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by BooMan
Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:46:27 PM EST

It's been a full week now that Obama has held a roughly 9 point advantage in the national polls. Maybe we should do all the primaries over again now that people know both candidates a little better. Would that be okay with the Clintons?



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I made an lolhillary.

Just wanted to share that.

by Renee in Ohio on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 06:55:28 PM EST
where is that photo from?
by BooMan on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 06:57:28 PM EST
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Found it as part of a slide show here.
by Renee in Ohio on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 07:29:46 PM EST
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oh. my. god.

She really did shots?

To be one of the boys?  Did she learn nothing in college? Or at least in law school?

btw - that Mayor McDermott looks like a guy who regularly convinces women to do shots. Notice that he's not drinking. Just watching.  And smiling. ;)

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 07:46:20 PM EST
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Not just shots.  Wimpy Canadian Moose Urine Shots.

Who does hard partying with Crown Royal?  If this doesn't cost her Kentucky, it'll be a damned shame.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:37:15 PM EST
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heh. Excellent point.  I would have chosen Maker's Mark myself.  

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:38:35 PM EST
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Isn't Crown Royal Canadian?

Yes, Makers Mark would have been a better choice.

by RandyH on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:54:46 PM EST
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Maker's Mark, Wild Turkey, Jim Beam, JD.  Hell, Scotch would've been fine, if she'd wanted to do the sophisticated foreign thing.  But not the watered-down Canadian stuff, for God's sake.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:14:21 PM EST
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LOL, Drew!!!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 12:58:23 AM EST
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see what I mean?

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 07:54:30 PM EST
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Yep, he's probably collecting his $50.00 dollars in bets with all his frat buddies..that he could get Hillary to shots..
by americanforliberty on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:23:51 PM EST
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I'll drink to that.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:08:29 PM EST
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Silly thought. Hillary Clinton is a reverse Fannee Doolee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fECbF_j_iJ4
by Renee in Ohio on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:18:53 AM EST
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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:49:30 PM EST
Annie Oakley.  I love it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:16:00 PM EST
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that was an amazing performance.
by BooMan on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:32:38 PM EST
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I'll say. Listening to this guy is like a cool drink of water after a walk across the desert.

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 11:28:53 PM EST
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Clinton's are distributing "We're not bitter" bumper stickers but "Bitters" is playing well in Obama's favor.

Pass me a pint of bitters as the Brits would say. I like mine warm.

Political Scientist step forward: - TPM

Hillary was for it, Before She Was Against It

Theda Skocpol writes in ...

    I have been in meetings with the Clintons and their advisors where very clinical things were said in a very-detached tone about unwillingness of working class voters to trust government -- and Bill Clinton -- and about their unfortunate (from a Clinton perspective) proclivity to vote on life-style rather than economic issues. To see Hillary going absolutely over the top to smash Obama for making clearly more humanly sympathetic observations in this vein, is just amazing. Even more so to see her pretending to be a gun-toting non-elite. Give us a break!

    I wonder if she realizes that gaining a few days of lurid publicity that might reach a slice of voters is going to cost her a great deal in the regard of many Democrats, whose strong support she will need if she somehow claws her way to the nomination -- and even more so if she does not clinch the nomination. The distribution of "we're not bitter" stickers to her campaign rallies is the height of over-the-top crudity, and the reports are that very few audience members seem to have much enthusiasm for this nonsense. Not surprisingly, people cannot see the reasons for so much fuss.

Damm.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 07:20:18 PM EST
Good ol' bitters.  I miss having my daily pint "down the pub."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:38:05 PM EST
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Hillary losing her core supporters:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/33411.html

In that article Clinton's campaign cannot counter Obama's media barrage which may be a reference to her financial problems.

by americanforliberty on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 07:38:16 PM EST
Yeah, as soon as she loses Edith Bunker it's all over. (OK, Archie was almost certainly a Republican, but I'm betting Edith had her rebellious side once she was behind that curtain.)

Of course there was the episode of All In The Family where Archie went out to vote, only to find out that it had been so long since he voted that his name fell off the rolls. So I guess he was really a member of the Silent Majority. :)

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:48:41 PM EST
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by idredit on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 07:47:56 PM EST
The Compassion Forum (whatever that is) is on and Hillary has a lovely yellow jacket and scarf.  She looks great in yellow.  

Looks like Obama is wearing a purple tie.  Interesting choice.  

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:50:02 PM EST
Anything happening to make it worth turning on the TV?

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:53:33 PM EST
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Obama just quoted scripture to show that 'clinging' to faith is a GOOD thing.   That was a smart move.

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:55:33 PM EST
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Just saw that.

We were watching a Monty Python dvd with the kids, and just now turned on the forum.

I didn't know that they would be speaking one at a time. I'm glad, though.

by Renee in Ohio on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:59:54 PM EST
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He's doing well on these abortion questions, but I'm finding them annoying.   Who cares if he believes that life begins at conception in the greater scheme of things?

I didn't see most of Hillary's segment so I don't know what they asked her.

