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In Defense of Hillary (really!)

by eodell
Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 05:09:47 PM EST

I'd like to think that our side -- by which I mean Obama supporters, not the larger our side of the Democratic left -- would be above saying the kind of stupid things that their side -- the "their side" of our side, Clinton supporters -- have a habit of saying. If I did think that, I'd be wrong.

Over at HuffPo, Flavia Colgan writes about the recent flap regarding Bill Clinton's shady dealings on behalf of Colombia's neo-fascist government.

I would expect, and even welcome, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton arguing about policy behind closed doors. It can only help the senator form a more informed, wise position on critical issues. [...] At some point, when Sen. Clinton claims she was trying to defeat the Colombian free trade deal, Bill Clinton must have told her that he was planning on making some money to promote the deal, and helping the Colombian president deflect attention from his offensive record. What did Sen. Clinton tell the former president at that point?

Fair enough. It's not a bad thing for the Clintons to disagree, but it is a bad thing if they really do agree and Hillary Clinton is deceiving us. But then Colgan goes off into la-la land.

Whatever the case, this is problematic. In this critical time, we cannot afford to have a president who says one thing, while the first spouse publicly works towards an opposite end. Sen. Clinton must better explain to voters why the former president goes off on his own like this, and how she will better control him if she should find herself in the Oval Office.

Excuse me? Despite popular belief -- for which we have, ironically, the Clintons to blame -- the role of first spouse is not a government office, and it has absolutely no official role or statutory recognition. Being married to the president carries with it some traditional expectations but no actual obligations. And we can safely assume that a First Gentleman pretty much does away with traditional expectations, can't we?

Colgan's concern about the honesty and candidness of Hillary Clinton is fully warranted in this case, but if elected president, Hillary has no more obligation -- or right -- to control Bill than, say, Jimmy Carter had any obligations with respect to his wacky brother Billy or any other relative. (We leave aside for the moment the question of whether Hillary can control Bill.) If Bill is involved in business that could be influenced by a hypothetical President Hillary Clinton, then we ought rightly to insist on some transparency, but Bill can do whatever the hell he wants. He would be no more constrained by his wife's presidency than you are I would be.

Now I know that the three ring circus of Clinton family buffoonery is often an irresistable spectacle, but can we please rise to the occasion (and above the opposition) and focus on the issues? At the end of the day, it's what Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama do and say that matters -- not whatever their spouses are doing within the limits of the same laws that apply to everyone else.



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Excuse me? Despite popular belief -- for which we have, ironically, the Clintons to blame -- the role of first spouse is not a government office, and it has absolutely no official role or statutory recognition. Being married to the president carries with it some traditional expectations but no actual obligations. And we can safely assume that a First Gentleman pretty much does away with traditional expectations, can't we?

Except, with the Clintons they've billed themselves as a co-presidency. Always. Going back to 1992...when Hillary was tasked with the Healthcare program. Recall that?

 And in this cycle they've led supporters to believe; vote Hillary get Bill. What will First Gentleman be doing?  Certainly not serving crumpets and tea?

On second thought, hold your answer...let's not go there.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 05:29:41 PM EST
I haven't seen nearly as much "package deal" talk from Hillary as I did from Bill back in '92. In fact, I can't think of a specific example from this time around. That doesn't mean I didn't miss something -- I often do -- but if anything, it seems as if Hillary is guilty more of not explicitly dismissing the notion than actively promoting it.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?
by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 05:48:34 PM EST
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I like this Ambinder commentary in The Current-The Atlantic:

The Clinton Legacy

Bill Clinton's blunders on the campaign trail have tarnished his reputation as a political virtuoso.

After he made yet another campaign-trail blunder, Hillary Clinton has told her husband to back off. Many in the Democratic party, even those in Bill's corner, would like him to back off, too. The debate about his political legacy is effectively over, and no one but a handful of prominent Democrats will argue that his presidency was salutary for the Democratic party.

[.]We've seen his bad side -- temper tantrums, parochialism, arrogance, promiscuity with the facts -- and none of his good side.

His post-presidency cocoon, gilded in no small part by the American taxpayer, seems to have left him ill-prepared for the modern news cycle. He's certainly no longer his party's best political strategist.



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 07:37:04 PM EST
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