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Judging Candidates

by BooMan
Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:16:39 AM EST

I'm the first to admit that different people make political decisions for different reasons. Everyone has a different set of life experiences and issues that are important to them. I have my own way of looking at presidential candidates, and it is not going to be shared by everyone. It's not even going to be understood by everyone. But, I can try to explain it.

There's a reason that (other than the vote to authorize the war) you'll almost never hear me say that I support or oppose a candidate because of their position on the issues. But before we get to that, let me talk about a couple of issues that do matter to me. Kucinich voted against the war, Obama spoke out against the war, and Gravel didn't support it. The rest of the candidates voted for it. As my friend Chris says, 'I wouldn't let anyone that voted to authorize the war use my bathroom. I couldn't trust them not to shit in the sink." At the very least, the sink-shitters should have long ago apologized and started helping to clean up the mess they created. On that score, Dodd and Edwards passed the test. Biden and Clinton? Not so much. Biden and Clinton earned no redemption points with me when they both failed to vote against the Bankruptcy Bill. Biden voted for it, while Clinton failed to vote. So issues do matter to me.

But most of the issues that matter to me are either mainstream Democratic issues that all serious candidates for the Democratic nomination know to support or they are so out of the mainstream that all serious candidates know better than to publicly embrace. For example, I want single payer health coverage for every American. I have no ideological interest in the health care plans being put forward by Edwards, Clinton, or Obama, and I could give two shits about the minor distinctions between them. When I see someone like Paul Krugman get all worked up about mandates to make every American purchase health insurance from a giant health insurance corporation, I think Paul Krugman is a complete pinhead asshole. The idea that someone would throw a temper tantrum over someone's campaign proposal for a shitty (and bound to be profoundly unpopular) boon to the insurance corporations...a policy masquerading as progressive policy...is enough for me to put a fist through a Princeton professor's office wall. But I recognize that if you have dedicated the last decade of your life, under Republican congressional rule, desperately trying to cobble together a lukewarm pro-corporate health care plan that might pass through Tom DeLay's House, you might just get upset if people don't leap for joy at your plan to force every American, no matter how poor, to become a customer of some giant HMO provider.

Issues matter, but you can't tell much about a candidate by what they say about issues. Al Gore and Dennis Kucinich were avid pro-lifers until they decided to run for the Democratic nomination. George Poppy Bush dropped his pro-choice stance as a condition of becoming the Gipper's vice-president. I have no use for such people. Reproductive rights aren't the same as free trade agreements. You don't just change your mind whenever it becomes convenient.

There's no better proof that a candidate's rhetoric cannot be trusted than George W. Bush's promises to have a humble foreign policy, be a fiscal conservative, and govern as a uniter-not-a-divider. If you listened to what Bush was saying you would have been deceived. It you looked at what Dick Cheney, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, and Donald Rumsfeld had been saying, you would have known that regime change was coming to Iraq just as soon as a pretext could be found to justify it.

This is the way I judge the candidacies of the major presidential candidates. Hillary Clinton has crafted a fairly straightforward Democratic agenda...tepid, but not DLC-tepid. Obama's policy papers are much the same. It's all tentative stuff designed to please the base without making the suits nervous. Its lack of ambition isn't a problem for me. It's not a problem because I don't take their position papers seriously. If they have to deal with Republican filibusters they'll do one thing. If they don't have to deal with Republican filibusters they'll do another, more ambitious thing. Their policies are designed for a gridlocked environment. No gridlock? No reason to serve us oatmeal. In other words, this contest has become a personality test. That's the wrong way to judge it.

The right way to judge it is by the company these campaigns keep. If you like their foreign policy advisers then trust them to do the right thing. If you don't like their foreign policy advisers, then don't.

The Clintons' foreign policy team is atrocious. And that tells me what I need to know. It tells me a lot that James Carville and Paul Begala want to throw Howard Dean out at the DNC and replace him with DLC chairman Harold Ford Jr. It tells me a lot that the Clintons' surrogates use nasty campaign tactics.