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:02:55 PM EST
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Apparently McCain was also invited, but declined.
by Renee in Ohio on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:24:48 PM EST
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That's interesting.  I wonder why.  He must have thought it was a no-win situation for him.  Interesting that the Republican doesn't show up at a faith forum and the 2 Democrats do.

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:28:39 PM EST
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He cited scheduling conflicts, but his schedule showed no activity planned for tonight.

This crowd probably would have asked embarrassing questions like how he could be a Southern Baptist who hadn't been immersed.

by Joyful Alternative on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:19:07 PM EST
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A torture question!

We have to be clear and unequivocal - we do NOT torture.  That should be our position.  That includes renditions.  We don't farm out torture; we don't subcontract torture.  Not only does torture not yield good information but it degrades the discipline and ethos of the military.  Hard when you have 19 year old kids in Iraq making life or death situations and are being asked to operate within the law and then to find out that the government isn't abiding by the laws we are asking them to defend, is indefensible.

We will lead not just with military might but with our values and ideals.  

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:36:11 PM EST
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And did any of our lovely talking heads mention one damn thing about it? Nooo! More horse race, please.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:45:20 PM EST
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Ok something was just became clear to me.  Towards the end, in connection with a question on global warming, Obama said, as an aside, "And I think Al Gore won".   I couldn't figure out why he threw that in.

Well in an earlier response, Hillary had said that Al Gore lost because he was viewed as elitist and out of touch.  

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 11:33:47 PM EST
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It's the whole thing about perception. Obama again showed that Hillary was operating with Republican perceptions. Gore did win. Bush stole the election with the help of a Supreme Court that stopped the vote-counting. But H. Clinton surrenders to Republican  Reality. It's like the story early in the race, where the Clinton campaign's answer to the last eight years would be to send Clinton I and Bush I together on a world tour. The rose-colored glasses that Hillary wears in the duck blind are Republican glasses. That is all you need to know why Clinton is not your candidate.
by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:06:34 AM EST
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Someone asked him to explain the "I don't want [my daughters] punished for a mistake" thing.

Only some flippin' wingnuts would fulminate about that--and then quietly take their daughter/wife/mistress to take care of things, because you know, their situation is different.

In the real world, loving parents wouldn't want to see their daughters punished for a mistake, either.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:58:37 PM EST
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The whole forum was bizarre.  I mean ... starting with the fact that Campbell Brown was the moderator.  Why?  Because she's so compassionate?  Doesn't CNN have a Faith Reporter or somebody qualified?  Then they get into the hypothetical sex lives of his pre-pubescent daughters?   Did George Bush have to talk about Jenna and Barbara's sex lives?  Did the Clintons have to hypothesize about Chelsea's sex life?

I can see having an interview with a candidate about faith.  Or even a forum that's just questions from the audience.  But the whole gotcha aspect of the CNN moderators seemed completely out of sync with a forum on faith and compassion

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by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:18:42 PM EST
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Someone asked him to explain the "I don't want [my daughters] punished for a mistake" thing.

You know, I swear sometimes he says that sort of thing just to have a little fun with the wingers.  It really drives that small group that'd never vote for him absolutely insane.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:24:13 PM EST
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He is so good. God I love to hear him talk about the world in non-black and white terms. I'm so sick of those false dichotomies.

Btw - lost my election bid to be delegate, but I did phenomenally well for someone who joined the campaign "late" (January) and has mostly participated in small volunteer events where few people have met me.

We had 30 seconds each to make our pitch. Whatever I said - and it's truly a bit of a blur - I brought down the house. Several people said they'd vote for me after that. Other candidates came and shook my hand, as if I'd be someone to know. And some guy from the state Democratic party gave me his card and said something about having to loop me into some committees or something. I was too tired to parse this, and I'm way too tired to write it up now, but the whole experience was fascinating and very positive and after I recover, i want to share!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:02:06 AM EST
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I'm sorry you lost, you would have been a great delegate.  

Help me raise money for Jay Nixon, the next Democratic governor of Missouri
by maryb2004 on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:20:57 AM EST
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Thanks much, Mary.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 09:40:50 AM EST
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If you spoke like you write, then you must have given a damned good little speech.
by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:09:16 AM EST
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Looks like Obama is wearing a purple tie.

Here, again, as I said with my comment below: He's just having a little fun with the wingers.  You just know somewhere in Hell Jerry Falwell's losing it, now convinced Obama is a flaming homosexual.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:27:20 PM EST
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Actually, I think he wore it to match the United Steelworkers banner in the Annie Oakley video and then didn't change it for the forum.

Help me raise money for Jay Nixon, the next Democratic governor of Missouri
by maryb2004 on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:38:47 PM EST
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But did she really say that her Dad taught her how to shoot, and then when a reporter tried to follow up, she dismissed it and said she'd talk about it later?

And did she really say, when asked about church attendance, I attended church on Easter, so?

Ohhhh...so she's a "CME Christian": Christmas, Mother's Day and Easter.

Heh. But seriously...she just HAD to open her mouth, right? Dumb ass. Who is she, Mitt Romney?

