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The Clinton Campaign is Now a Charade

by BooMan
Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:02:07 PM EST

From the Associated Press:

After a weekend of campaign adversity, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband separately prodded Democratic Party leaders on Monday to look beyond mere delegate strength in picking a presidential nominee at this summer's national convention.

"I don't know that it will be an easy decision, but that's what leaders sign up for," said the former president, declaring that his wife's ability to win a general election should be considered.

The former first lady, who trails rival Sen. Barack Obama in the delegate chase, concurred. "I think it's a question about everything and I think people are going to have to take everything into account," she told reporters.

Made in different settings, the remarks underscore the debate roiling the Democratic Party as the primary season nears an apparently inconclusive end - while Republicans have begun to close ranks around Sen. John McCain for the fall campaign.

This is all par for the course with the Clintons, but there is a nugget in here that is new (I think).

But former President Clinton went one step beyond that when he suggested his wife may wind up trailing among delegates picked by voters.

"If Senator Obama wins the popular vote, then the choice (at the convention) would be easier," he said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "But if Hillary wins the popular vote but can't quite catch up in the delegate vote, then you have to just ask yourself which is more important and who's more likely to win in November."

That looks to me like a concession on Bill Clinton's part that his wife must win the popular vote to have a realistic chance at the convention. That should be enough to seal the deal right now because Clinton is currently behind in the popular vote by an estimated 813,474 votes, and she isn't going to make up the difference. Just as an example, Clinton only picked up about 230,000 popular votes in Ohio, even though she won the state 55%-45%. With Obama heavily favored to win the contests in North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, there is little likelihood that Clinton can make up a 800,000 popular vote deficit...unless his candidacy collapses.

Even with Clinton's dubious win in Florida included, she still trails by over 500,000 votes. I won't even bother to include the Michigan numbers because in any revote Obama will close his current 328,000 vote deficit down to near nothing, if not actually add to his lead.

The Clintons are clearly hoping for a miracle at this point and it's getting more than tiresome watching the Establishment indulge their destructive magical thinking. I think Kos nailed it when he wrote:

Meanwhile, Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people who have "turned" on Clinton and are no longer "honest power brokers" or "respectable voices" or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little "strikes" when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war.

People like me have two choices -- look the other way while Clinton attempts to ignite her civil war, or fight back now, before we cross that dangerous line. Honestly, it wasn't a difficult choice. And it's clear, looking at where the super delegates, most bloggers, and people like Olbermann are lining up, that the mainstream of the progressive movement is making the same choice.

And the more super delegates see what is happening, and what Clinton has in store, the more imperative it is that they line up behind Obama and put an end to it before it's too late.

Other than the use of 'dehabilitating' as a word, I think Kos got this exactly right. Why are the superdelegates letting this charade go on?



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"Why are the superdelegates letting this charade go on?"

Because it is what they want. The most obvious answer is usually correct.

It is a mistaken belief to think the 'establishment' Dems are 'progressive' in the way they perceive Obama is. They are not. Most are millionaires who have profited hugely from Republican rule.

There are very few Democrats of the type people think of when they think 'democrat'. I mean progressive types that care about the middle class.

nalbar

by nalbar (nalbarsatgmaildotcom) on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:12:52 PM EST
I look at Clinton's campaign; the operation, the rhetoric and I'm turned off.  It looks like the Bush administration.  Maybe they thought, "Hey, we can show the GOP we can play their game." and assumed Democrats would get on board.  Unfortunately, many Democrats aren't sheeple and we didn't like that game in 2000 or 2004, so why should we want to play it now?  Most independents were turned off of that in the first place which is why they turn away from Clinton.  

Still, there's a lot more going on...besides a half-assed campaign and Clinton fatigue.  I think that we have something akin to palace intrigue at play.  Some of these people may have gained their seats during the Clinton's first two terms or had either one of them stump for them recently.  Maybe they like how Dean's helmed the DNC, maybe they like that Obama is trying to put every state in play.  More than likely, they're concerned that if they go against the Clinton's now that it'll get uncomfortable.  That's why they're hiding behind, "Well my constituents..." instead of taking a stand.  Not that we should expect them to.  Let's face it, most of these people are too spineless to stand up to blantat impeachable offenses, even though their constituents want the Bush administration held responsible.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:27:16 PM EST
Obama's speech tomorrow could be the closer. It's obvious that he doesn't back down but takes stuff head on, and this speech could set alot of little minded people on their heels.
Ironic but not unexpected if it turns out that Kos ends up kicking at the log jam and Obama grabs the opportunity.


