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Tribal Conflict in America

by danps
Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 05:18:07 AM EST

Political discouse seems to have degraded recently and the real culprit may have nothing to so with current events.

For more on pruning back executive power see Pruning Shears.

There's been a question rattling around my brain for a while now:  Where have the Second Amendment champions been the last few years?  Those in favor of liberal gun ownership laws usually speak about it in abstract terms, most commonly harmony with the land and guarantees of liberty.  The first argument hasn't been seriously challenged, but what are their thoughts these days about checks against a tyrannical government?  Shouldn't the burgeoning surveillance state be anathema to them?  Isn't this the kind of issue they should be up in arms (har) about?  I would have thought the massive increases in spying and indiscriminate data sweeps would be an unsupportable infringement of their liberty.

The least charitable explanation is that they don't really believe all the high-flown language they spout - they really just like making big noises and blowing stuff up.  I don't buy it, though.  There are people like that in the world but not enough to sustain a movement.  It could be they don't really bother unless a physical intrusion is imminent.  If ATF agents are rolling towards your house it's time to man the barricades, but if the FBI is quietly vacuuming up every email and phone call it isn't such a big deal.  That seems possible, but I suspect if they are concerned enough to consider gun control an intolerable intrusion by the government they are also emphatically opposed to anything else that smacks of it.  Maybe they figure they've got their hands full with firearms rights and can't spare the effort elsewhere.  But that just leaves me with the nagging feeling that they know something really bad is happening and on balance are OK with it.  What causes a group to assent to a situation that goes against its core beliefs?  The only explanation that adds up is tribal loyalty.

It may be officially neutral on politics but firearms groups like the NRA have been largely associated with Republicans and the right wing for a long time (I know there are exceptions - I wrote "largely" not "entirely").  Political affiliation is a tribal membership, and those ties create a sense of identification that resides at a very basic level.  We typically think of tribal conflict as something that only happens in remote and undeveloped areas, but believing that blinds us to the fundamental ways we align with different groups.  And for the record I do not consider myself immune to it.  I think it explains a great deal of the contemporary political landscape.  In the case above it explains why a group might generally ignore a development that strikes at the very heart of one of its central concerns.  Loyalty to the tribe dictates a decorous silence until the presidency goes to a more palatable opponent.  We tend to dismiss such light treatment of ideals as hardball politics, but more accurately it's loyalty to the tribe.

M.J. Rosenberg wrote of Charles Krauthammer this week "[h]e believes that Israel must triumph in every situation because it is innately right while the Arabs are innately wrong", which is as nice a summary of tribal thinking as you will find.  James Carville compares Bill Richardson to Judas, Merrill McPeak compares Bill Clinton to Joseph McCarthy - these are coming from people in "camps" with clearly drawn boundaries, and they glare suspiciously out from them.  I don't think it's enough to say politics ain't beanbag and this is how the game is played.  It isn't just semantics - describing it as, say, overheated rhetoric instead of tribalism is extremely significant.  For one, it tends to minimize the intent of it and disguise the motivation behind it.  More importantly it keeps us from confronting how it drives our own actions, or from acknowledging when it prompts us to dismiss principles we claim to cherish.

Maybe I have been oblivious to it all my life, but it seems that the razor-thin and contested election in 2000 and terrorist attack the following year either created or revealed tribal identities that had gone unnoticed for a long time.  Many retreated into territories defined by politics and religion.  In this historic primary season it has happened again, now along racial and gender lines.  It isn't absolute by any means, just much more clearly marked.  All of it is driven by group identification, and in that sense it comes from a level too low to be reached by persuasion.  It may be dressed up in formal clothes, sober tones, a big vocabulary and impressive rationalizations, but much of the time what passes for dialog seems to come from some of our most primitive instincts.



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Welcome to the world of politics - which is largely about relationships rather than ideals, people rather than policies.  "We won't attack your surveillance if you don't try to take our guns" may well be the Faustian pact engaged in my the NRA.  Just wait and see how vociferously they will attack the "police state" if the Dems take the Presidency and do try to do something about gun control.  

