how weak is he going to look when the republicans go after him....if he doesnt go negative and use dirty tricks against mccain he might lose....and if he does he may be seen as an angry black man....would you encourage him to go negative against hillary, wait and go negative against mccain, or never go negative at all?

This joint ticket thingy. will. only. happen. over. Michelle's. dead. body. and mine. and ALL. Obama's supporters. Who wants to catch the Clintons' slime, sleaze and fleas?

I've found with every disappointment comes a blessing, not always visible in the moment. While we're hoping this would be over, let's not be distracted. It's the math. Obama has run a smart campaign. He knows what to do.

BUT, If he won't ask for her tax returns, we can and yes we will. Make it a ground swell.

  Andrew Sullivan has a pointed editorial summary of March 4th. I hope he does not mind my lengthy quote. In essence, 'Yes, the road show must go on because Clintons' egos demand it.'

Yes He Can

From Kos's counting, the night barely changes anything in the delegate math. Clinton wins Ohio 73 - 68 and Rhode Island 12 to 8. Obama wins Vermont 9 to 6 and wins Texas by 99 to 94 (because his narrow loss in the primaries is offset by a lop-sided win in the caucuses). These numbers may change a little as full caucus results come in, but not by much. Once all the dust has cleared, Obama's delegate lead remains. RCP has it at 1542 for Obama and 1447 for Clinton. [.]

But the show must go on, because the Clintons' egos demand it, and because as long as Obama has not crossed the magic line definitively, the destiny of the Clintons to run America for sixteen years must always be pursued. Ask Sid Blumenthal why. It's also vital for the Clintons psychologically to undermine Obama's appeal. He represents a systematic rebuke of their style of politics, their tactics and their worldview. If they can manage to damage him enough, even if he wins the nomination, their own sense of their own historical importance will be assuaged.

 Maybe they can damage him enough to ensure that McCain beats him in the fall. That would, at some level, satisfy them. To be beaten in a Democratic primary is bad enough; but if their opponent goes on to win the presidency, it would be unbearable for them, close to an indictment. That is what is fueling them: the terror of an Obama presidency and history re-written with Clinton as a minor footnote in the minor 1990s.

Obama supporters should not be dismayed.

Obama has a tougher, nastier opponent in the Clintons than he does in McCain. If he wins this by a long, grueling struggle, he will be more immune to the lazy, stupid criticism that he is some kind of flash in the pan, he has more opportunity to prove that there is a great deal of substance behind the oratory, he has more of a chance to meet and talk with the electorate he will need to win in the fall.

I think the argument for Obama is easily strong enough to withstand the egos of the Clintons. The more people see that her case is almost entirely a fear-based one and his is almost entirely a positive one, the more he will win the moral victory as well as the delegate count. In the cold light of day, the bruising news that the Clintons are not yet dead seems less onerous.

Know hope.

good advice, that.

The Clintons are on track to lose; if not the nomination, the general election. The Clintons fail to realize that their future is greatly diminished. HRC can't return to the Senate with her head held high.

 I still hold Barack will the next president of the U.S.A.  


Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

And frankly, having Clinton as veep does not guarantee that she won't be appointing anyone. In the unlikely event she was to accept the compromise, you can be sure that there would be some major strings attached, and since no one has made any serious effort to repudiate Cheney's fourth branch of government theory, I wouldn't count on the vice-presidency being as neutered as it used to be.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

what if obama is on a downward slide?

what if the hillary campaign and the press are about to throw everything the republicans will eventually throw at obama...arent you interested in seeing how that plays out? if he cant handle it from a dem how can he handle it from a repub? i'd like to give him an opportunity to handle it.

there are quite a few arguments to be made for hillary on top of the ticket. outside of fringe left land people arent so concerned about the inner workings of the dem party and all the reasons a lot of people in fringe left land dont want to vote for hillary....they just worry about who will make sure they arent worse off financially 4 years from now and who will give them a sense of security. as this process progresses we are seeing more issue oriented discussion and awareness and less inspirational speech likability...the electorate is better served the longer this goes on.

a lot of people are looking forward to their votes actually counting this time around...i think this will only bring more people into the process....whats bad about that?

dont you think there is an argument there that hillary won almost all of those states? i mean doesnt that give you pause?

My sympathies on being in a mixed relationship ;)

they are virtually tied it seems...the only way either wins before the convention is if the other concedes.

im very interested in seeing how obama does in pa.

i find it sexist.

lets all highlight hillary's giddiness and obamas blackness.

id rather talk about what they have accomplished and what their plans for the future are.

Exactly. As of today, Hillary has ensured that the next President of the USA will be one of two people: Obama or McCain. And she's also made it clear that she'll do her damnedest to make sure it isn't Obama. Her campaign's already subtly praising McCain and hinting that he's a better choice than Obama. Imagine how that's going to look for her in November if she's on the ticket!

just like when obama takes on his face southern accent and does a little jive in front of AA audiences and people start pointing this out....thats racism.

the democrats are pulling twice as many people to the primaries in every state as the republicans....the economy is tanking....the war (which hillary along with 75% of americans supported) isnt going well.

i think either candidate can beat mccain....unless something bad happens like a terrorist attack or some wild crazy thing coming up in either dems past....either can win.

The thing that kills me the most is that all this time, I've seen Obama supporters willfully admit that there are things about Obama that they do not like.  You'll never see Hillbots doing that.  Blind loyalty, even though a year ago some of these same people were saying how they'd never vote for her.  They buy the lie that she has experience or knowledge on anything, they buy the lie that the media is harsh on her, they buy the lie that people who don't vote for her are sexist.  It's crazy-making, tiring and fucking hilarious at once.

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