by mainsailset on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 07:03:36 PM EST
As insufferable as he will be if he finally gets to play kingmaker, I'll accept Kos' hyperinflated ego as a fair price to end this nonsense. It's not like he wasn't going to puff himself up anyway.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?
by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 09:50:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The TX Democratic party has rejected Clinton's vote tampering attempt.  h/t to S.L. over at TPM, s/he posted a letter from Boyd Ritchie:

The overwhelming majority of problems reported in Texas do not affect the legitimacy of delegate allocation.  It is important to remember that the precinct conventions are just the first of three steps where delegates and alternates are selected.  "Final results" will not be determined until June 6-7 at the Texas Democratic State convention.  And at each convention step, Texas Democratic Party rules provide a credentials process to address problems and provide an avenue to register complaints and make formal challenges

For that reason, the Texas Democratic Party will not do as suggested by one campaign and circumvent Party rules to set up an unnecessary, ad hoc "verification" process that could effectively disqualify delegates selected at their precinct conventions after the fact.  The Party has never stated any intention to set up a verification process of this nature because Party rules already provide for "verification" through our credentials process.  Candidates who wish to disqualify delegates must pursue formal challenges based on evidence filed appropriately in accordance with our party's rules.
(emphasis is S.L.'s)

There's an article in the Dallas Morning News about it, too.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 07:20:43 PM EST
I wouldn't call it a charade.  That was a very good movie with Audrey Hepburn and Cary Grant.  No, I'd call it a Carnival freak show.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:36:26 PM EST
Why are the superdelegates letting this charade go on?

Because they are afraid.  Afraid of being accused of cutting off the process.  Of being undemocratic (with a small d).  

They all need to hold hands and jump in the pool together.

Speaking of pools, we should have a pool for the date that they will finally end it.   I take June 6.  D-Day.

by maryb2004 on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:45:49 PM EST
Some delegates are holding out for goodies.  We are in fact presently going through a drawn-out brokered convention.  In the old days, this sort of thing was compressed into three and a half days.  Now it is strung out over three and a half months; but the process is essentially the same.  If the vote is close and undecided, the marginal delegates get to determine the outcome, and that determination has a price.  Some are waiting to see how much their vote is worth.

Knut
by Knut Wicksell (b_didnn@hotmail.ca) on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 08:52:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can I have May 18?

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."
by CabinGirl on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:49:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sure.  I hope you win ;)
by maryb2004 on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:53:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Me too.  :)

I can't believe we have another 5 weeks to go here in PA..but I'm seeing the Obama folks out doing the oter registration thing in front of the library and at other social/public events.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:56:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by eagleye on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:46:10 PM EST
Florida Democrats drop idea of primary redo
State party had considered after national party refused to award delegates

and Michigan still pondering.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 07:24:08 PM EST
Shorter Bill Clinton:

We'll win, even though we lost.  Huzzah!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 11:04:51 PM EST
Pelosi had a good week. She was able to beat back FISA immunity, she skewered the fairy tale of a unity ticket and laid the blame at Clinton's feet, and then she pretty much said that the winner wins.

I think that's a good representation of what's going on behind closed doors in Democratic Partyland.

by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 11:36:29 PM EST
After whining, moaning, cheating, and complaining, she is now begging for the nomination?

Well, she can take her desperation for power and stuff it in her ears.  Or, she can move to Pakistan and join her bosom buddies the Bhuttos in their quest for the eternal presidency.  In America, nobody inherits power simply because of a name.

NO MORE DYNASTIES!!!!

NO more Clintons and NO more Bushes!

**EVER**

If she has to steal from her staffers, (See this eye-popping bit of financial wrong-doing:)

http://bluejersey.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=9813449AE0DED021B8BD56515A85568C?diaryId=7104

her campaign is running into such obvious financial difficulties that she won't be able to bribe enough super-delegates.  At least not with money.  There is always pork (let the populace pay) or extortion and blackmail.

Has Clinton mentioned plans to drag the Supreme Court into this mess if Florida and Michigan aren't seated?  Does Roberts owe her a favor?

I guess I'm in the 15% of the voters who feel that rules are rules.  The MI and FL broke their signed agreement and the states ought to pay the penalties.  Those delegates don't get seated.  Period.

And I don't feel a dab of pity no matter how frequently Clinton plays the victim card.  She's a lawyer and ought to be able to understand that her signature is a pledge of her honor... of which she has none left.

She broke her promise to Dodd.  She broke her pledge not to campaign in MI and FL, and she broke her oath to defend the Constitution.

No pity.

This isn't a matter of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation... it is a matter of character.  I will not vote for Clinton under any circumstances, and the sooner she gets out of the way, the sooner we can get to building up the Party so that we have enough of a majority to restore the Country.  There is a tremendous job of cleaning-up to do, and we'll need all that enthusiasm and energy brought in by new voters to scour out the corruption.

by hauksdottir on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 06:07:51 AM EST


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