You see big Government isn't about giving Billions to the Banks, it's about taking guns off the little people.  Surveillance is what we do to the other guys, and only becomes a problem if the other guys get into power - where they can do it to us.

America lives by good guys and bad guys, good and evil, where American's always get to wear the white hats - when shooting up the bad guys is the deal - Arabs, terrorists, liberals, communists, Europeans - WHATEVER - they're from the other tribe.

A liberal is someone who doesn't understand what side he's on.

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."

by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 06:53:01 AM EST
This reminds me of a tribal manifesto I read several years ago via (i think) Prometheus 6 — couldn't find original post, but here's An interesting article by Stanley Fish & two forms of Identity Politics: Tribal v. Interest.
by northanger on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 10:10:35 AM EST
Thanks for the link.  As Ecclesiastes says there is nothing new under the sun.  :)

The one point I'd make in light of Fish's post is that I'm not strictly talking about choosing a candidate and I tried to focus more on what it means when we act contrary to a stated principle.  Aside from that I pretty much repeated him (sigh).

by danps (dan at pruningshears_dot us) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 10:59:05 AM EST
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danps, I want you to know that I did not post that comment to be, in any way, critical of you. I really appreciate you blogging your thoughts. My understanding about the melting pot is that whatever "tribe" we come from, we all meet at one place: The American Constitution. Of course, things don't quite work that way and, "we act contrary to a stated principle". I recently started looking more closely at the Second Amendment. Can you imagine minorities joining the NRA, buying legal guns and permits to exercise their right to bear arms? fugettaboutit.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What if defining the battlespace is one way of interpreting the 2nd Amendment? Who, exactly, is supposed to decide when America fights? (and when it stops). Today we're in a "long war", a "war on terror" — a battlespace that is always everywhere including cyberspace and mediaspace. Someone once wrote... It is a war against being interested in anything else... a battle for space on the brain's hard drive.

When I started viewing the 2nd Amendment as a "right" I had as a Citizen, there was a huge shift in my thinking. Previously I'd view it in terms of Gun Control or right-wing politics. I'm a hippy, I don't want no gun! Maybe it's the struggle to understand the self-evident part of "We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident".

Because being an American Citizen is no longer self-evident.

by northanger on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 01:01:54 PM EST
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Speaking of that, a friend of mine is trying to foment a movement to change the "Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag" into the "Pledge of Allegiance to the Constitution." I think that's brilliant, and will make people question their own patriotism in a good way. What is the flag the symbol of, and has it become just a meaningless symbol, which the constitution can never be?

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 10:59:16 PM EST
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Real History Lisa, read RFK assassination on MSNBC this morning & your two links (wow). The Flag does seem to carry more meaning and weight than the Constitution in the political sphere. I'm thinking it works like a form of shorthand... like it's supposed to "stand in" for something. Am I wrong in thinking the Flag is a "coded" symbol? Trying to find a connection googled up Neo-Tribalism, Dunbar's number, Tribalism and Politics & American Democracy - why it SUCKS! (checking Zandar1's Global No-Confidence Vote series earlier, read: Race, Politics, and Everything: Three Little Words, mentioning "threatened tribalism" & eureka moment about US VERSUS THEM). Maybe the RFK-Tribal connection I'm trying to see involves RFK changing tribes, changing allegiances?

Paul Kahn's (who teaches constitutional & international law) War Powers and the Millennium (HTML|PDF), doesn't address "tribalism" directly, but I think he touches on some of the issues.