I could go on at great length about my problems with the Clintons and their gang over the years, but the real point is that Hillary Clinton isn't one person that we might choose to vote for over some other person. Hillary Clinton is at the center of a movement within the Democratic Party. She has studiously distanced herself from the DLC policy shop, but DLC people have all endorsed Clinton. People like Terry McAuliffe are still the face of her campaign. Mark Penn is her campaign manager. These are the people that are going to win if Hillary wins. While some people celebrate the novelty of having our first female president, the government and the party apparatuses will be staffed with DLC corporate hacks and wannabes.

How is Obama different? He's playing much of the same game from the other side. His positions are always calibrated to please the base without making the suits nervous. His policies don't mean anything either. But he has a much, much different crowd, different life experiences, different grudges, different allies, different scores to settle. And the bottom line is that his Gang is a gang I can live with. My opposition to Clinton has very little to do with Hillary Clinton by herself.

Having said that, I don't think we'll get real progressive governance unless we have a realigning election (like 1932 or 1964). I think that election is within reach with Barack Obama and that it will be muted or squandered with Hillary Clinton. So, for me, just Obama's nomination is potentially a huge boon for progressive politics. If nothing else, he'll have bigger majorities than Clinton would have. But it's more than that. I think Obama has some of the political gifts needed to do more with less. Anyway, I haven't expounded on all my reasons for detesting the DLC and the gang that surrounds the Clintons, but I've said enough, I hope.



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Well, given that Obama just raised $6 million IN ONE DAY, and given that Clinton's staff is going without pay for the next month, I think we can see which way the wind is blowing.

I think this is now Obama's to lose, and I hope he doesn't blow it! I don't think he will, either. They've run an incredibly smart, even canny, campaign.

Clinton is running an older era campaign, and she's out of coin. She's going to have to work hard to raise money, and will have to aim for Texas and Ohio to get the most bang for her buck. Will it be enough?

The plot thickens...!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:20:47 AM EST
The number is now over $7 million since polls closed on Super Fat Tuesday.

Staggering.

Tengo un sueño.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 10:06:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BooMan expressed my thoughts very well. That's exactly where I stand.

But, Oh what a difference a month makes!

Let's observe this: The Clintons' Flip-Flop on Using Personal Money to Fund Campaigns.

whatever happened to the spirit of democracy?

Well, the Clintons are now digging into their personal wealth to fund Hillary's Presidential campaign.

But in December, Bill Clinton slammed Michael Bloomberg for potentially digging into his personal wealth to fund his political campaign. The New York Sun reported:

Mayor Bloomberg, who could enter the presidential race as early as next month, is defending himself against President Clinton's claim that Mr. Bloomberg's ability to spend his own multibillion-dollar fortune would give him an unfair advantage.[.]

Mr. Clinton was quoted in the online publication Politico as telling a crowd in Iowa on Sunday that self-financed campaigns "violate the spirit of campaign finance reform." Mr. Clinton said that the Supreme Court, which has ruled that spending money on one's own campaign is a constitutional right, "seems determined to say that the wealthier have more right to free speech than the rest of us." He mentioned Mr. Bloomberg several times directly, saying that while he admires the mayor, he is upset with his potential ability to employ his personal fortune in a presidential campaign.

Don't discount that the Clintons have more of the other currency; - they have their vast machine that's Sicilian in its mindset.  I hope the Kennedy machine, now thrown in with Obama, can help stop the Clintons. BECAUSE

My No 1 beef is the Clintons' fucking deception

They.are running.for. a third. term.  

and on Tuesday, more than 7 million people bought into it. Nostalgia for the 90s but times are different. We can't go back to the past.

My No.2 beef: Clintons' crass sleazy calculating greed.

While other presidents (Jimmy Carter for one) have gone on to do good in a philanthropic sense, the Clintons have used their political and presidential connections to amass a fortune: take the Clinton Initiative; his foundation -$131.5 million in a mining deal given to an upstart Canadian merely on the intervention of Bill. One word for this, Influence peddling. BTW that $131.5 million figure is not included in their net worth.

How much of this money goes to philanthropic work?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 11:44:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And THANK YOU for going after Krugman. He's become so anti-Obama he's obsessing over the smallest, most useless details now. I've lost a lot of respect for him lately.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:21:23 AM EST
Yesterday he got all upset over:

Obama likened Clinton's health care mandate proposal to eliminating homelessness by requiring everyone buy a house.

