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Do Me a Favor on The Torture

by BooMan
Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 11:46:57 PM EST

I am going to make an unusual request. Last Friday, the President of the United States admitted that he knew and approved of his National Security Committee holding 'Principals Meetings' where various forms of 'enhanced interrogation techniques' were choreographed and authorized. A 'Principals Meeting' of the National Security Council is the highest level meeting in the U.S. Government. They are chaired by the National Security Adviser (in this case, Condoleeza Rice, but in prior administrations people like Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, and Sandy Berger). Other attendees usually include the vice-president, the secretaries of State and Defense, the Attorney General, and the CIA Director.

The 'enhanced interrogation techniques' that were approved involved torture including, but by no means limited to, Water Torture (waterboarding). Mistreatment of prisoners quickly spread beyond the narrow scope of these original meetings (as you can see here).

It is an unprecedented development for the President of the United States to admit authorizing the torture of human beings held at the mercy of the U.S. Government. Even more startling has been the refusal of most media outlets to cover this admission. But the silence has not been total. Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post has written about this news and about the way the media (both local and national) has covered it. And I want you to send a link to his article to everyone you know so that it can go as viral as we can make it go.

Froomkin details the president's admission and his casual dismissal of the moral and national security complications of his action.

Bush: "...And, yes, I'm aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved. I don't know what's new about that; I'm not so sure what's so startling about that."

To be clear, the president is telling us that he approved of torturing human beings (although he calls it something else) and that he can't figure out what is so startling about it because it's old news. Except, it isn't old news at all. It's brand-spanking new news not only that he approved it, but that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Tenet, and other high ranking officials got down into precise details about how the torture was going to be implemented on a case by case basis.

I want you to send this link to your whole mailbox because it's one of the few mainstream media outlets to cover the facts of this case rather than ignore them. And we have to do something about it.

My friend Will Bunch of the Philly Daily News had the privilege to ask Barack Obama about these revelations in an interview tonight.

The question was inspired by a recent report by ABC News, confirmed by the Associated Press, that high-level officials including Vice President Dick Cheney and former Cabinet secretaries Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld, among others, met in the White House and discussed the use of waterboarding and other torture techniques on terrorism suspects.

I mentioned the report in my question, and said "I know you've talked about reconciliation and moving on, but there's also the issue of justice, and a lot of people -- certainly around the world and certainly within this country -- feel that crimes were possibly committed" regarding torture, rendition, and illegal wiretapping. I wanted to know how whether his Justice Department "would aggressively go after and investigate whether crimes have been committed."

Here's his answer, in its entirety:

    What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.

    So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing between really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it."

That's a prudential answer to Will Bunch's question. But the answer to Obama's question about 'distinguishing between really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity' is that a conspiracy to commit torture is unambiguously in the latter category. What is needed is for the public to get this information. That is why I want you to send everyone the link because people are not getting this information. Most media outlets and most congresspersons are far too gutless or uncomfortable to even contemplate the moral stain this represents for our country. Our entire national security establishment engaged in an criminal conspiracy to deny human beings their human rights and subject them to inhumane and criminal mistreatment.

People can make up their own mind if there were mitigating circumstances, but not until they have the information that this happened at all.



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I was even going to blog on it tomorrow.  It's stunning to me that we're babbling about whether or not people are bitter, yet the POTUS just admitted to a crime and no one cares.  

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 01:56:33 AM EST
Yes,

'Most media outlets and most congresspersons are far too gutless or uncomfortable to even contemplate the moral stain this represents for our country. Our entire national security establishment engaged in an criminal conspiracy to deny human beings their human rights and subject them to inhumane and criminal mistreatment.'

I'd add that most media and congresspersons deeply don't care or even think that the whole thing was and is a good idea. And as for the conspiracy, I'd say that many of those same organizations and people are passively, if not actively, complicit. We can mention the bulk of the U.S. population to boot.

When will someone ask Mrs. Clinton (maybe even Mr. Clinton and their daughter) as well as McSame the  question put to Obama?

by Quentin on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 03:44:07 AM EST
You can't win an election on the "payback" ticket. However, this is a very positive approach from my standpoint.

Of course, a lot depends on the Attorney General. I've always favored Edwards (although would have been more excited about him as presidential candidate, with absolutely no hesitation about Obama.) Edwards simply won't back down. He'll go through the evidence like a bulldog. And I'm sure he'll find what is there.

Michaela

by michaelmt (MrMichael_t@yahoo.com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 07:04:06 AM EST
I'd like to point out another reason this is critical-
an entire generation of young people is growing up thinking this is OK, that it's just the way the world works.  If we don't stop it now- in no uncertain terms- it'll become mainstream.

I hear the nonchalance from High School students weekly.

by Tehanu on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 07:43:45 AM EST
People need to really read this one also: This Is Not Torture (there was a dKos diary, years ago, that had drawings. Horrific. Does anyone remember that one?).