We live with an eighteenth century constitution in a twenty-first century world... We cannot say that the courts must continually adjust the Constitution to contemporary political and moral realities, any more than we can say that they must insist on a changeless constitution. We cannot say this because we harbor too many divisions over our own principles.
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We have no neutral way out of these conflicts over the path of the law because there is no line separating these disagreements over the content of the law from deeper conflicts over the nature of the rule of law itself. Our conflicts go directly to the place and meaning of law in our common life. For example, those who hold to an originalist view of constitutionalism argue from a vision of law that is deeply bound up with realizing a common meaning across generations. They understand the duties and meaning of citizenship within a legal framework that puts at its foundation the idea of maintaining the achievements of earlier generations and transmitting them to the future. They thrill to Lincoln's Gettysburg Address where he spoke of the achievement of the founding fathers and of the present as a test of endurance for the children of that generation; they read Burke on political culture as a project in the intergenerational transmission of meanings.6 Others, however, see this as rule by the dead hand of the past. They thrill to the ideas of populist democracy. Still others think of our law as the positive expression of a moral vision of rights, and of legal interpretation as the effort to realize the full meaning of such norms as equality, liberty, and due process.7

If this is true, we are not going to make much progress in understanding the constitutional provisions establishing Congress's war powers simply by adopting one or another interpretive stance. As in most of constitutional law, there is no neutral ground. Instead, there are multiple paths leading to multiple meanings. We cannot expect agreement, when in fact we are proceeding on principles of interpretation that are themselves deeply controverted. We should be clear on just how great our principled disagreements in this area are. We are at that point in our constitutional deliberations where the often repeated warning that the Constitution "is not a suicide pact"8 confronts an equal and opposite warning that "[e]xtraordinary conditions do not create or enlarge constitutional power."9 We are treading very close to ultimate values: values of national survival, on the one hand, and of the meaning of the American political order as a community under law, on the other. With such large stakes, there is a tendency to yield to intuition and moral sentiment. At that point, conflict threatens to become irresolvable.

This is from Max Weber's Politics As A Vocation:

In the past, the most varied institutions--beginning with the sib--have known the use of physical force as quite normal. Today, however, we have to say that a state is a human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory. Note that 'territory' is one of the characteristics of the state. Specifically, at the present time, the right to use physical force is ascribed to other institutions or to individuals only to the extent to which the state permits it. The state is considered the sole source of the 'right' to use violence. Hence, 'politics' for us means striving to share power or striving to influence the distribution of power, either among states or among groups within a state.

This corresponds essentially to ordinary usage. When a question is said to be a 'political' question, when a cabinet minister or an official is said to be a 'political' official, or when a decision is said to be 'politically' determined, what is always meant is that interests in the distribution, maintenance, or transfer of power are decisive for answering the questions and determining the decision or the official's sphere of activity. He who is active in politics strives for power either as a means in serving other aims, ideal or egoistic, or as 'power for power's sake,' that is, in order to enjoy the prestige-feeling that power gives.

Like the political institutions historically preceding it, the state is a relation of men dominating men, a relation supported by means of legitimate (i.e. considered to be legitimate) violence. If the state is to exist, the dominated must obey the authority claimed by the powers that be. When and why do men obey? Upon what inner justifications and upon what external means does this domination rest?

Kahn's paper also references Elaine Scarry's, War and the Social Contract: Nuclear Policy, Distribution, and the Right to Bear Arms. This is from her essay, Citizenship in Emergency:

When the U.S. Constitution was completed it had two provisions for ensuring that decisions about war-making were distributed rather than concentrated. The first was the provision for a congressional declaration of war--an open debate in both the House and the Senate involving what would today be 535 men and women. The second was a major clause of the Bill of Rights--the Second Amendment right to bear arms--which rejected a standing executive army (an army at the personal disposal of president or king) in favor of a militia, a citizen's army distributed across all ages, geography, and social class of men.25 Democracy, it was argued, was impossible without a distributed militia: self-governance was perceived to be logically impossible without self-defense (exactly what do you "self-govern" if you have ceded the governing of your own body and life to someone else?).

sorry for the long quotes!

by northanger on Sun Mar 30th, 2008 at 06:49:22 AM EST
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That is brilliant - I hope your friend gets lots of publicity.
by danps (dan at pruningshears_dot us) on Sun Mar 30th, 2008 at 07:56:47 AM EST
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