her campaign is in total disarray.  She even screwed up getting set up with a slate of delegates in Pennsylvania.  

I'm not taking any of this seriously at this time.  The only thing it's doing right now is potentially driving her negatives.  Which is good.

I know this will not sit well with many but this is the same bent the Clinton's showed during their first two terms. No matter how much embarassment they brought on themselves and the nation they will lie, stonewall and manuever at all costs to win.

Then it was the Republicans (no apologies to them) they were fighting, now it is their own party. Its never about what's best for the nation or even the party. It is all about them. Aty best humility and contrition is saved for calculated media moments.

By brutally attacking their 'strengths':

1. The Boom. This was an accident of timing.
   
2. The budget surplus was an accident of the Boom. If she was co-President, why didn't she cut spending and fix entitlements when there was the chance to buffer the transition?
   
3. America's reputation. Despite his popularity ratings at the end of his term, there is no doub that the aura of American perfection died with Bill's misplaced ejaculate.
   
4. She's tested and ready.
   

• She failed to see the hummers under her nose.
• She failed to secure her state against terrorist attack, despite being able to redistribute billions of our taxes for pork-barrel projects.


• It was her husband who got beat up by the Repugs, not her. Most of the stuff said about her turned out to be true, just not criminal.

5. She is an agent of change. Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton. REALLY?
   
6. The Environment. The Clinton administration was 8 years of wasted time, punctuated by symbolic yet impermanent acts that illustrated a total lack of big-picture thinking, despite Al Gore being in the room.
   
7. The First Woman President thing. While we all look forward to the first woman president, she should not get there through inheritance or entitlement, we fought a bloody war to end that practice in our neck of the woods, called the American Revolution.
   
8. Health Care policy. First of all, She failed to leave the health-care debate in a state where anything could be done for almost 20 years. During the course of that failure, she managed to piss just about everyone she came in contact with off. This was not a result of the controversial nature of the subject matter alone. She did not work or play well with others. Now she wants to MANDATE that we pay a HUGE TAX TO CORPORATIONS, the villains of Michael Moore's 'Sicko'. That is called fascism. We also fought a war to keep that practice out of our neck of the woods, called World War II.
   
9. She claims that Dollar Bill is so beloved that the world will love us again if she is elected. Her husband's vocal support of the Iraq  War and world tours with Bush the Father have destroyed his reputation abroad. A return to his rock-star status at home or abroad is impossible.
   
10. Hispanic Appeal. Could anything be more racist than pandering to Hispanics by constantly talking about how she loves to eat hot peppers? FFS!!
    

Declaring the bottom is the only way back up..