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:43:48 PM EST
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no Romney shoots rodents and keeps dogs in a carrier on the roof of his car.  totally different.
by BooMan on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:47:39 PM EST
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Oh...right. I must remember.

So varmint did shoot 'em up Hill practice on?

First sniper fire, now she's a hunter. Please make it stop.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 12:10:15 AM EST
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Looking for something else, I found this over at CNN's Political Ticker:

"We have been working very hard to make it clear that we have millions of Democrats who are church going and gun-owning," [Clinton] said. "And we are tired of having Republicans, or frankly our own Democrats, give any ammunition to Republicans because what happens then is Republicans take advantage of the situation."

Do you suppose that applies to attacks on fellow Democratic candidates? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:56:40 PM EST
I'm going to start calling her campaign the 'Memento Campaign' after that cool movie-where the hero had a medical problem in that he could not remember from almost one minute to the next what he had said/who he had just met, etc.  Looks like Hillary is just saying stuff with no rhyme or reason as to what she may have said previously and starting to sound more and more like bush in that respect.  She seems absolutely tone deaf to her own remarks.

Did she really say that, well yeah but she can say tomorrow that she simply misspoke, move along everyone and onto the next misspeak.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:13:35 PM EST
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Hey if we started over they could include Michigan and Florida.  And could we put at least Richardson and Edwards back in?

Have I ever told you about my poor memory?
by ignorant bystander on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:29:38 PM EST
After the primaries. I suppose Obama will be the nominee. How will the Clintons react and act? Will they really just turn around, smile and pat Obama on the back after all the nastiness, increasing nastiness we're witnessing? It's hard to imagine that they could sincerely wish the Democratic Party well. They give me (I get) the feeling I had about Karl Rove, still do: there is still a rabbit which will be pulled out of the hat. Maybe I'm paranoid, at the least fearful. This morning the BBC World Service told me that Clinton and/or Obama was asked if it was god's will that they become president. Interestingly, according to the report, they were both hoping to do god's will. God has an opinion about the U.S. election? Is that in the bible somewhere? Is all this monumentally stupid and vain, arrogant, or am I just an ignorant moron? You tell me.
by Quentin on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 03:12:01 AM EST
They will take their pity party and go home.  After the nastiness of the last couple of months, does anyone want Bill or Hillary on the campaign trail?  NO!!!

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow
by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 03:43:51 AM EST
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Is that in the bible somewhere? Is all this monumentally stupid and vain, arrogant, or am I just an ignorant moron?

Christians believe that God is concerned about and involved in everything. Consider:

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Matthew 6:25-33

That does not constitute or even imply anything close to a theocracy:

Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?"

"Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?"

"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?"

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

John 18:33-36

Even though we understand His concern to extend to the government:

Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe and went up to him again and again, saying, "Hail, king of the Jews!" And they struck him in the face.

Once more Pilate came out and said to the Jews, "Look, I am bringing him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him." When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, "Here is the man!"

As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, "Crucify! Crucify!"

But Pilate answered, "You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him."

The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."

When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, and he went back inside the palace. "Where do you come from?" he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. "Do you refuse to speak to me?" Pilate said. "Don't you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?"

Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."

From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jews kept shouting, "If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar."

When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge's seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour.

"Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.

But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!"

"Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked.

"We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.

Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.

John 19:1-16

So it is only natural for a Christian - or someone who wants to appeal to the votes of Christians - to say that they hope to do God's will.

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 04:53:45 AM EST
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Quentin, I lived through the 60s and 70s. The moral of those decades was if you couldn't assassinate populists then assassinate their character. It seems that the H. Clinton campaign hasn't been able to assassinate Obama's character even after trying to assassinate the character of everyone around him. I would just warn Barack to be careful when driving past duck blinds where that woman in camo is knocking back shots of Crown Royal.
by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:19:06 AM EST
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Great. Now I can rest assured that either Clinton or Obama will accept the will of god and then god's will will will the presidency of McSame. And any one who might not be satisfied with god's will will be wrong. It is because it is. That's what I've always thought anyway, so I can now close up shop.
by Quentin on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 07:26:07 AM EST
I add: I'm a U.S. person living in Europe. Probably a majority of politicians here would consider themselves christian if asked directly. They don't generally go around gratuitously volunteering the details of their private lives. Mr. Blain is a major exception. I would be hard put to imagine many of them saying:

'So it is only natural for a Christian - or someone who wants to appeal to the votes of Christians - to say that they hope to do God's will.'

There's nothing natural about it, which doesn't mean I find it unnatural.

by Quentin on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 07:38:15 AM EST
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I keep hearing conflicting information on the dinner that Bush is having while the Pope is visiting.  One the one hand I read in various blogosphere locations that the Pope is snubbing Bush by not attending the dinner in his honor.  But coming in to work today and ABC news report said that it's customary for the Pope to not attend state dinners.

Which is it?  I'm not really a follower of the Pope's itineraries when he has traveled in the past.

Is it a snub or not?

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 08:03:23 AM EST


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