Funny thing... I've NEVER before heard of a better analogy. Why create a new mandate that can never be enforced all because you're afraid to do it right in the first place? Has it occurred to anyone that by not making the purchase of insurance compulsory, he might actually be hoping for the system to fail in the long run, compelling us to replace it with "The Most Efficient Healthcare Delivery System In The World" - Medicare - but for everyone?

by RandyH on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:44:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You know, Randy, if someone wants to engage in pinheadedness and actually debate the comparative merits of their two health care plans, you can come down on two sides.

On the Hillary side, there's a compelling case to be made that mandates are required to avoid free-riding and to get the insurance companies to insure everyone.  

On the Obama side, that's a compelling case that Hillary Clinton has learned nothing and is proposing a plan that people will truly hate once they understand it.  I know that in my case, since I am poor enough to qualify for subsidies, I would have to go on the dole to get the health insurance or suffer a penalty for refusing to enter the bureaucracy and ask for a handout.  Yes, I would be grateful for the health insurance, but I don't like being forced on the dole.

It's a bargain I'll take, but people simply are not going to like her policy and therefore it will be very hard to pass.  Haven't we been here before?

But this is precisely why I could care less about their policies.  If we have to get a health insurance plan through a Republican filibuster, it's going to wind up looking pretty much the same way no matter who proposes the original bill and what is in it.  If we don't have to worry about a Republican filibuster...well...no one would have ever written either of these plans if they weren't panicked about a Republican filibuster.  The plans will simply become inoperative...too timid...too concessionary.  

So, the best thing for health care is the maximum gain in House and, especially, Senate seats.  And that, quite obviously, is what Obama promises.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:55:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yup.

Obama has long coattails. And he intends to build them in every state that he possibly can. If he can make the nomination, he will bring a whole new big-D Democrat congress with him from down-ticket races. Then he can unveil what he would really like to see - single payer (Medicare) for all.

by RandyH on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 01:03:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
...And in my case, I could qualify for subsidies as well, but it's just fundamentally the wrong way to go about reforming healthcare. A major problem in this country is that we expect employers to provide healthcare as a fringe benefit. That's bullshit. No employer should have to do that. It makes them less competitive globally and it traps people in jobs they hate because they're afraid they can't afford to leave and do the things that they would rather be doing. And once the government starts forcing people to buy a healthcare plan, employers will drop their plans and expect their employees to fend for themselves. So healthcare becomes a major new expense to everyone who has gotten used to employer-provided healthcare. Like fixing the homeless problem by simply requiring everyone to buy a house.

My dad has Medicare (with a supplemental plan as a retiree, which shouldn't be necessary) and he loves it. He picks his own private sector doctors and they get paid fair rates for their services. I would love to have a plan like that. I can't even buy a plan at any cost due to pre-existing conditions. If I wanted to take some corporate job - that I would hate and would probably kill me - with a huge group health plan, I would get coverage. But that's no way to live. So I wait for a real solution. Thing is, I have a good idea who might deliver that solution and I also know who definitely won't. 50%+1 Hillary ain't gonna deliver shit.

by RandyH on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 01:28:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A chief argument for the mandates is that those who could afford insurance but don't buy it are a burden on healthcare providers (hospital emergency rooms).  I work in healthcare and this argument drives me nuts.  The people described above do end up paying, it just takes a little longer to collect on them.  Usually they are put on payment plans, and sometimes even go to collections.  Hospitals are not burdened by these patients, they are burdened by the uninsured who really can't afford to pay any bill, and thus the whole bill is written off as charity care.  Under Obama's plan, we'll get these patients taken care of, and those who continue to choose not to buy it but can afford it will continue to pay through the collections process.
by RollaMO on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 10:04:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
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Overlooked Asian voters boost Clinton  

(The Hill) - Asian American voters made up 8 percent of the Democratic vote in the Golden State and supported Clinton by a 3-1 margin. They are now poised to be a factor in upcoming contests as the battle between Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) continues.  

In Washington state, which caucuses Saturday, Asian Americans outnumber blacks. In Maryland, which votes in a primary Tuesday, both Asian Americans and Hispanics account for 4 percent of the population. And in Hawaii, which votes Feb. 19, they make up nearly 41 percent of the population, more than any other demographic.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:24:47 AM EST
Well, Obama's going to rack it up in Hawaii...having visited several times, the Asian population there is decidedly different from Asian-Americans on the West Coast.
by PsiFighter37 on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 01:04:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Also - when I was in Seattle, Congressman Jay Inslee was enormously popular, and he's a Clinton backer.