Digg: Bush OK'd Torture Meetings

by northanger on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:21:51 AM EST
yeah, I actually linked to that in the body of this story.
by BooMan on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:33:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I know you did... that one just won't leave my brain. y'know?
by northanger on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:39:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thank you Booman.  This is our moment.  Even though we're not ready for it, we must never relent.  No surrender and don't ever despair.  Unity comes slowly.

I'll send this off to everyone I know.  First they'll say  "There she goes again."  Eventually most will agree with me.

Tehanu is right - this is the world we have created through action and inaction.

by Alice on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 08:49:28 AM EST
I sent out emails and blogged about the issue.
I also called Bob Casey's office about it: they were pretty nonchalant.

No point in calling Pelosi and complaining: the woman's about as useful as the pope's testicles.  
Instead I linked to Shirley Golub, who's challenging Pelosi.

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 09:50:35 AM EST
that the American public is too busy on their GD Blackberries to notice. Save impeachment for really, really bad things? Like what? Torture is not a crime? Since when? What will it take to bring these asswipes to justice? More than sending a link to our friends. Congress doesn't evewn want to consider impeachment because of the way it will make them look?!
by NancyImpeachBush on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 11:14:25 AM EST
yup.
nobody cares except a small handful of us, who no one listens to anyway.

It's enough to make you suicidal.

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 11:40:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama doesn't want to prejudge the evidence but he's against impeachment?  Sounds like prejudging to me and it sounds like he's putting his fingers on the side of the scales that helps the war criminals.  Give me a break.  There is more than enough evidence to start impeachment proceedings and at the very least an investigation is warranted.  Why isn't Congress even investigating these crimes and the crimes of spying on Americans without warrants?  Democrats are COWARDS--that's why.  They are almost as bad as the Republicans that engaged in and advocated that the U.S. engage in torture.  The Democrats enabled these monsters by not doing anything to stop them.  Cowardly traitors.  I'm so sick of these cowards and their babbling petty partisan little popularity contest.  Look!  Over there!  There's an annoying popularity contest between what passes for a "hip" black guy and a tired out-of-date baby boomer woman.  

Nothing will change until we hold people accountable.  The only person we currently have any power over is Obama.  They should probably go to jail based on what we now know.  But Obama will lead the Democratic party.  Why is he sweeping crimes under the table?  Why is he siding with war criminals and monsters that torture?  Obama is not as culpable as Bush and his criminal gang--but he's culpable for taking the easy route and looking the other way.  He has more than enough evidence to call for a criminal investigation or ask for articles of impeachment.  Anyone who is scared of going this route is a moral coward that lacks the courage of his convictions and lacks the courage to do the right thing.  

We should withhold our support from ANY politician that does not want to get to the bottom of the U.S. torture regime.  I will not vote for Obama unless he calls for impeachment proceedings and/or a special prosecutor.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:22:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Impeachment is a trial.  How do you expect Obama to judge a case before it is even brought up.

This is ridiculous.  Want to change thing.  Impeacment will take a year.  

In the mean time, you can get a Democratic President and Senate and bigger majority in the House.

That is what is important.

We don't have enough votes for even a timeline to get out of Iraq.  And you think they have the votes for impeachment.

BTW.  Thank You Booman for real activism.  We want to see more like this and damn right I will pound the media.

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain

by skeeters2525 on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 05:33:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
'Sfunny, before 9/11/01, Richard Clarke couldn't bjy a principals meeting on terrorism for any money.  But the principals and the principals' principal (i.e., the Prez hisself) has loads fo time for meetings to authorize (and act out) torture.  
by sdangerfield (sdangerfield@juno.com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:11:23 PM EST
Yes.  One should be careful of what one wishes for.  Eh?    We are much better off with a disengaged Bush.  
by SFHawkguy on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:25:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And to think that many of the detainees were just picked up off the street, kind of randomly, and subjected to the full fury and force of the American military machine addicted as it is to all kinds of sinister "enhancement techniques." This is an unspeakable travesty of the American values of justice and fair play.

Yes, I have been e-mailing stuff to my entire mailbox on this torture business.  Yes, I will continue to blog and write and agitate against these horrible practices.  Yes, I will try to awaken Americans to the storm clouds that swirl around our civilization. Yes, I will try not to despair but it is becoming so difficult even to hope.  My heart tells me to keep working, my brain says it's just about over as this nation quietly drowns in a sea of its own selfish and apathetic consumerism.

 What was Bush's recommendation to the people of the United States at the time of 9/11?  Things will be fine if you just go shopping.

From such utter idiocies, countries collapse and cultures crumble into decay and oblivion.  Bush may be not only our worst president but, alas, our last one.

The neo-conservative political philosophy is pathological:  it represents Darwinism in reverse.

 

All members of the frog pond are special.

by Ignod on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 12:13:20 PM EST


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