Still, not many people participate in the Washington Caucuses. When I lived up there, I ran to be a delegate, and got elected to go to the County round, but then had a work conflict and was out of town the day the national delegates were chosen. Darn!!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:31:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The WA state caucus' have been doubling nearly every cycle. When I went in 2004 ours was more than 2x the size. And this time, if people pay attention and understand that the caucus is the only way their vote will get counted, it looks like we'll be seeing a decent amt of Rep walking in the door, and they seem to all be cutting for Obama.

No Hillary, you were outspent by the people not the Obama campaign.
by mainsailset (rideback@gmail.com) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 11:08:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What BooMan said. I couldn't possibly have said it so eloquently. Perfect.
by RandyH on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:34:53 AM EST
by Gene on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 01:02:48 AM EST
When people ask me why Obama over Clinton, when I drive home the point that on paper they look the same, besides the racist campaigning of the Clinton campaign, I'm always talking about friends.  I was raised that you can judge a person by the company s/he keeps.  I look at the Clinton's friends and not only am I not impressed, I'm often disgusted by the people they choose to surround themselves with.  While I have serious issues with the number of former Clintonites on the Obama campaign, I'm slowly realizing that there's a reason they dumped the Clinton's for Obama.  If someone close to them did that (assuming vindictive reasons aren't involved) that says a lot to me.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 01:17:31 AM EST
A long time ago, my father taught me that I should focus on who the candidate bring in with them. So, when the name Ford shows up, that's it! When the initials DLC shows up, that's it. A done deal!
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 07:12:36 AM EST
if you haven't seen this already . .i came across it on Andrew Sullivan's blog.

by Donailin on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 07:43:48 AM EST
Fareed Zakaria says it all for me in  
The Wrong Experience
by Alice on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 08:24:53 AM EST
He is one of the orginal PNAC signatories, why would anyone listen to that warmonger????????
by AliceDem on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 08:40:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
you must have him mixed up with someone else.
by BooMan on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 11:20:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think he was part of PNAC but he certainly played a part in the PR strategy of the administration to take us to war... and never disclosed any of his involvement while his career as a "journalist" soared, as readers wanted to get his unique perspective on all of the happenings. See this from a year ago.
by RandyH on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 11:47:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The company they keep, huh?

Obama's economic advisors would be quite at home in any free-market-lovin' Republican administration. So they don't differ from Clinton's much:

http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/obamas-economic-advisers/

And hey, if George Will likes Goolsbee:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/obamas_curious_economic_advise.html

Not to mention Wall Street:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser

I don't know why I care. It's not as if the corporate media allows us to actually choose our candidates, after all.

by Susie from Philly (suburbanguerrilla at comcast dot net) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 08:33:44 AM EST
failed to vote against the Bankruptcy Bill. Biden voted for it, while Clinton failed to vote.

Unfair to Clinton. She voted against cloture, and a filibuster was the only chance to stop the bill. Afterwards she left to be with her husband who was at the hospital recovering for a heart attack.

As for advisors, Obama is taking advice from Dennis PNAC Ross. 'Nuff said.

The neo-cons have successfully inserted themselves into the campaigns and future administrations of both our candidates. I really don't care who wins, and I have never felt that way before.

by AliceDem on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 08:35:04 AM EST
Your friend Chris sounds like a real wanker.
by Chris on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 09:10:08 AM EST
Oh, definitely.
by BooMan on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 11:21:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The one line that struck me when Barack announced for President.

He said, every candidate running for President will make a million promises, most of which will never be fufilled.

But I am asking for the American People to make the changes.  Change does not happen unless a million people demand it happens.  

That's what I am asking. For all of you to make our voices heard.  And when that many voices are heard, there is nothing that can stop it.

Back To Me.   I've mentioned before, I can attest that Obama listens, and follows it up with action.

So don't sweat the small stuff, as another great Chicago Icon said,  We Can Make It Happen.

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain

by skeeters2525 on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 05:23:59 PM EST


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